JeremyC Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I'm currently repainting a Hornby MK1 composite into Blood and Custard. The lining for this livery is gold and black and I'm wondering what paint/colour to use for the gold line. Looking at a Bachmann Mk1 it looks as if they've used a tan colour. Thanks Jeremy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GC Jack Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Hi if it was me I would use Fox transfers. I think that the colour was described as "old gold" so that would imply a darker colour than bright gold paint. I think Precision paints do the correct colour. Jack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Railway were fond of using the word gold when in fact it was a paint mixed to resemble gold. A bright colour it wasn't. On the modelling front, you could use Humbrol Cream No.7 and Humbrol yellow No.69 mixed 50/50. If you are using a draughtsmans ruling pen, let the new tins of paint settle before pouring off the oil into a spare container. Then stir the 'putty' that is left and pour in small amounts of the oil until the paint flows out of your bow pen and stays put without spreading out of control. Then mix the two colours together. Finally add a very small touch of black to distress the colour. This same lining colour can also be used for BR maroon. I happen to used cellulose paint mixed to match the above colour. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edcayton Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 You make it sound SOOO easy Larry! Ed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GC Jack Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 You make it sound SOOO easy Larry! Ed I agree but Larry is the real business. I have struggled with lining pens. I did get fairly good results with the Bob Moor pen but the lines are a bit thick. I understand that a Rotoring pen can do the job, anyone with any experience of this? Jack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Rotring pens were designed to use ink (definitely not paint) and came in as a convenient replacements for bow-pens. The latter had to be set to a given line width whereas Rotring pens came in a wide variety of line widths. I suspect they arrived a bit late in the day for drawing offices and the like. They in turn came under threat from the various PC drawing programmes. I made minor use of the finer Rotring pens together with 'T' etching ink for black lining on Southern Railway full panelled livery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GC Jack Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Thanks for that my father was a technical illustrator and he used them a lot. Jack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 When I was in Calico Printers drawing office (Designs Reproduction) we used mapping pens and bow pens. A constant line width ruled above all else. The Rotring would have been beneficial but the office closed before technology caught up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meil Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 When I was in Calico Printers drawing office (Designs Reproduction) we used mapping pens and bow pens. A constant line width ruled above all else. The Rotring would have been beneficial but the office closed before technology caught up. Heck - that must have been a very long time ago. I've been in the buisness for 40 years and have always used Rotring pens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Hi Meil, 1958-9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyC Posted February 10, 2011 Author Share Posted February 10, 2011 Lining using a bow pen is a technique I've been trying to master recently. Thanks to Coachman for the advice re paint mixing and consistency; I've been having trouble with the line spreading. Jeremy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meil Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Hi Meil, 1958-9. Actually the drawing pens I liked the best were the Pelikan Graphos pens as you could easily clean the replaceable nibs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
multiprinter Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Back in the dark ages (or the 1980s as some refer to them) I used Rotring pens with Precision or Humbrol paints for lining and they worked fairly well provided the paint was the right consistency. However the plastic parts of the pen didn't last too long - I suspect the thinners used for cleaning got to it. I forget now which sizes I used but the line width was mainly dictated by the paint anyway. They were also easy to use with gouache but this was only an option on matt or near matt surfaces - from memory, I think I mainly used gouache for BR mixed traffic lining - on car body spray matt black and then varnished as required. Sharp curved corners still had to be done with a brush, but gentlet curves could be done with the Rotring as long as you could run it against a template Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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