WhiteRoseRambler Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 I am looking to model some stone trains from the 80s and was wondering when the 46 Ton POA wagon first entered service. I note that Bachmann make versions in both Yeoman and ARC liveries and having looked at Paul Bartlett's website have found some photos from '88, however my modelling period is up to '86. Any assistance gratefully received. Many thanks. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyneux Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Chris, There were some POAs based on ex-ferry tank under frames (build code PO015A) that were in use before 88 although I'm not sure if they were used on Stone traffic at this point in time. You can find a couple of pictures of these from about 1986 on Huw Millington's Flickr site. I have done a 4mm rake of POAs as used by Foster Yeoman circa 88-89 including some of the other wagon variants (including PO015A). Are you a member of DEMU? If so you can read all about them over on their forum. If I were you, given your period, I'd go with a rake of PGAs as they were far more common. If you're into kit building then the S-Kits PXAs are also appropriate for Foster Yeoman stone traffic for 1986 and are a fairly easy kit to build. Here's a pic of one I built: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 The first POA on ex tank wagon underframes were, indeed, the ex ferry tank. They were released from Crumps in 1985 (I have 5144 as 10/85). I have several photos of these, series 5143 - 5151. Unfortunately they retained the end brake platform so were quite unlike RTR models that have been made available. Sorry, I've not scanned these - could do later, seems like a good idea. Although the Marshall book says they were in use with Yeoman they didn't have such branding. The next batch was probably 5152 - 5181 and these came out from January 1987 - see http://PaulBartlett....anpoa/e3f37aa3c which is only the third built (assuming they came out in number order). Similarly 5182 - 5193 are 1987 wagons and other POAs followed in 87 - 88. I am not convinced PXA are suitable either (out of your period called JXA) If I am correct that you are being referred to PX029E and F then these 10 wagons (3160 -3169) are also a 1987 delivery. I've not scanned the few of these I have either. The need for these extra wagons was associated with the additional traffic required for the Chunnel construction sites. Paul Bartlett Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyneux Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Paul, I would love to see the photos you have of 5143 to 5151! Chris, if you fancy a bit of a hack-about with the Bachmann model, you can easily make these (cut and shut chassis and simple styrene sheet body): The early batch of Yeoman PXAs (PR3140-9) should be suitable as these were built in 1983. They have buffers at both ends and were painted in white with blue widely-spaced Yeoman lettering (as per the PTAs). The later batches of PXAs were built for the tunnel traffic and were built without buffers at one end (outers) or both ends (inners). Examples can be found here: http://www.flickr.co...157603195747980 http://www.flickr.co...157603195747980 LTSV has this summarised: http://www.ltsv.com/...numbers_po1.php Of course, PTAs would also be suitable but the Hornby (ex-Lima) model is pretty rubbish and needs quite a bit of work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 The PTA isn't *that* bad.....it just isn't a model of the same prototype as ARC/Yeoman used! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Paul, I would love to see the photos you have of 5143 to 5151! Chris, if you fancy a bit of a hack-about with the Bachmann model, you can easily make these (cut and shut chassis and simple styrene sheet body): I have posted the photos I have of these at http://paulbartlett....io.com/poapo15a Yours looks a bit too clean Paul Bartlett Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyneux Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Paul, many thanks... that's fantastic. Time for me to get the weathering powders out! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 The early batch of Yeoman PXAs (PR3140-9) should be suitable as these were built in 1983. They have buffers at both ends and were painted in white with blue widely-spaced Yeoman lettering (as per the PTAs). The later batches of PXAs were built for the tunnel traffic and were built without buffers at one end (outers) or both ends (inners). My photographs of these are at http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/pxapxo29c Paul Bartlett Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyneux Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Thats great.... thanks for posting the photos of the PXAs Paul! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Not really on topic, but I have now added more collections of the bogie open aggregate wagons to my site. Sorry, all a bit late for the original poster. Procor Foster Yeoman PXA bogie aggregate open 3160 - 3169 http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/prpxayeoman Procor TML/Yeoman PXA bogie aggregate open 3170 - 3247 http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/pxatmlyeoman PXA for TML bogie aggregate open 3248 - 3267 http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/trlpxatml Orenstein & Koppel Yeoman bogie aggregate open PHA 3268 - 3328 http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/okphayeoman Paul Bartlett Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyneux Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Appreciate it is of topic, but have to say a big thanks for adding these photos. Really great to have another source of pictures of all of these types! The PHA is another wagon available from S-Kits. I've just finished a pair of outers and am very happy with them! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Nice pictures and models My Lima PGA need some work to get to those standards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 47187 at Mochdre with new ARC block train (Ashburies-Penmaenmawr) on 24 February 1988. Train composed of 29 POA wagons built on chassis of ex- 45T tank wagons, and carrying 1.334 tonnes of granite chippings from Penmaenmawr quarry to distribution point at Ashburies, Manchester. Wagon livery yellow with large blue ARC letters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseRambler Posted December 5, 2011 Author Share Posted December 5, 2011 Thank you for the info Guys; most appreciated. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Not really on topic, but I have now added more collections of the bogie open aggregate wagons to my site. Sorry, all a bit late for the original poster. Procor Foster Yeoman PXA bogie aggregate open 3160 - 3169 http://paulbartlett....com/prpxayeoman Procor TML/Yeoman PXA bogie aggregate open 3170 - 3247 http://paulbartlett....om/pxatmlyeoman PXA for TML bogie aggregate open 3248 - 3267 http://paulbartlett....o.com/trlpxatml Orenstein & Koppel Yeoman bogie aggregate open PHA 3268 - 3328 http://paulbartlett....com/okphayeoman Paul Bartlett Once again, not really on topic but I have made more collections of aggregate opens available on my site: TRL 4 wheel POA on ferry tank wagon frames http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/poapo15a Railease 4 wheel POA on frames of Sodium carbonate tank wagons http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/rlspoa Foster Yeoman 4 wheel POA http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/trlyeomanpoa The Railease prototype side tipper http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/rls5400 The Tilbury Roadstone Ltd hoppers (as once modelled by Hornby) http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/tbrpga The Bardon Hill bogie hoppers http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/bardonpha The Redland/Lafarge self discharge hoppers http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/selfdischarge The iron ore tipplers include stone and sand wagons Unfitted iron ore tipplers http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brironoretipplerunfit Fitted iron ore tipplers http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/ironoretipplermsv Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyneux Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Thanks Paul. Your site is a great resource, keep up the good work! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 slightly random question what sort of stone is quarried at Yeoman's quarry? want to make some false loads for my wagons but want the stone to look right all i know is it makes the wagons look slightly white cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 slightly random question what sort of stone is quarried at Yeoman's quarry? want to make some false loads for my wagons but want the stone to look right all i know is it makes the wagons look slightly white cheers It is carboniferous limestone, but Torr Works Quarry (Merehead) has now grown so huge that it cuts through several different layers of the rock with differing colours and qualities, hence although a lot is for roadstone, some is good as blocks for sea defence work. Yeomans wagons have also been used for granite which comes by ship from Glensanda (?) to the Isle of Grain for onward distribution. cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Cheers I'll try and get hold of a lump to make a load up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcoblanco Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Chris, There were some POAs based on ex-ferry tank under frames (build code PO015A) that were in use before 88 although I'm not sure if they were used on Stone traffic at this point in time. You can find a couple of pictures of these from about 1986 on Huw Millington's Flickr site. I have done a 4mm rake of POAs as used by Foster Yeoman circa 88-89 including some of the other wagon variants (including PO015A). Are you a member of DEMU? If so you can read all about them over on their forum. If I were you, given your period, I'd go with a rake of PGAs as they were far more common. If you're into kit building then the S-Kits PXAs are also appropriate for Foster Yeoman stone traffic for 1986 and are a fairly easy kit to build. Here's a pic of one I built: Nice finish where did you get the transfers from... Or did you make them... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyneux Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 I made them. Can supply if you need them! Guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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