welsh wizard Posted June 8, 2012 Share Posted June 8, 2012 Just a quick question ,i was looking at a video of this line on you tube and was wondering what happened to the tunnel at Scarborough station ? has it been bulldozed out of existence? Interesting working to reverse back into the station and reverse out again! Must say that I haven't come across this line before vaguely remember reading an article about robin hoods bay in the RM in the 70s but what a superb line it must have been to travel on especially the climb from Whitby and another reversal to get up to the viaduct ! Shame it has gone . has anyone modelled it I wonder ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkC Posted June 9, 2012 Share Posted June 9, 2012 This was the tunnel from Falsgrave to Gallows Close at the start of the line to Whitby. It's been filled in, iirc, in order to allow building work on top of it. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 The tunnel was filled with concrete and rubble, this may have had something to do with the noticeable dip in Falsgrave Road above the tunnel! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 There's Tom Harland's Bramblewick which was inspired by Robin Hood's Bay http://www.scalefour.org/layouts/exhibbramblewick.html 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJL Posted June 28, 2012 Share Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) If you are feeling up to the walk you can retrace the route from Prospect Hill , Whitby for 19 miles until you reach Scalby near Scarbough. If it a shame the line was lost it was so scenic. A great line to model. Edited February 17, 2013 by RJL 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinWales Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 But a difficult one to work! How about kettles banking a DMU? Discovered it on holidays in East Yorks this Easter and walked some of the old trackbed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suddaby Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 There are some interesting tales told in the Men of Steam series of books by Raymond Flint (father of Steve the RM editor). Castlebrough is a thinly disguised version of Scarborough, and some of the stories relate to the Whitby line. Kevin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwr Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Real shame this line closed. Paul R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkC Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 You can actually get past Scalby & all the way to Gallows Close. (A Sainsburys stands on part of the old yard there). The station site at Scalby & a little bit of the trackbed north of it has been built on, but there is a clear diversion which takes you back onto the route at the north end of the viaduct. Yes, a very scenic route, but a swine to work, particularly in winter, with steep climbs either side of Ravenscar; 1 in 39 southbound & 1 in 41 northbound. Then you had the reversals at each end to complicate matters. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkC Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 OK, let's try adding a few photos... Here's Ravenscar station, looking south towards Scarborough 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkC Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Ravenscar station again, this time looking north 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkC Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Here's a view from the top of Larpool Viaduct, looking towards Whitby. The chaotic area on the riverbank is where Whitby Gasworks once stood 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkC Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 OK, Scalby viaduct, viewed from the site of the old station throat, looking towards Scarborough 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkC Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 And from the south end of the viaduct, looking back towards Scalby. Lovely curve on it; that curve continued through Scalby station 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkC Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 This shot shows Scalby viaduct's western side, from the southern bank 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkC Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Cloughton Station is now a tea rooms, as well as having some holiday accommodation in the old Goods Shed, so here's the Goods Shed first! 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkC Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 A quick look from the southern station throat area at Cloughton, looking towards Scalby 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkC Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Cloughton Station 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkC Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 And looking the other way, again at Cloughton. There are some interesting items to admire, whilst enjoying refreshments in the tearoom 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
class"66" Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Interesting information..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkC Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 OK, question time. There are photographs of EE Type 4 D352 hauling working 1Z26 southbound over the line on 19th May 1964. It's thought that this was the only time that a main line diesel locomotive travelled the whole length of the line, unless anyone knows different? For anyone interested, there's a photo of the train coming off Scalby viaduct in Robin Lidster's "The Scarborough & Whitby Railway - a Centenary Volume", and I understand that the late Ken Hoole took a photo of it whilst it was climbing the 1 in 39 to Ravenscar. Further details of this working would be appreciated; sadly the wonderful 6 Bells website hasn't got this one at present. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
feifeitim Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Mark, Some fascinating pictures of the line. I was lucky enough to fly over it many times when I lived up in North Yorkshire. I agree with others, it is a huge pity it has closed. I'm sure today's DMUs would be more than up to the mark of working this line and it would provide an excellent transport connection for the villages on that north east coast. However, the rickety bridge at Staithes would have required a significant upgrade methinks!!! Tim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkC Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Hi Tim. Yes, an opportunity lost, for sure. Ravenscar Tunnel, if opened out into a cutting (as, of course, is was intended to be...) would have taken away a big operating problem. OK, you'd still have reversals at both ends, but with DMU stock that's not a major issue. I'm not sure that the Whitby-Boulby section, including that bridge at Staithes, could have a business case though. Too many problems with coastal erosion & infrastructure. You've still got the Esk Valley, of course, and route duplication undermines the case for that section further. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 The rickety bridge at Staithes was no less rickety than any of the other structures of that nature on the route. http://vintagegraphics.co.uk/catalog/images/YB0003-Sandsend-Via-rtp.jpg The issue was I believe poor quality steel used in the construction of the bridges so a clever NER engineer came up with the idea of pumping the steel full of concrete to stabilise the structures, not a bad idea for the time. If you go down to the footings at Sandsend you will see that the steel stumps are indeed still full of their pumped concrete, the big problem with the route north of Whitby is that of the unstable cliffs, much of the original route has disappeared and the rebuilt route is at risk, Sandsend South tunnel portal collapsed several years ago and the north portal is a peculiar shape. The horizontal airshafts are something to see though and you can get down to the beach if you are brave/stupid. I think the remaining viaduct on the open section is still standing but was converted into a large embankment many years ago although the original structure can be seen at certain times of the year, or so I'm told. The problem you refer to at Staithes was not the bridge but the crosswind thereon because of the local geography, Staithes is a weird windy hole even today. The warning bell from Staithes is on display in the NRM at the moment, and I have a copy of the local instructions from the cabin. From what I understand there was an anemometer on/near the bridge and when the wind reached a certain speed the bell would ring and trains would have to be cautioned/run at reduced speed. Were the wind speed to increase the bell would ring in a different manner and the bridge would have to be closed. I think this is it anyway, its not easy to interpret 70 year old instructions without the gear referred to at hand! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkC Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 (edited) OK, as mentioned in another thread, I'm trying to put together lists of workings on the S & W. I've got some notes from my initial skim through my library at home. I'm away at sea now until April, but I have brought the notes with me. Here's the first two - more to follow, & if anyone else wishes to join in, or has further information, please don't hesitate to get posting Where possible I have mentioned number of carriages being hauled Book - Scarborough & Whitby Railway Centenary Volume – J Robin Lidster Front cover B1 61319 with Inspection Saloon, northbound Plate 10 EE Type 4 D352 southbound pass excursion 1Z26 at Scalby, May 19th 1964 (Another photo of this working is in Backtrack Vol 22 #2, the train is approaching Ravenscar tunnel). This is reported to be the only time a main line diesel traversed the S&W - unless anyone knows different? Plate 13 4MT 80116 heading south, shunting Scalby yard Plate 15 G5 1887, LNER livery, southbound at Cloughton Plate 18 Unidentified J24 on southbound goods, Cloughton Plate 27 D49 235 piloting unidentified D49, northbound pass service Plate 34/39 D2151 southbound on last goods, 4th August 1964 Plate 41 A8 69864 bunker first with northbound goods at Hawkser Plate 45 A8 9858, LNER livery, southbound with a van & 4 carriages Book - Scarborough & Whitby Railway through time – Robin Lidster Page 7 3MT 77013 with 4 carriages southbound Page 27 Ivatt 2MT 41254 (or 56?) + unidentified B1 with 8 carriages, southbound Page 31 J24 65633, BR black, unfitted, LE at Scarborough. Caption indicates coast goods service Page 32 B1 61030 southbound pass service Page 36 A8 69885 BR black, southbound pass service Page 37 4MT 80116 southbound goods at Scalby Page 38 4MT 80119 derailed in Scalby yard, shunting southbound goods Page 60 Unidentified A8 (pilot) & B1 on northbound pass (excursion?) Page 64 D2151 cab first northbound on last goods service Page 65 3MT 77013 southbound with bridge inspection train Page 66 B1 61027 (or 37?) on southbound pass service Page 67 unidentified Ivatt 2MT tank (pilot) and Black 5 on southbound pass Page 85 B1 61032 southbound with 5 carriages Mark Edited February 2, 2014 by MarkC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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