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Limestone wagons in the Teeside area, circa 1950-1960


Dale

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Cheeky. Typical Rigger! :smile_mini: Know many Tiffy's?

 

Rigger???

 

Oooh the cheek! I will have you know I am an Instrumentation and Control Systems Artificer! Rigger, pah, that would mean going outside :sungum:

 

Cheers for the pic's Porcy, much appreciated.

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Apologies Dale for piggy backing the topic and morning Mr Mane. What were the lime flows from Hartley Quarry over Stainmore (latterly via Carlisle) for? Did that quarry produce the wrong grade for steel making? There are a few pics around of short lime trains coming east and of the quarry itself and it seems to be predominantly served by sheeted timber bodied wagons.

 

Morning Steve,

Guess what? Just happened to get an E mail from Wor esteemed matey, Stainmore specialist and RMweb lurker asking me to put on record that some of Sir Hedworth Williamsons Hartley Quarry output did indeed come over the hill to feed the Teeside furnaces. Went via Healey Mills after the slaughter and probably some via Carlise too.

He has a load of wagon numbers recorded from Healey Mills on Hartley > T-side workings from 1969//70. Bit later than required on this thread though. He must have startred his wagon spotting young as 1970 he would have been about six.

Just so happens I've got a lovely 6 x 6 neg of a Green SYP Class 40 at Hartley sat on my desk this very minute.

OT. Your J72 chassis is looking good. Did yah see mine?

 

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Rigger???

 

Oooh the cheek! I will have you know I am an Instrumentation and Control Systems Artificer! Rigger, pah, that would mean going outside :sungum:

 

"One loop per day, perhaps."

You mean you never have to take your Drucks and wobble meters outside. Give over or I'll have start sending you phots of my Flukes next.

Come to think of it, how long you been offshore? We might have worked together. Heaven forbid, I could even have been your gaffer. :O

Have a good trip...

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Wobble box, lol...

 

Levels on the compressor lube oil tank this morning. Well that and planning rolling stock for my layout...

 

Been with BP on the Cleeton for 6 months (being taken over by Perenco on Nov 1st... DOOM!) and before that I was on the Central in Morcombe Bay with Centrica for a couple of years. Any further back in time and I was on the beach.

 

7 sleeps...

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Just had one of those moments... in between very important jobs i found the time to snoop around ehattons and oddly enough, in the section for era 6 I found some BR Grey 7 and 8 plank wagons with the magical V for bottom doors.

 

 

37-081E

 

 

37-158B

 

 

But surely these are era 4, maybe 5 ??? Fingers crossed they are as the order is ready to go. That's 8 wagons for my domestic coal train 'in the bag'. Happy days.

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Now now Paul, there's no need to cast nasturtiums upon Mr W's age, we can but hope that he is either a time traveller or indeed very much older than his appearance and wearing exceedingly well. Either way can he hurry up and give us the Hartley Quarry lime flows for 1954-60

 

Double off topic - ta for the comment re the j-72 : its on the back burner while I work out how to easily make detachable springs so the wheelsets can be dropped out for servicing and getting the momentum up to do it. Also come on show us the 40 at Merrygill, in fact how much stuff have you got from there? oh ###### it s a triple O/T - you didn't show off your j-72 on my last visit ...... pictures?

 

Sorry Dale, but ta for the heads up on the Hattons stuff - i think you could make good use of the offshore downtime doing Bradwell/Parkside hybrid 21tonners for no other reason than it seems to be almost obligatory for an NE layout to have multiple rakes of 'em.

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Sorry Dale, but ta for the heads up on the Hattons stuff - i think you could make good use of the offshore downtime doing Bradwell/Parkside hybrid 21tonners for no other reason than it seems to be almost obligatory for an NE layout to have multiple rakes of 'em.

 

Believe me when I tell ya I have tried but the rules for dangerous goods are a nightmare. Turns out i can have up to 2L of plastic weld on the chopper which is progress. Initially the materials controller had a fit when he looked up Dichloromethane. Then there is the knife register for the scalpel. The OIM suggested that due to the COSHH aspect of the materials used and using controlled hand tools (knives), I would have to take out a work permit to do any modelling. No joke...this is where we are with health and safety bureaucracy.

 

I will keep chipping away though.

 

So those wagons, they are just miss era'd (if thats a word?) right?

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Dale,

I don't think I've got any pics showing wooden bottom door mineral wagons in use around Teeside but I'll have another check.

Hope you don’t mind a quick a quick hijack for some J72 chassis pics.

Apologies Steve,

The photo quality is as bad as the soldering.

Still to fit the brake cyl. and rigging. It’s for a short bunkered J72 so technically the frames should be shallower between the mid and front drivers. It’s not really noticeable with the body on.

It’s a High Level box modified to sit as low as possible so a loksound chip can sit atop the motor. Runs as sweet as a nut on DC but that will probably change once I’ve fitted the plunger pick ups. You might just be able to work out the torque reaction mechanism.

Standard practice to retain the springs. Each cut off spring has 0.3 mm rod soldered to each end and these slide into corresponding bits of 0.5mm o.d. tube soldered inside the frames.

The copperclad still has to have tracks etched (or scribed) into it, to provide electrical paths for the single red/white tail come headcode lamp, speaker and firebox glow.

Not really into the gizmos but thought it would be an extra challenge to fit into a 72 and keep the cab clear with a scale depth backhead. That’s the reason for the shallow depth flywheel too.

 

Progress has been painfully (Literally, as I think you are aware) slow as it was a cold summer and will probably be even slower now the winter is upon us. There was a covering of snow outside last time I looked.

Good weather for a V8 Series One though…

 

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Right thats me off to bed to try and get a couple of hours kip.

 

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No worries on the thread robbery.

 

i wanted to use those wagon for my domestic coal loads. I thought they would look quite good parked up on my coal drops as 'Arfer rubs his back bellow, slowly filling yet another sack to load on his flatbed...

 

On the J72 thread hijack, anyone know where I can get a replacement motor for the Bachmann model. Mine has died a death. Secondly is there a complete replacement chassis I can put under my Bachmann body that isnt split chassis? I want to sound chip one as I am planing on using a J72 as my station pilot.

 

D.

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Paul - looking nice there.... inside motion as well - pervert (watch out Horsetan will be chasing you if you carry on with that game ;) ) What's the motor?

 

Dale, as far as chassis go have a look at Comet and Bill Bedford. Mainly trains did one which came with a detailing kit for the bodywork. The Comet and MT frames are not too hard to do (i stalled as they were p4 testbeds on suspension). As far as motor/gearbox combos go speak to Chris at High-level at Chester le Street. Ta, you pair for prodding me into digging these two out again. might be time to have another crack at them (no inside valve gear for me _ I'll be happy for my two left thumbs to get a working csb setup). If you just want another Bachmann unit there are usual a few floating by on ebay if you're patient.

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