DelawareAndHudson Posted October 10, 2013 Author Share Posted October 10, 2013 PMP Fermentation Products in Peoria, Illinois receives corn syrup by rail. This building is a bit more interesting that all the simple 'Pikestuff' style buildings. http://peoriastation.blogpeoria.com/2009/09/14/aaaaaah-peoria-industry/ Aerial view courtesy of Bing. http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=qsg8mm7j1hpn&lvl=19.54&dir=357&sty=o&q=900%20NE%20Adams%20St%20%20Peoria%2C%20IL&form=LMLTCC Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DelawareAndHudson Posted October 10, 2013 Author Share Posted October 10, 2013 Yet another corn syrup customer. Carriage House Corp, a division of mega food conglomerate ConAgra, has a plant in Fredonia, New York. Of all the various corn syrup customers posted in this thread so far, I find this factory to be the most interesting. In addition to corn syrup, they also appear to receive vegatable oils by rail. From a quick count of tank cars in the aerial view, it looks close to 50-50 or 55-45 split between corn syrup cars and vegatable oil cars. I assume there are specific unloading points for corn syrup and vegatable oil at this plant based on the arrangement of cars. One could make this even more interesting by adding a spot or two for covered hopper unloading for flour, corn starch, or granulated sugar. Want even more variety? Add an outbound loading dock either inside the building or on the same track as the tank unloading for outbound finished product. Probably best to use insulated boxcars. Not reefers but RBL's the Atlas 52' Evans double plug door boxcar, the Athearn or Walthers NACC 50' RBL, etc. http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=r26vh18cpnyj&lvl=19.39&dir=268.06&sty=o&q=180%20Newton%20St%2C%20Fredonia%2C%20NY%2014063&form=LMLTCC Ground level views: http://lehighconstructiongroup.com/project/portfolio/food-pharm/carriage-house/ http://www.observertoday.com/photos/news/md/587804_1.jpg 15-year old article from Railpace Magazine about the Conrail local that served this plant. in 1998, it was still referred to as the 'Red Wing' plant. See the link to the historical information below for more on that. This story even includes a picture of Conrail switching the plant. I am ASSuming that there is no runaround on this line that ends at the plant. Photo 5 shows the local using a caboose to 'push' the three miles south to Fredonia. http://railpace.com/stories/crlocal/index.htm Very brief video view of Fredonia plant in this news story about the shutdown of two related plants in the county. Around the 1:40 mark. http://www.wkbw.com/news/local/Ralcorp-to-Cut-Hundreds-of-Jobs-in-Silver-Creek--Dunkirk-185960282.html You can check out some of their products here: http://www.ralcorpsnackssaucesandspreads.com/sauces-and-spreads/ Historical information on the food industry in the county and the Fredonia plant in particular along with a view of the plant when it was new. http://app.co.chautauqua.ny.us/hist_struct/Pomfret/200NewtonStreet(about)PomfretTheCudahyRedWingPlant.html Hope this all proves helpful. No promises, but I *might* be able to photograph this particular plant next Friday or the following Tuesday. I am traveling back to Upstate New York next weekend and on the way east, I am planning a stop at the Arcade & Attica Railroad in western NY state. Fredonia is around where I will be getting off the Interstate to head towards the A&A. Again, no promises, but if it works out timewise, I will try. Jason Cook Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
torikoos Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Thanks very much Jason for all the various links provided. There's a whole diversity of industries (shapes and sizes) for this type of operation. I will no doubt be able to find something of use amongst all of this. Koos Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted October 10, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 10, 2013 Hi Jason, Interesting... Not that far away I came across this location:- http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=r2djcx8cpp25&lvl=19.34&dir=264.16&sty=o&sp=Point.r2djcx8cpp25_Somewhere%20to%20model____&eo=0&q=180%20Newton%20St%2C%20Fredonia%2C%20NY%2014063 Lots of interesting model potential! Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DelawareAndHudson Posted October 10, 2013 Author Share Posted October 10, 2013 -- Phil, I believe that is another plant owned by ConAgra. That plant may be one of the two that were closed earlier this year. Just south of this plant if you follow the branch to where it crosses the Norfolk Southern (former Nickel Plate) mainline, is yet another consignee that uses corn syrup. I believe it is an ice cream plant. -- Koos, You're quite welcome. Give me Google and a slow day at the job and I'm downright dangerous! Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Great thread, everyone! Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supaned Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Very interesting thread, Just a suggestion , could we have similar threads for other industries to give folks more inspiration? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 That's a good idea - if folk want some "starter for 10s" then i'd already started something similar on the NMRA-BR forum here: http://www.nmrabr.org.uk/forum/viewforum.php?f=56 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supaned Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 yep - exactly like those - perhaps we could have similar here in the "pinned" section? Apologies if this is a thread hijack. If I could add : Winpak , Senoia GA https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ie=UTF-8&q=Winpak+Films+Inc&fb=1&gl=uk&hq=winpak&hnear=0x88f494d20e537db9:0x336ad364a4496b0e,Senoia,+GA,+USA&cid=0,0,8603538239697193059&ei=BL9XUofKM8rOhAfa_IGgBw&sqi=2&ved=0CI4BEPwSMA0 Inbound loaded hoppers (look like ACF 5701) are brought in twice weekly on NS local G66 which runs along the former Central of Georgia line (now truncated at Senoia). I believe the finished products (film and vinyl) go out by road. There is a runround track and then two spurs for the factory ,so a little bit of switching interest - also there is a transload facility in the town of Newnan , served by a spur which can only be accessed on the return journey , so centrebeams and any other cars bound for there take the trip to Senoia and back before being set out on the return journey. Judging from photos , some interesting high-nose motive power as well as some lovely scenery : http://im4csx.rrpicturearchives.net/archivethumbs.aspx?id=93589 http://im4csx.rrpicturearchives.net/archivethumbs.aspx?id=87772&Page=1 http://im4csx.rrpicturearchives.net/pictures/87772/Pictures%203193.jpg And this one in the "prototype for everything" department - a C40-9W on a local switching job http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3235969 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 You'd need a Sub-fora. We tried that on 'builds" and very few people read it. It's still there, take a look. I'm not convinced about "pinning" either as you'd have to pin each Industry thread - it soon becomes rather unwieldy in length. Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 I wish I had photographs but I remember frequent very long strings of Archer Daniels Midland corn syrup tankers heading east into Chicago on the old C&NW mainline when I lived there years ago (mid 1990s). I saw them regularly so it wasn't occasional traffic. They might even have been unit trains but I didn't take notice at the time. What struck me the most was imagining the sheer volume of corn syrup in these trains of dozens of the big corn syrup tankers and the fact that a large amount of it would be consumed in industrial food. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Aye, Michael, there's a lot of wobble-bottoms in America. Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supaned Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Fair enough - just a thought , if not separate industries , then perhaps an "industries for modellers" thread then? I've certainly learnt a lot just from reading this one about how and why things are done as they are in terms of spotting of cars etc - whilst some things may be obvious and self-evident as to why they are done in a certain way , some understanding does help to get things done more realistically rather than just switching cars for the sake of it. It's also been useful to see examples of smaller spurs and industries . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prof Klyzlr Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 Dear Corn Syrup curious, I'd point to the Jack Hill blog regarding Corn Syrup ops http://oscalewcor.blogspot.com.au/2011/01/how-corn-syrup-flows.html and note the "Sweeteners" plant which looks for all the world like an Inglenook at the end of the Lodi Industrial Park, on the CCT near Stockton CA http://goo.gl/maps/HdT6q Happy Modelling,Aim to Improve,Prof Klyzlr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
torikoos Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 That's a great shortline I hadn't heard of until now. I like the colourscheme, and a vintage geep makes it all the more great :-) thanks for sharing Prof :-) Koos Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilM Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 The bing view of the Peoria plant posted by Jason appears to show 3 cars in ADM livery and then possibly a Corn Products car? If so this is good news as I had hoped that end users might get product from different suppliers and justify why I have got a couple of different liveries. This is a great thread! It supports my emerging unfinalised food plant that receives corn syrup, vegetable oil and covered hoppers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 note the "Sweeteners" plant which looks for all the world like an Inglenook at the end of the Lodi Industrial Park, on the CCT near Stockton CA http://goo.gl/maps/HdT6q Happy Modelling, Aim to Improve, Prof Klyzlr Also go to streetview, put the little man on the road crossing and note the road markings - I haven't seen those before - nice find Prof Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotalLamer Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 One of the interesting things about a corn syrup facility is that there are several gradesof syrup and incoming cars must be spotted at the appropriate "pipe" to a particular tank. The article in the MR book is very good. Best, Pete. This is very true. One of the industries we work on my subdivision is a place crews call "Sugar and Sweetner" though I think the two tracks might actually be seperate companies? I'm not entirely certain. Either way, they get covered hoppers of sugar on one track and tanks of corn syrup on the other. It's been a month or two since I worked this place (and even that most recent go was just when I caught the job off the extra board) but if I remember right, spots 1 and 2 are interchangeable and spots 5 and 6 are interchangeable, but that's it. It makes it a REAL pain to switch the place. As opposed to the Sugar side, which is just a quick in-and-out type of thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotalLamer Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 There's also a Coke bottling plant over in an industrial park where we work that gets corn syrup. There's 3 spots on each track. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Thanks TotalLamar. Presumably that's a "Domino" plant in post #43? Are the shots from Google Maps? Cheers, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 I'm confused. Is Tate and Lyle in the Uk Domino in the US? Domino in the Uk is a Pizza company Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Different companies. Domino Sugar/Domino Foods is a long-time sugar supplier (name dates from 1900, and their big sign can be seen in Baltimore), owned by Tate & Lyle between 1988 and 2001. Domino's Pizza is a separate entity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domino_Foods Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 And confusingly Domino's Pizza as a brand exist over here too. The important thing to remember is that a Pepsi/Coke type facility will (usually) only use one grade of corn syrup (and maybe cane sugar) whilst a DominosFood/Tate and Lyle facility is more interesting - as detailed in TotalLamer's post #43. Certain cars must be spotted at particular locations dependent on the grade of corn syrup they are carrying. Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotalLamer Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Thanks TotalLamar. Presumably that's a "Domino" plant in post #43? Are the shots from Google Maps? Cheers, Pete. Shots are from Bing Maps but yeah. Y'know I'm not -entirely- certain. Presumably it was originally a Domino Sugar place, but the problem is that on the railroad, NO ONE refers to industries by their proper or current names. As I said, that paticular location is just called "Sugar and Sweetener". There's a large ADM mill nearby that we just call "The Wheat Man". There's a place that USED to be Weyerhauser, but now it's International Paper... but everyone still calls it Weyerhauser. Everyone still calls Transflo facilities "BIDS". A place called Mauser is referred to as "Hoovers". Namasco becomes "The Steel Man". Blue Linx used to be Georgia Pacific, so of course it's just called "Georgia P". Nexeo Solutions becomes "Ashland Chemical". National Leasure is either "Rubbermaid" or "Wanda's". And so on... So basically, I don't know. I think the corn syrup side may actually be ADM though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 I was just checking because on the photo one of the roads was listed as "Domino (Way - or something)". Still, interesting to find out what you guys at the sharp end call places! Cheers, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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