martyn11post Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Before I start, this may seem ambitious... but should be twice the fun(challenge)! The Layout My intention is to build essentially a 8x4 OO Oval modular layout (probably spit into 2x2 sections). It will be split in half by a divider/back-scene length ways. One half a China Clay Dryers (e.g. Burngullow Road) the other half a Steelworks (e.g Llanwern or Margam). At one end there will be a docks (e.g. Cardiff/Fowey) which straddles the two mini layouts (duel purpose but with interchangeable docks 'furniture') It won't be entirely prototypical, with plenty of modellers license! The rolling mills (on steel side) & Dryers (on clay side) will conceal the cassettes where trains will be stored. The design will be so it can easily run steam/diesel and look ok! Industrial Rolling Stock China Clay Scene: CDA's/Hoods/Silver Bullets etc... Steelworks: BAA's/BDA's/etc (coil stock!) Torpedos/ladle cars/ingots etc Most of the above I have or can source! The below is where I need help (i.e. my wish list!) Steelworks Steam Port Talbot had numerous 0-4-0ST of Andrew Barclay (again DJH kit?) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Andrew_Barclay_Steel_Co_of_Wales_No_206_in_1951.jpg And Bagnall?? 0-4-0ST's Plus the short lived Bagnall 0-6-0ST (two remain in preservation; victor & vulcan: http://www.flickr.com/photos/5611hongkong/7661227256/in/set-72157630787374104 Any idea on modelling the 0-6-0ST and livery colours? Steelworks Diesel Port Talbot -ALCO S1's. --> Going to use Atlas HO model. Any idea's best match for the maroon SCOW livery? More discussion here: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/42766-an-alco-question/ Brush Bagnalls -0-4-0 variant. Assume DJH 02 is nearest equivalent, otherwise scratch build? -The large Bo-Bo: This seems like the way to go: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/62488-brush-bagnall-industrial-loco-in-rp/ -There also seems to be a variant with a much low engine case. Any idea why and if they are the same chassis as above? See:http://www.flickr.com/photos/deltic_baggie/7138222741/in/set-72157629810167168 This seems to indicate they were rebuilt by Andrew Barclay in 1993 http://www.flickr.com/photos/5611hongkong/7661219446/in/set-72157630787374104 Trojan: Again Scratch build job but inspiration can be taken from this http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/50072-corus-tata-steel-trojan-shunter-an-n-gauge-scratch-build/ Llanwern -GEC Stephensons (also used on Teesside): Scratchbuild/3D Print? http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/73246-gec-stephenson-diesel-shunter-drawings/ -EEV 0-6-0DH: Again scratch build? http://www.flickr.com/photos/martin289/3504437387/in/set-72157617652342393 Ebbw Vale 0-8-0: https://www.flickr.com/photos/12a_kingmoor_klickr/5769615544/in/set-72157626724121567 Kit exists in Judith Edge Kits See the following for more images: http://www.flickr.com/photos/deltic_baggie/sets/72157629810167168/ Clay Dryers Steam -Port of Par Bagnalls Alfred & Judy --> My plan is to convert Bill&Ben; Any suggestions on whether to start with Hornby's or Bachmanns? -ECC fireless... Any model examples? -Did the dryers have there own steam fleet??? or were they mainly serviced by GWR 57XX's? Clay Dryers Diesel. -A couple of Hornby Sentinels should do the trick! I have scoured rmweb, plenty of inspiration for both topics & excellent examples & images to help design this. Any thoughts/suggestions gratefully received! Thanks, Martyn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Well, that's certainly a challenge squeezing all that into 8' x 4'. Most of the locos you mention would require scratch building, there is a 7mm kit, from Mercian, for the big Bagnall 0-6-0 ST and I believe a 4mm version has been mentioned though I'm not sure one has ever appeared. I'm not too familiar with the SCOW steam fleet but one of the main 4mm industrial steam loco kit suppliers are Agenoria, now available from CSP Marketing. http://cspmodels.com/4mm_Kits.php Judith Edge, of course do plenty of industrial diesels, a steam loco or two, though I'm again unsure what would be prototypical for Port Talbot. Some iron &steel industry images, including some from Port Talbot, in my gallery, here; http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/gallery/member/6861-arthur/ Good Luck with your project. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkea1 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Interesting project! The Brush Bagnall that you linked to in the Rapid Prototyping section I have now got to run very sweetly using a pair of Black Beetle bogies (the high-reduction geared variant. I am in the process of painting and adding hand-rails and other details. I will update as and when I remember to take some photos! If you're interested in the RP body, I can let you have access to the CAD. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkea1 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 And whilst I think of it, you are correct - the "low bonnet" variant of the Brush Bagnalls is a rebuild by Hunslet Barclay in the 1990's of the original Brush Bagnalls. Pretty much everything above running plate level was replaced, and I believe they were fitted with new engines (Cummins if I recall correctly) and electrical gear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martyn11post Posted January 23, 2014 Author Share Posted January 23, 2014 Thanks Arthur & clarkea1 "Most of the locos you mention would require scratch building, there is a 7mm kit, from Mercian, for the big Bagnall 0-6-0 ST and I believe a 4mm version has been mentioned though I'm not sure one has ever appeared. I'm not too familiar with the SCOW steam fleet but one of the main 4mm industrial steam loco kit suppliers are Agenoria, now available from CSP Marketing." Might need to find a way of shrinking the Mercian big Bagnall down to 4mm! Your images Arthur are really useful. Thanks for making them available. I've attached a few images of the camera shy Port Talbot Steam loco's which might be of interest. Not an expert in what they are actually are (i.e. who made them), so if anyone has any ideas please let me know! "Interesting project! The Brush Bagnall that you linked to in the Rapid Prototyping section I have now got to run very sweetly using a pair of Black Beetle bogies (the high-reduction geared variant. I am in the process of painting and adding hand-rails and other details. I will update as and when I remember to take some photos! If you're interested in the RP body, I can let you have access to the CAD." I would love to see some photo's when you have them of your model! And if it's not too cheeky I would be very grateful to have access to the CAD so I can have a go at getting one printed! Once again thank you for your comments. I've started work on creating a EEV 0-6-0DH from a Bachmann Junior 0-6-0 chassis. I will upload images in due course. Thanks, Martyn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Hi Martyn, Interesting photos, thanks for posting them. The first is a Barclay and a resin body kit is available from ARC Models designed to fit on a RTR chassis. Here's a link, it's a similar, if not the same, loco type. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/76530-arc-models-new-range-of-4mm-scale-products/?p=1183476 The next three have a Peckett look about them but I couldn't say for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Didn't 401 end up at Austin's Longbridge works? I'm sure I've seen photos of something very similar there. I'm pretty certain it's a Peckett, even if it's a bit heftier than their normal types. Presumably most of these were part of the inherited fleet, as SCOW went over to diesels fairly early on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I'm reasonably confident that 305 is an Avonside. 101, originally named 'Kenfig', and 103 are Bagnalls (2515 of 1934 and 2632 of 1941 respectively - both are illustrated in Baker and Civil's A Pictorial Album of Bagnall Standard Gauge Locomotives). The key difference was the fitting of the valvegear between the frames on the latter loco, which was the middle of a batch of three. 401 is one of the pair which went to Longbridge (Bagnall 2994/1951), where it was named Vulcan and thence to the West Somerset Railway and thence to pastures new, but I am not sure where... Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGH Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 I've attached a few images of the camera shy Port Talbot Steam loco's which might be of interest. Not an expert in what they are actually are (i.e. who made them), so if anyone has any ideas please let me know! From the IRS West Glamorgan Handbook: 208 14" (cylinder) Barclay 2013 of 1935 101 17" Bagnall 2515 0f 1934 103 17" Bagnall 2631 of 1940 305 14" Avonside 1824 of 1919 401 18" Bagnall 2994 of 1950 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkea1 Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 I would love to see some photo's when you have them of your model! And if it's not too cheeky I would be very grateful to have access to the CAD so I can have a go at getting one printed! Martyn, PM me your email address, and let me know what CAD software you have access to so I can send it in the right format. Cheers Alastair Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martyn11post Posted January 26, 2014 Author Share Posted January 26, 2014 Thank you folks. Arthur: I will be ordering one of those Barclay's! Thank you all for helping to identify the Steam Loco's posted From the IRS West Glamorgan Handbook: 208 14" (cylinder) Barclay 2013 of 1935 101 17" Bagnall 2515 0f 1934 103 17" Bagnall 2631 of 1940 305 14" Avonside 1824 of 1919 401 18" Bagnall 2994 of 1950 Thanks PGH for the list. One further question... being B/W does anyone know what colour scheme was used on these loco's or was it the same 'maroon' used on the diesel fleet of SCOW? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martyn11post Posted April 30, 2014 Author Share Posted April 30, 2014 Been doing a bit more research on the ALCO's. I've started painting the Atlas model I have in the SCOW maroon (or as close too...). Already I think I've got the cab roof the wrong colour... British Pathe have recently released some more video to Youtube, hence I discovered the following on the Abbey works (Port Talbot) which you might find interesting: Ingots being shunted from 4:50 by an unidentified ALCO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8avI0XNCAMU And ALCO 804 becomes a Royal Train with Prince Philip on board 2:14 (note the various internal wagons): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKkdEQsIFew Any guesses on cab roof colour much appreciated! Enjoy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Interesting Pathe links Martyn, thanks for posing them. Take a look at this photo; http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/42766-an-alco-question/?p=462327 It's 1951 and shows the Alco's as delivered. The roof looks to be in maroon, which contrasts with the black roof on the Bagnall 0-6-0DE to the right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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