RSS Fetcher Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 marsa69's 7mm WB by marsa69 original page on Old RMweb __________________________________________ Comment posted by Mod5 on Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:23 am Best regards and could somebody please remind me how to edit the title of this thread http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_wave.gif Mark just go to your first post and hit the 'Edit' button in the top right hand corner and then you can 'Edit' it. If you get stuck pm me and I will do it for you. Regards Mod5 __________________________________________ ??? posted on Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:37 am Hi all http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif Enjoyed watching the point coming together! I'm glad you're enjoying the build Russ. Nice comments means that I'm not making a complete pigs ear of it http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif And to Mod5.........thank you. I just couldn't for the life of me remember how to edit the title http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_frustrated.gif One title now edited http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif Now I must be off to get ready for work. But fingers crossed I'll be able to make some more progress this week, toodle pip http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_wave.gif Mark __________________________________________ Comment posted by richard_t on Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:10 pm marsa69 wrote: Hello peeps http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif Best regards and could somebody please remind me how to edit the title of this thread http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_wave.gif Mark Looking good http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif Edit the first post and change the subject line there. (Although I think you've managed it already?) __________________________________________ Comment posted by OldBoiler on Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:02 pm I take my hat off to you and all who spend the time pain stakingly putting track components together. The pictures of the point work are brilliant. I may get round to it one day. Right now I'm happy to keep going with RTL (Ready-To-Lay! http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif ) track! Enjoying the thread alot! Regards B http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_wave.gif __________________________________________ ??? posted on Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:39 am Hi all http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif I take my hat off to you and all who spend the time pain stakingly putting track components together. The pictures of the point work are brilliant Thanks for the kind words B tis much appreciated. But firmly put your hat back on and give it a go. I honestly thought that this track building lark might be beyond me but I've found it immensely satisfying so far and as long as it goes to plan I'd definately do more track like this. In fact I'm finding it quite theraputic..........just what the shrink ordered http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif Well....not quite the shrink http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif Right now I'm happy to keep going with RTL (Ready-To-Lay! http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif ) track! Oh trust me, if Peco did a 3-way in 7mm then I would never have bought this little bezzler! But now I'm really glad I did http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif Anyway thats one night shift over with so its time for bed, regards, Mark __________________________________________ Comment posted by OldBoiler on Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:25 am Thank you. I'll think about giving it ago sometime. I'm looking forward to seeing the final fruits of your labours. It is a pity that Peco don't do a 3 way because i had thought about one on my layout. Now you've said about giving it a go and how theraputic it is..... http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif Why do i get the feeling more money will be parting from my wallet? http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif Keep it up. I look forward to seeing the layout progress Regards Ben http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_wave.gif __________________________________________ Comment posted by 3 link on Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:05 pm Hi Mark, I totally agree with you regarding track building being therapeutic, I have been building track work for well over 25 years now starting in 00 then EM and now 7mm. And there is the satisfaction that you built it and they look so much more prototypical than ready made, and also once you are confident you will build flowing point work for whatever position you require. And nowadays you are lucky enough to have us lot if you need any advice or help, not like back in the early 80's god am I that old http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif . Regards, Martyn. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_thumbsup2.gif P.S. Go on Ben, you know you want to http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif __________________________________________ ??? posted on Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:55 pm And nowadays you are lucky enough to have us lot if you need any advice or help, not like back in the early 80's god am I that old http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif . You're as old as the woman you feel I say http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif Anyway a quick update. I've trimmed all the remaining switch blades to required lengths ready for fitting. Added a short section of rail in the middle of the centre road. I've also been adding the cosmetic bits of chairs to the crossing vees before I head off for another wonderful night shift. I'll post some pictures in due course, hopefully tomorrow http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif best regards, Mark http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_wave.gif __________________________________________ ??? posted on Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:22 pm And we're now coming into the final turn! Made some excellent progress today, so much so that I've only 3 switch rails, 4 check rails and some cosmetics left to do http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_clap.gif Now it's time for tonights matinee http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif Here is the section of rail I fitted the other day to the left of the centre road. You can also see the cosmetic chairs I've fitted as well to the crossing vees which make a big difference to the overall look. Will be even better once painted http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif 3 way 241.jpg (67.97 KiB) Todays push saw me install the last major piece of rail. I started by anchoring the No.1 & 2 chairs in place. I put a very slight kink in the rail by chair no.3 to start the bend and to allow the switch blade from the centre track to sit better. After much jiggling and measuring with switch rails and track gauges I then glued down the chair at the no.12 sleeper as nos.3-11 are slide chairs and don't hold the rail in any way, shape or form except to offer support from underneath. 3 way 242.jpg (92.91 KiB) I then progressed along the rail fixing down the chairs and gauging to the opposite rail on the crossing vees. I kept checking back to chairs 1,2 & 12 to make sure that the rail hadn't flexed and pushed its alignment out of gauge. Like Russ mentioned in an earlier post as long as everything is in gauge the cosmetics can be taken care of later. You can see that I've only installed a chair on every other sleeper between positions 24 - 33. The check rail that needs to go at this location will have chairs fitted for the empty slots. To complete this bit I will have to cut down some chairs in half and glue them against both rails like I did for the crossing vees. 3 way 243.jpg (74.04 KiB) And here is the final piece of rail installed for the left hand road. Only the chair closest to the crossing vee needed trimming for it to fit. 3 way 244.jpg (83.04 KiB) Et voila! http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif This end of the turnout is virtually complete except for 3 check rails and fishplates needing to be installed. I can see the need for the rail grinder to make a visit once it's in. Also the camera does make things look messy i.e. lots of glue everywhere. You can also see where I had to join sleepers together to make up the longest of the timbers. Once the turnout is in on my baseboard I'll smooth in a touch of milliput and then paint the whole lot. You'll never remember the joins are there........in best Yoda voice....mmmm forget you shall joins in sleepers http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif 3 way 245.jpg (71.36 KiB) To say I'm delighted that I've made it this far fairly unscathed is an understatement. My technique is getting better all the time and I've now the confidence to crack on with the tricky bit of fitting the 3 switch blades in the middle of the formation. As before please feel free to throw me some feedback - good or bad, best regards as always http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_wave.gif Mark __________________________________________ Comment posted by PCM on Sat Jul 25, 2009 2:13 am Hi Mark, That 3 way point looks geat, http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_thumbsup2.gif Do you get everything you need in the kit, and what sort of price are they http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_question.gif You have got me thinking. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif Cheers Peter. __________________________________________ Comment posted by onslaught832 on Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:47 am That looks brilliant Mark http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_clap.gif http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_clap.gif http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_clap.gif , well done http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif Cheers Phill http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_thumbsup2.gif __________________________________________ Comment posted by OgaugeJB on Sat Jul 25, 2009 10:06 am Hello there... that turnout looks very nice indeed, it is decent trackwork that floats my ship if you know what I mean.. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif I have very very little experience with building turnouts, i did a couple of the P4 Track Co. kits a few years back, but one thing I might mention is that you may need to pay a little attention to the checkrails. They actually do work in turning the wheels through the curve and pulling the flange away from the tip of the crossing vee. Send a little stock through it slowly, and you might be okay.. if not you may have to remove the checkrail you have already fitted, curve it to the same curve as the main rail rather than straight, (which it seems to be although that might just be the camera angle) and move it slightly closer to the stockrail... if i'm right the flangeway in O fine is 1.5mm ? I don't know this for sure though... Other than that splendid work ! http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif Next we want to see a double outside slip http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_thumbsup2.gif JB. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sat Jul 25, 2009 2:48 pm Thanks for the nice comments guys http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif That 3 way point looks geat, http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_thumbsup2.gif Do you get everything you need in the kit, and what sort of price are they http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_question.gif You have got me thinking. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif Everything you need Pete with lots to spare. This little bezzler cost ?‚??82 and as you can see all the crossing vees were ready made making things even easier. Some of the chairs are not prototypical and you have to hack and bash them a bit but I didn't find them a problem. Can I sense Holyhead in 7mm after all? http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif but one thing I might mention is that you may need to pay a little attention to the checkrails Only until laying the last rail did I finally suss out the chair arangements with relation to the running rail/check rail d'oh http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_idea.gif I'll see if I can post some demo photos showing the arrangement. if not you may have to remove the checkrail you have already fitted, curve it to the same curve as the main rail rather than straight, (which it seems to be although that might just be the camera angle) and move it slightly closer to the stockrail You're right JB. The camera can be a pig sometimes. The check rail is actually curved like the running rail. I double checked this today when I removed the check rail http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif I was never totally happy with it so out it came. I've now trimmed back alternating chairs on the running rail so that I can install the check rail correctly. I'll be doing this for all my check rails. I'd rather do it now than once its installed on the boards. I thought that it would be extremely difficult in removing chairs once they'd been fitted but with some Mafioso persuasion they saw the error of their ways and left without a fuss http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_evil.gif . I then cleaned up the sleepers ready for the check rail Mk2 to be fitted. So I'd better crack on and get some more photos posted, toodle pip http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_wave.gif Mark __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:59 pm Next we want to see a double outside slip http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_thumbsup2.gif http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif So would I. Fancy building me one http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif Right then update time http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif Railtrack had the contractors back because they weren't happy with the work http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif Original check rail removed for refitting and sleepers cleaned up 3 way 261.jpg (62.84 KiB) Check rail now refitted and this time it gauges correctly 3 way 262.jpg (63.36 KiB) Gauging train makes an appearance 3 way 263.jpg (49.77 KiB) Now the fiddly bits commence with the switch blades being installed. I put a slight bend in each of the curved blades but not too severe as I wanted their own tension to hold them against the stock rails. The short blade for the right hand road was the pig of the three due to its short length. It only has two normal chairs to anchor it down and I had to keep checking the gauge on this to make sure it didn't move whilst the adhesive set. Even though Butanone is quick setting, like any adhesive it still takes time to achieve maximum grip. 3 way 264.jpg (67.58 KiB) And here we are http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif All it needs now is three more check rails fitting, fishplates and some cosmetic bits doing. I also need to sort out tie-bars so I'll have to do some digging on these forums unless you wonderful peeps out there can lead me in the right direction http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_winker.gif 3 way 265.jpg (68.38 KiB) So I'll get the check rails done later tonight and hopefully the fishplates as well, if the wife doesn't find me anymore jobs to do http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_mutter.gif best regards, Mark __________________________________________ ??? posted on Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:44 pm Hi all http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif I'm close to the finish line now. I just have one check rail left to fit but this will have to wait until I've fitted the fishplates. So I have a couple of questions; 1: Can anyone recommend a decent adhesive for fixing plastic fishplates to nickel silver rail? I've read about Loctite 450 but was wondering if there is anything else that will do the job. Butanone seems to be too brittle and I would imagine that superglue is the same. And the answer is? superglue http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_clap.gif 2: I was going to solder some strips of locking wire on the underside of the rail across the rail joins for electrical continuity. Is this necessary or will normal wiring of the turnout negate this? 3: The enclosed tie-bars with the kit seem a bit flimsy. Has anyone scratchbuilt their own that don't use chunks of copperclad sleeper? 4: Can anyone provide me with a wiring diagram for a 3-way turnout? Operation will be DC for a long time to come yet? Had this answered in the PWay section Any help will be gratefully received http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif regards http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_wave.gif Mark __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sun Aug 09, 2009 6:10 pm Momentus news everyone http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif Except for the mundane things like wiring, painting/weathering and a few cosmetic fishplates to weld on, the turnout is, ahem, complete http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_clap.gif 3 way 091.jpg (55.17 KiB) The turnout in position 3 way 092.jpg (62.32 KiB) A view from the works end towards the re-fuelling road 3 way 093.jpg (50.33 KiB) And the trusty test train http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif All I need to do now is try and fine if there is a manufacturer of cosmetic tie-bars to finish off the appearance along with buying some more fishplates. I've got to say that the kit has been a joy to build and I will definitely be buying more C+L turnout kits in the future, as and when finances permit. I'll still use my PECO turnouts that I've got but I'll be putting up my Marcway kits for sale to finance aforementioned kits. As I've alluded to earlier in the thread for anyone who has been put off from building their own track............then don't be, as I hopefully have shown that it's not as difficult as it seems. Just take your time and and make sure that everything is in gauge http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif And if all else fails then just ask on this forum for help, as Alexander orlov says 'eets simples http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif '. Now I can finally go and update my layout thread, best regards http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_wave.gif Mark __________________________________________ Comment posted by Ressaldar on Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:47 am Hi Mark, good work there mate http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_clap.gif http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_clap.gif http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_clap.gif and if Alexander Orlov says it, then it must be right http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif - get the outside double slip kit on order http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif regards Mike __________________________________________ ??? posted on Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:45 am Hi all http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif Had a play around last night with the two bits of track that I took up as a result of re-planning what had already been installed. I quickly got bored and slightly miffed that I didn't have more track. Then a eureka moment happened http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif Quickly checking what I had left over from my turnout kit and consulting my measurements for a 60ft panel, I grinned to myself and set to, P1000745.jpg (69.03 KiB) Leftovers P1000746.jpg (57.01 KiB) Incorrect length timber http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif P1000747.jpg (64.34 KiB) Voila! Correct length timber http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif P1000748.jpg (51.05 KiB) Timbers on parade http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif P1000750.jpg (55.56 KiB) One shiny new 60ft panel It's not much but at least it's a section of track that I didn't have before the night started. I enjoyed it that much that I got onto C+L and ordered some more timbers, chairs and fishplates. Should keep me going until payday http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif regards, Mark __________________________________________ Comment posted by dikitriki on Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:14 am Hi Mark Sorry to be the bearer of bad news........... http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif Turnout timbers are normally wider than plain track sleepers. It's not 100% clear from your photos, but if you have used spare timbers from your turnout pack, as I assume you have, then despite the spacing, the plain section will be incorrect. C&L sell plain track sleepers separately. Better to get it right now, but all good experience. I was looking at one of your earlier photos, the 3 way backing toe to toe with the the Peco Y - and wincing. The difference between the 2 is huge, as I think you now realise. Now you have caught the track building bug, design your own layout with handbuilt pointwork. It will look so much better http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif Regards Richard __________________________________________ ??? posted on Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:42 am Hi Richard http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif Thanks for the info, I'd rather get it right now than later. Like the title said it was a boredom filler. That panel will safely go into the floor of my workshop and get concreted over so no harm done. I'm still going to build my own stuff as like you said when I compared my turnout against the PECO stuff it was a tad depressing http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif But like I said in another thread, if people just want to get on with other aspects of the hobby i.e. kitbuilding, scenery etc and can't be bothered to build their own track, then there's nowt wrong with the RTR stuff http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif What I'll probably do with my test piece now is remove half the sleepers, add two lengths of rail to them and like that have two lengths of track for my workshops. Even though every other sleeper would be missing my plan has been to fill the gaps with cork offcuts or thick card before I cover over with the concrete effect. Can't see the point in using prototypical track if you can't see it http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif best regards, Mark __________________________________________ Comment posted by mines a pint on Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:49 pm Thanks for the info, I'd rather get it right now than later. Like the title said it was a boredom filler. That panel will safely go into the floor of my workshop and get concreted over so no harm done. -Thinking laterally use it in an out of the way place, or as inlaid track, inside a goods or engine shed or in the fiddley yard ? dont bin it! __________________________________________ View the full article Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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