RMweb Premium ArthurK Posted October 29, 2009 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 29, 2009 Photos From 1960s - NE area by ArthurK original page on Old RMweb __________________________________________ Northeastern area photographs Thought that some of you out there might like to see a few of my earlier photos taken in the Northeast of England (Northumberland and Durham). All Black and White in those days. My eariest slides don't reproduce too well. We will start with a few lineside views taken at Low Fell on the ECML about four miles south of Newcastle. My camera in those was the compact Paxette 2. Not the best but it did have interchangeable lenses. I visited this spot about three or four times each year during family visits back to the Northeast. The first is diesel hauled train southbound on the up fast to york and (probably) Leeds. Oh that I could have photgraphed the Leeds train in the late 40s! It was always had a pair of Hunt D49s at the head. Next a Newcastle train on down fast hauled by V2 60828. The engine seemed to be wherever I went. I photographed it more than once in the York area. Note the outside steam pipes indicating that it had received A3 type cylinders. An A3 follows on soon after the V2. This is 60036 'Colombo'. This engine was to end its days as a standby engine at Darlington. A Q6 0-8-0 proceeds southwards on the up slow. Probably off the Blaydon curve through the Low Fell yards. I never visited Low Fell at this time without seeing about six of this long lasting class. A good shot of the Low Fell Box and the remnants of the platforms of Low Fell Station. Somehow wherever I went the A4s always seemed to avoid me when I had a camera to hand but there were exceptions. This time 60025 'Falcon' heads a southbound express. The closed Low fell station is in the background. The last of this batch is a Newcastle express. I include this because the Gresley steel articulated coaches at the head of the train. __________________________________________ Comment posted by blueeighties on Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:15 pm Excellent. I prefer blue locos, but its always nice to see undiscovered local pics Thanks for posting. Regards Lee __________________________________________ Comment posted by 31A on Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:55 pm Cool! I like the last one in particular - interesting use of a non-gangwayed twin art set on an express, in 1960! __________________________________________ ??? posted on Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:02 pm I also have a colour slide of an A4 60028 'Walter K Whigham' with a similar pair of coaches at the head. Taken at York in 1962. Perhaps it was the same pair. Don't forget that the pre-war sets of the Silver Jubilee and the Conoration both had articulated sets in their makeup. These were still running well into BR days but not in their original formations.I witnessed blue Coronation and West Yorkshire coaches at York in the late forties. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Willster on Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:43 am Hello Arthur, Please keep the photo`s coming. I guess that the Low Fell station site was a popular place, as this location features in many photo`s around that time. I had an Aunt that lived nearby, so used to visit this spot on each visit. Bob __________________________________________ Comment posted by the penguin of doom on Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:56 am Hi Arthur. Great to catch up upon your hread. Some nice pictures on here, especially the EE type 4, (Or are we going to call it a 40?). I lived in Gateshead for a short time in the early 90's. It had changed greatly by then with the electric wires and army of Sprinters and 91's, but there was still alot of freight running around and it was always interesting to sit by the lineside in my pizza van and watch the world go by. I used to sit south of the team valley next to some sidings, which I think may have been Tyne Yard? Maybe some of the locals will correct me there, but I remember you could get pretty close to the action. Arthur, keep the pictures coming and don't be afraid to include a few diesels too. It all makes for good viewing in my opinion. Cheers. Sean. __________________________________________ Comment posted by buckdancer on Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:04 am Many thanks Arthur! I haven't seen photos at this location before and they are very clear and well composed too. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:08 pm Gresley Articlated Coaches Following on from the comments above. I offer 'Walter K. Whigham' A4 No. 60028. Taken at York May 1962 crossing the diamonds north of York station. At the head of the train is an articulated pair of coaches. The common bogie is right on the edge of the photo. I have blown up the original and as far as I can make out the coach number is 16?30 (could be 3 or 5). i haven't been able to identify this but it is clearly a corridor coach. Any one out there to help with this one? I know that the tourist stock lasted to BR days but those were opens. Further investigation shows 16830 to be a Dia. 304 buit 1942. These twins were Full third and Brake Third. This certainly fits the details in the photo. The earlier photo at Low Fell also fits into this picture although it appears to be a mirror image. The four compartment brake fits in with the 304 description. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:33 pm More at Low Fell As I said earlier my colour slides don't reproduce too well. This was Agfa film and is coming up to 50 years old! This shows Thompson A2 no. 60516 'Hycilla' with freight heading towards Gateshead. By the looks of the coal in the tender it hasn't come too far. Could have oicked up it's train at Tyne Yard a mile to the south. The lines here divide, the slow lines cross over to the main lines whilst the slows themselves swing off to the left past Low Fell Yard to Dunston and Blaydon. Visible in the background is the Team Valley Trading Estate built in the thirties. At the extreme left the Norwood coke ovens can be seen. The hillside in the distant background is Newcastle itself. __________________________________________ Comment posted by m mcdermott on Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:19 pm some nice atmospheric pickys arthur , keep em coming steam and weasles __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sat Jul 04, 2009 6:52 pm the penguin of doom wrote: Hi Arthur. Great to catch up upon your hread. Some nice pictures on here, especially the EE type 4, (Or are we going to call it a 40?). I lived in Gateshead for a short time in the early 90's. It had changed greatly by then with the electric wires and army of Sprinters and 91's, but there was still alot of freight running around and it was always interesting to sit by the lineside in my pizza van and watch the world go by. I used to sit south of the team valley next to some sidings, which I think may have been Tyne Yard? Maybe some of the locals will correct me there, but I remember you could get pretty close to the action. Arthur, keep the pictures coming and don't be afraid to include a few diesels too. It all makes for good viewing in my opinion. Cheers. Sean. Just to refresh you memory (or cotradict it) this is Tyne Yard, one mile south of Low Fell station. A3 'Sir Hugo' about to leave with a very short train of just six opens plus van. This is what the mighty A3s and even A1s and A4s were reduced to! Photo dated 21 October 1963. __________________________________________ Comment posted by 31A on Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:43 pm More interesting stuff, Arthur! Thanks again for posting. Poor Sir Hugo - how the mighty fell! Re the articulated coaches, the picture at York is also very interesting but I would suggest the earlier picture shows a non-gangwayed twin, indicated by the lack of domed roof ends, the position of the lavatory compartment and lack of destination board brackets. If I dig my books out I may be able to identify it.... __________________________________________ Comment posted by Crossfell5 on Sun Jul 05, 2009 9:05 am Arthur - alot of my slides - even the Kodak stuff scan with this 'Reddish cast' over them. Depending on your software , a simple Colour correction tool rectifies this ie - Great pictures BTW Nick __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sun Jul 05, 2009 2:59 pm More from Low Fell Deisel hauled Newcastle train with BR coaches. August 1961 Q6 63444 heads north. This one has the 4125 gallon non self trimming type having probably swapped the original with a C7 Atlantic. Note the 'D' shaped holes in the tender frames. January 1962. August 1961. An immaculate light engine B1 61014 'Oribi' heads southwards to Tyne Yard. This has come off the Dunston/Blaydon Curve onto the up slow of the now four track main lines. August 1961. I was lucky to get this shot of J25 65645 (first built). At this time there were (I believe) only two left this one and 65727. Taken August 1961. Q6 63443 slows to await the 'off'. This one has the original 4125 gallon self trimming tender. Many of the class lost these to the C7 atlantics and received theirs in return, not self trimming and carrying 1/2 ton less coal. Whilst the Q6 waits V2 60963 heads a southbound express. It has received a double chimney but retains the original cylinders. First coach is a Gresley teak six compartment brake third then a Thompson steel bodied coach.January 1962. The Q6 the takes is train over onto the main lines and to Gateshead. January 1962. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sun Jul 05, 2009 3:06 pm Crossfell5 wrote: Arthur - alot of my slides - even the Kodak stuff scan with this 'Reddish cast' over them. Depending on your software , a simple Colour correction tool rectifies this ie -144%20Thompson%20A2%2060516%20'Hycilla@%20Low%20Fell%20Sep%201961.jpg Great pictures BTW Nick I have tried correcting colours, the slides above have had some attempt at correction. I use Paint Shop Pro XI but I have never really got the hang of the colour tools in that. I usually start with a "one step photo fix" and take it from there. I use a Minolta colour scanner. Works fine for black and white. Must try harder Just had another go at the 'Hycilla' photo tried the Colour Red/Green/Blue option rather than Hue/saturation approach. Much easier and better. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Willster on Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:36 pm Hi Arthur, Lovely photo`s here. The caption to 65645, do you not mean J25 ??????. My August 1951 ABC shows all the J24`s to of gone. Bob __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sun Jul 05, 2009 8:09 pm Willster wrote: Hi Arthur, Lovely photo`s here. The caption to 65645, do you not mean J25 ??????. My August 1951 ABC shows all the J24`s to of gone. Bob Of course you are right. I am so besotted with my J24 etches I wrote J24 without thinking. The J24s did not last long after Natiolisation. Will correct the caption. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:35 pm A few diesels at Low Fell Some where it was suggested that I include a few diesels in my photo gallery. Whilst not a great fan of these I did take many as they passed by so here goes. Deltic takes a express southbound to Kings Cross. The two tone green livery was in my eyes by far the best. Blue repaints always looked a bit tatty. January 1962. Class 37 with brake tender and guards van northbound on the slow. These brake tenders were common in the northeast. the Diesels alone did not have sufficient braking power pulling unfitted minerals among the hills of County Durham. 1962. . One of the less sucessful of the diesels Class 14 (correct me if I am wrong!) no. D8595 again heading north on the slow. This time with vans. I can't remember the train make up. September 1964 Another type 14 no. D8592 this time with a brake tender and train of old style container wagons. Note the reuse of redundant Gresley coach bogies on the latter. Taken 1965 __________________________________________ Comment posted by Phil on Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:49 pm Some lovely images there ArthurK. The Claytons were regarded (by some) as class 17 nut we don't want to reopen that old wound. Particularly like to see images of brake tenders. Also think there might have been a chance to recreate an "empty" one from a pair of early EMU bogies - maybe class 304 or 305. It would have been an interesting history lesson to those studying railways in the future. Just imagine D5185 or D5410 on the Great Central pushing a brake tender and pulling the wndcutter rake. But there again, ifthere isn't enough cash and interest to maintain the 16 tonners themselves, there wouldn't be any resources for a DBT !!! __________________________________________ Comment posted by Andersley on Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:35 pm Superb photos Arthur! I love the variety of this era, and especially the brake tenders, so rarely seen. (I did scratchbuild one many years ago on a OO layout). __________________________________________ ??? posted on Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:16 pm Diesels at Low Fell We will end this diesel interlude with a few more. D2060 Heading to Tyne Yard 1962. We always called these Peaks altough only a few carried these names. I never did know the difference between classes 44/45. Some were based at Gateshead for the cross country trains to Birmingham and Bristol. No doubt the headcode will tell just where. Deltic heading to Kings Cross. October 1963. Specially for Andersley. Nice shot of brake tender preceeding a Clayton. A mixed train, two tankers then an open with Minerals behind. This train has come off the Dunston/Blaydon line. 1965 Lastly in this section another Peak with similar headcode to the previous one. 1965 That is about it for Low Fell diesels. Back to steam for the next batch then a switch to another location. __________________________________________ Comment posted by the penguin of doom on Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:31 pm Hi Arthur. Cracking pictures, especially of the Peaks and the Brake tenders. I might try modelling on of them soon, if I can get a decent scale drawing. Both Peaks in your pictures would become class 45's eventually. The 44's were the ones named after peaks and had headcode discs and connecting nose doors. The 45's were either split headcodes as in your pictures or had a two piece centre headcode box. The 46's first batch had this same centre headcode box, but then the later batch of 46's had a one piece centre box. The 46's were the ones you were likely to see on the cross country trains, although certainly in the top picture, the 45 is headed for the Western region. Of course, in later years, the "peaks" front end changed so much with replacements, that the rule above can only really be applied to loco's running round in the 60's. Hope youre not yawning by now, but keep em coming, this is right on my modelling period. Thanks again. Sean. __________________________________________ Comment posted by the penguin of doom on Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:35 pm Just checked the second picture and that 45 is heading for the Western too. You can tell by the V letter in the headcode. S = Scottish M = Midland N = North Eastern E = Eastern V = Western O = Southern Some may correct me if I'm wrong, not 100% about the southern region one? Cheers. Sean. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Andersley on Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:37 pm Thanks for the brake tender - I love them (and not just because they used Gresley bogies). __________________________________________ Comment posted by Fat Controller on Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:49 pm Some lovely stuff there. With regard to the photo of the Clayton with brake tender- the two tank wagons are probably carrying coal tar distillate from either Norwood Coking Plant, or the one near Swalwell. Interesting to see that Team Valley Industrial Estate had not yet reached its zenith- the area behind the train was eventually built over, including a rail-served wholesale fruit and vegetable market, which was still receiving some rail deliveries (Transfesa vans) in the early 1980s. The railways that served the heavier industries of the original Estate can be seen in the background, with the exchange sidings visible on the left-hand side of the line curving towards Blaydon. __________________________________________ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ArthurK Posted November 2, 2009 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 2, 2009 Photos From 1960s - NE area by ArthurK original page on Old RMweb __________________________________________ Comment posted by 31A on Tue Jul 07, 2009 7:19 pm More interesting photos! Looks like a maroon MkII, second vehicle in the up 'Scotsman'. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:16 pm Brian I was born in Swalwell so I knew the area very well I have photos of the Coke Ovens at Winlaton Mill, formerly Consett Iron Company owned before the NCB took over. The oulet from the Ovens was via Derwenthaugh onto the Blaydon/Dunston line part of the original Newcastle Carlisle railway laid down in 1835. The track from the ovens to Derwenthaugh was laid down around 1715 as a waggonway and part of the 'Western Way'. The train you mention could probably be carrying Coke rather than coal. The tank wagons lend credence to that idea. Perhaps they were all from the same source. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Fat Controller on Wed Jul 08, 2009 6:29 am ArthurK wrote: Brian I was born in Swalwell so I knew the area very well I have photos of the Coke Ovens at Winlaton Mill, formerly Consett Iron Company owned before the NCB took over. The oulet from the Ovens was via Derwenthaugh onto the Blaydon/Dunston line part of the original Newcastle Carlisle railway laid down in 1835. The track from the ovens to Derwenthaugh was laid down around 1715 as a waggonway and part of the 'Western Way'. The train you mention could probably be carrying Coke rather than coal. The tank wagons lend credance to that idea. Perhaps they were all from the same source. I did wonder about the load in those hoppers. I remember the exchange sidings at Derwenthaugh, which lasted until just after the 1984 miners' strike- they're now under IKEA, I believe. From the mid 1970s, until about 1983, there used to be a daily train, on behalf of Cobra, carrying coke to Wakefield. The coke was carried in containers on former Boplate wagons. By the early 1980s, the exchange sidings had acquired loading facilities, and acted as a Disposal Point for opencast coal from the various workings around Greenside and the lower Derwent Valley. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Bob-65B on Wed Jul 08, 2009 7:29 am Phil wrote: The Claytons were regarded (by some) as class 17 nut we don't want to reopen that old wound. Not opening an old wound Phil. But.....When were they ever regarded (by some) as Class 14s? - You've threw me with this one as they were only ever Class 17s surely...... Bob __________________________________________ Comment posted by max stafford on Wed Jul 08, 2009 7:51 am Quite surprised to see Class 17s at work on Tyneside at this early stage, I didn't think they would have arrived until '67 or '68. Excellent photos. Dave. __________________________________________ Comment posted by blueeighties on Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:15 am Fantastic. Do you have any phots from the blue era perchance? Regards Lee __________________________________________ ??? posted on Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:11 pm I must confess my ignorance of Diesel classifications. In those far off days we simply called them Type 1,2 3,4 etc. Claytons were if my memory is correct Type 1s. Please feel free to correct me, if they were class 17s then so be it. About the only ones that I know by these newfangled designations were 08, 37 and 40. Deltics were always just that. and as I said earlier 44s. 45s and 46s were, right or wrong, simply Peaks. I know that I am showing my ignorance here but I did say when I started the Deisel thread that they were not my forte. Lets get back to Steam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! With regard to the blue Diesel period, I probably have a few but quite honestly after the demise of steam my Railway photograhy declined rapidly. I then took to photographing what was left from the earlier period, signal boxes, stations etc. If a Diesel happened to be around then it probably got photographed. I will have a look. I know that there are a few with DMUs, e.g Wylam and Blaydon. About that time I switched to colour prints so that most were then not in slide format. Checked my records. That last black and white I have is 1973. I have a few colour slides of Deisels taken October 1975 and in August 1983. Without checking I the slides I don't know what colour these slides were. When did the Blue era begin? Some of these later photos had the 'going both ways' arrows on the side when was this first used? __________________________________________ Comment posted by Porcy Mane on Wed Jul 08, 2009 3:17 pm Arthur, my modelling era... my modelling area... Absolutely spiffing... Porcy __________________________________________ ??? posted on Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:18 pm Let's have some more steam Low Fell saw a lot of light emgines passing the station site. It was between the sheds of Gateshead and Blaydon and Tyne Yard. Engines were proceding on the up slow to pick up trains or back to the shed having dropped their trains at the yard. The next selection contains examples of these. A1 60121 'Silurian' heading from Gateshead to Tyne Yard. No doubt to pick up a nortbound freight. Motion clearly in reverse gear. Easter 1964 B1 No. 61238 'Leslie Runciman' with a train of 'quad bolsters'. Looks like the shunter has hitched a lift. I don't fancy a ride like that!! Would health and safety allow that today? Easter 1964. A WD in their usual filthy state. Some attempt has been made to clean the number but I still can't read it! Proceding south to Tyne Yard. September 1964 Another Q6 63423 with souhbound minerals. They were usually pretty dirty but you could read the numbers. This one has the style of tender coal rails introduced for some engines in 1917. September 1964. A3 60084 'Trigo' a long time Gateshead engine returning to its home shed. It has lost its nameplate and shed plate. I wonder who got those? September 1964. 'Silurian' again. This time proceding back to shed. The rivetted tender indicates a Doncaster build. September 1964 Q6 Heads a southbond minerals. A very cold day. Taken when returning back to Lancashire after Christmas at the family home in the Northeast. 1964/5 (probably after the New Year). That's about it for Low Fell. You have probaly had enough of it. It was of course a busy location and saw a lot of variety. I will switch to a new loction for the next batch. __________________________________________ Comment posted by micklner on Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:11 pm excellent stuff __________________________________________ Comment posted by Fat Controller on Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:28 pm I wonder if Silurian was ever recorded on the Devonian... __________________________________________ ??? posted on Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:08 pm Porcy Mane wrote: Arthur, my modelling era... my modelling area... Absolutely spiffing... Porcy I assume that 'Porcy Mane' is on lightly veiled reference to Percy Main. If that what you would like to see I have plenty from there and, guess what, they are almost all J27s. That shed always had a stud of 20 of these (and nothing else) throughout the late LNER and BR days and they lasted to the very end. A couple of Q6s did creep in the last few months before closure. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Fat Controller on Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:21 pm ArthurK wrote: Porcy Mane wrote: Arthur, my modelling era... my modelling area... Absolutely spiffing... Porcy I assume that 'Porcy Mane' is on lightly veiled reference to Percy Main. If that what you would like to see I have plenty from there and, guess what, they are almost all J27s. That shed always had a stud of 20 of these (and nothing else) throughout the late LNER and BR days and they lasted to the very end. A couple of Q6s did creep in the last few months before closure. Anything from Blaydon and the Tyne Valley? The last driver to pass out on steam from Blaydon came from the village we lived in (Clara Vale)- in the 1980s, when steam specials started running again, he was almost always the driver, and would lay on extra blasts of the whistle to get the neighbours out to watch him pass. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Porcy Mane on Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:59 pm I assume that 'Porcy Mane' is on lightly veiled reference to Percy Main. Quite correct. If that what you would like to see I have plenty from there and' date=' guess what, they are almost all J27s. That shed always had a stud of 20 of these (and nothing else) throughout the late LNER and BR days and they lasted to the very end. A couple of Q6s did creep in the last few months before closure.[/quote'] That would be very kind but please don't put yourself out. Seems like you were following in the footsteps of Bryce Greenfield with you Low Fell Pics. Did you ever get to Stonebridge (Relly Mill junction) with your camera? Thanks, Porcy __________________________________________ Comment posted by Dampflok on Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:37 pm ArthurK wrote: More at Low Fell As I said earlier my colour slides don't reproduce too well. This was Agfa film and is coming up to 50 years old! This shows Thompson A2 no. 60516 'Hycilla' with freight heading towards Gateshead. By the looks of the coal in the tender it hasn't come too far. Could have oicked up it's train at Tyne Yard a mile to the south. The lines here divide, the slow lines cross over to the main lines whilst the slows themselves swing off to the left past Low Fell Yard to Dunston and Blaydon. Visible in the background is the Team Valley Trading Estate built in the thirties. At the extreme left the Norwood coke ovens can be seen. The hillside in the distant background is Newcastle itself. Some wonderful shots there Arthur, both in colour and B&W and great subjects too! As mentioned by others, it's possible to get pretty good results out of old slides with a bit of help from Photoshop - I hope you won't mind, but I've had a quick go at your shot and corrected the colours to a certain extent, also given it a quick "clean-up". This is quite difficult in a lo-res file,it's better to do it on the original hi-res file, but it might give you some idea of what's possible and it would certainly be worth it with such subject matter! Cheers, Geoff __________________________________________ Comment posted by buckdancer on Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:53 am Thanks Arthur and Geoff! The picture of 61238 is a classic. Your fotopic site looks very interesting Geoff - I'm looking forward to having a bit more of an in depth look through it when the daily chores are done.... __________________________________________ Comment posted by Willster on Thu Jul 09, 2009 7:09 am More lovey photo`s Arthur. Not wanting to hijack the tread, but using this opportunity to ask others more informed than I, `Blue Eighties` asked if any blue diesel photo`s ?. I have thousands both B&W and colour, but I need a scanner that can cope with 35mm and 120 roll film (6x7). If anyone can recommend a `reasonably priced` scanner that can cope with both sizes, then I will investigate and start my own photo thread. (1976-1990`s) I would have enough to start something like a Flickr or Fotopic site also, again, any preferences here ?. Bob __________________________________________ Comment posted by jcb 3c on Thu Jul 09, 2009 7:18 am Great stuff Arthurk , did you ever venture to the South -Middlesbrough Teesside ? __________________________________________ Comment posted by F-UnitMad on Thu Jul 09, 2009 7:38 am Bob-65B wrote: Phil wrote: The Claytons were regarded (by some) as class 17 nut we don't want to reopen that old wound. Not opening an old wound Phil. But.....When were they ever regarded (by some) as Class 14s? - You've threw me with this one as they were only ever Class 17s surely...... Bob I'm not quite sure why it should be "an old wound" either...? Claytons are still known as Class 17... This is a Class 14:- I think I'm right in saying that neither of these classes actually carried TOPS numbers (i.e. 14 xxx or 17 xxx ) under BR, though? Anyway, cracking pictures, especially the colour ones of steam, which always seem a bit special to me, since being born in '67 I have no memories of service Steam... __________________________________________ Comment posted by robertcwp on Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:38 am ArthurK wrote: Deltic heading to Kings Cross. October 1963. Book 7 048_4.jpg The second vehicle is a Mark II corridor first. I don't think these appeared until 1964. The winged thistle headboard was introduced on 9 March 1964. Hence, Spring 1964 is a more likely date. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Thu Jul 09, 2009 2:35 pm I will try to answer a few of the comments posted above. Around the period 1963-1965 I was a bit lax about dating things when I took them. Having moved from the Northeast in 1949 to go to college, I was never permanently re-established there after graduating. I moved to Lancashire to work for English Electric which, after numerous name changes and amalgamations became BeA Systems. Nevertheless after my marriage (my wife is also from the northeast and has never forgiven me for moving down here) we returned north each holiday period, usually three or four times each year so photos became grouped as Easter, Summer, Autumn and Xmas. Rechecking my slides it is most probable that I am a year in error on the Deltic photo It was 1964 rather than 1963. Judging by the foliage of the trees it was probably the Summer. Next, how far did I roam in those days, well I usually sneaked off at weekends leaving the family behind so I couldn't stay away too long. Blaydon and Gateshead were within easy reach, as was Low Fell. On more adventurous occasions Heaton and Percy Main were not too far. That was later stretched to Tyne Dock and Sunderland then in the closing years of steam to North and South Blyth. I also journeyed Westwards along the Tyne valley but that was mostly to photograph the remains of signal boxes, stations etc. Someone mentioned Clara Vale, that was a thriving colliery in my youth and was passed regularly on cycle rides up to Crawcrook then down to Wylam. It made a good day out. There were of course visits to other parts of the country, ECML to London, visits to the Capital from Lancashire on business. especially to Weybridge. I always carried a camera on these visits. I was also able to take in short visits to Kings Cross and (in a whisper) Paddington. But of course I cannot post everything. Most will continue to be in the Northeast but, time permitting, will include other parts ot th ECML. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Thu Jul 09, 2009 2:52 pm just to add to the discussions I offer the following Photo of NCB Deisel No. 4 taken at Ashington August 1973. Is this (showing my ignorance) a type 14? __________________________________________ Comment posted by D6975 on Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:16 pm ArthurK wrote: just to add to the discussions I offer the following Photo of NCB Deisel No. 4 taken at Ashington August 1973. Is this (showing my ignorance) a type 14? Book 9 003_2.jpg It certainly is, NCB Ashington and BSC Corby between them acquired a large chunk of the class 14 fleet after withdrawal. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Porcy Mane on Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:43 pm ArthurK wrote: just to add to the discussions I offer the following Photo of NCB Deisel No. 4 taken at Ashington August 1973. Is this (showing my ignorance) a type 14? A "teady bear". It's Ex BR D9514. Sold to the NCB from Cardiff Canton Depot forty years ago this month. Interestingly enough (well maybe not but linking in with the earlier Clayton Type 1 pixs), the NCB at Ashington must have had problems with their diesels stopping their mineral trains too. They used brake tenders occasionally. Ashingtons brake tenders were ex BR 13ton vacuum fitted open goods wagons. I assume they must have had some form of ballast in them. Like the BR brake tenders the NCB wagons had the legend "Brake tender" written on the drop door. Another smashing photo. Porcy __________________________________________ Comment posted by Porcy Mane on Thu Jul 09, 2009 5:01 pm ArthurK wrote: Lastly in this section another Peak with similar headcode to the previous one. 1965 Book 7 049_1.jpg 1V45 Accoding to the Sept 64 /June 1965 WTT thats the 12:10pm Newcastle>Bristol. __________________________________________ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Colin Posted November 3, 2009 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 3, 2009 I'd just like to add to what others have probably already said - what a wonderfully atmospheric selection of pictures. To be looked at again and again, I think! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ArthurK Posted November 3, 2009 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 3, 2009 Photos From 1960s - NE area by ArthurK original page on Old RMweb __________________________________________ ??? posted on Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:06 pm Visits to Gateshead Moving North from Low Fell I am posting views taken at the West end of Gateshead Shed. The Westmost roundhouse has lost its roof but the inhabitants are still displayed on the radiating roads. This end of the shed was easily accessed from the track up from the side of the Tyne, previously the Redheugh incline but the track was lifted long ago. A steep climb up the ash banks but there it was open to all. The first thre colour slides were taken 20 October 1963. J72 68736 splendid in NER green, NER lining and displaying both the NER and BR crests. Note the York shed plate, its former home. As far as I aware it never lost this although it was at Gateshead for about 18 months. J72s were a long lasting class and the class was added to by the LNER and by BR even though the design dated back to 1898. Here we have two examples of the BR build nos. 69023 (now preserved) and the less fortunate 69028. Gresley Deigned class V3 67636. If I recall correctly this was a long time Blaydon engine used on carriage stock duties between Scotswood Bridge Carriage sidings and Newcastle Central as well as local passenger duties. Another member of the class 67628. At one time it was possible to tell the V1 and V3 apart (the difference was the boiler pressure) by the shape of the steam pipe covers. The original V3s had straight pipes whereas the V1 had the 'bent' style the distinction was often lost when V1s were rebuilt with V3 boilers. This engine was a new 'cop' for me it had arrived at Gateshead after its work in Scotland came to an end. __________________________________________ Comment posted by 34C on Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:41 pm ArthurK wrote: Gresley Articulated Coaches Following on from the comments above. I offer 'Walter K. Whigham' A4 No. 60028. Taken at York May 1962 crossing the diamonds north of York station. At the head of the train is an articulated pair of coaches. The common bogie is right on the edge of the photo. I have blown up the original and as far as I can make out the coach number is 16?30 (could be 3 or 5). i haven't been able to identify this but it is clearly a corridor coach. Any one out there to help with this one? I know that the tourist stock lasted to BR days but those were opens. .. That's the third class end of a steel panelled third/brake third twin, each half of the twin on a 51' underframe. These were built from 1935 for specific services and ran as sets: Brake 3rd/3rd twin; 52'6" Composite; 3rd/Brake 3rd twin. Quite a rarity by 62, it will be heading for the scrapper some day soon... In complete agreement that nothing suited the Deltics so well as the original two-tone green. I was quite dismayed when BR added the yellow panel, which significantly detracted from the original appearance. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sat Jul 11, 2009 8:19 pm More Gateshead A general view of the western end of the shed. To get this meant climbing up a seven-foot wall. That wasn't a problem there were many hand and foot holds worn by the myriads of spotters before then (including me from my mid teens onwards). In this October 1963 view V2s predominate (at least six) but there is also an A2 and V3 in the picture. In the background is the King Edward Bridge which leads nicely to the next three. Which were taken earlier in 1959 Type 4 D209 heads a southbound express from the King Edward Bridge.The bridge had a Y junction at its southern end. Trains could leave the bridge west bound onto the ECML or eastbound past the shed the either the High Level Bridge and hence to Necastle Central or along the south of the Tyne to Tyne Dock and Sunderland. Closely following afterwards A1 60149 ' Amadis' heads a freight. A WD 90172 brings its train from the South onto the Bridge. It will take its load behind the Central Station and along the Northern ECML to Heaton and perhaps beyond. __________________________________________ Comment posted by the penguin of doom on Sat Jul 11, 2009 9:42 pm Love the one of the EE type 4 Arthur. Yes, it was definately Tyne Yard I used to sit by the lineside at. I remember the stretch of line leaving Newcastle Central Southbound, I think the area is Bensham if I remember right. Keep em coming though... Sean. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Phil on Sat Jul 11, 2009 10:27 pm Hi Arthur. Continued thanks for sharing your pics with us. I am struggling with the scenes of express passenger pacifics hauling lowly freight around - just don't seem right !!! Great stuff __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sun Jul 12, 2009 4:24 pm Gateshead Again Sorry for repeating some classes but I think these photographs deserve an airing. Centre is BR built J72 no. 69027, another at its left and to its right one of the last surviving J25s. I think that there were only two left at this time 65727 in the picture and 65645 shown earlier at Low Fell. March 1962. Another J72 68736 Taken the same day as the colour photo among earlier shots. October 1963. A nice shot of V3 67690 Back to back with a sister engine 67628. October 1963. B1 61238 'Leslie Runciman'. Good frontal detail photo. This and the next three photos were taken in March 1964. I apologise for the photo quality. It was a very dark and dismal day. Luckily it was not actually raining and I had to take my chance with these. Yet another J72. This time 69023. Now preserved as 'Joem' Just to show that there were bigger engines around we have 60147 ' Northeastern'. As far as I recall this was always a Gateshead engine. It was the subject of my DJH O gauge kit. A3 'Trigo', this figured among the earlier Low Fell collection. However in this shot it has not yet lost its nameplate or shedplate. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sun Jul 12, 2009 4:29 pm Phil wrote: Hi Arthur. I am struggling with the scenes of express passenger pacifics hauling lowly freight around - just don't seem right !!! Great stuff At this time dieselisation was in full swing. Large Pacifics and V2s were finding less work on Express duties. Relegating them to freight at least prolonged their life for a little while. Not for too long as you will see when I get around to Blaydon. __________________________________________ Comment posted by micknich2003 on Sun Jul 12, 2009 4:41 pm Dear Arthur, thanks for sharing your collection with us. Will you be working south to the Hull sheds? Best Wishes, Mick. __________________________________________ Comment posted by rugd1022 on Sun Jul 12, 2009 4:51 pm Lovely photos Arthur, no need to apologise at all they are all gems worth posting, many thanks for sharing them. The J72s and V3s really hit the spot! Years ago I had a pair of Bachmann V1 / V3s which I detailed and weathered during a brief flirtation with all things 'North Eastern Region', the first locos I'd bought in years actually and your photos make me wish I'd kept them! Still a nice model even now. All the photos I've seen published of 68736 in BR / NER green show it looking filthy around the edges but with the cab and bunker sides wiped over with an oily rag, your photo of it has reminded me that its one of those 'to do' models on an ever growing list. Its one of those locos which pops up in 'Backtrack' and 'Steam Days' magazines now and again, usually in vivid 60s colour. More please chief! Cheers, Nidge __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:14 pm micknich2003 wrote: Dear Arthur, thanks for sharing your collection with us. Will you be working south to the Hull sheds? Best Wishes, Mick. Sorry Mick, my holidays trips to Hull (most of the time was spent trainspotting) ended around 1948 apart from a single visit after marriage around 1956. All I even had then was a Box Brownie and film to us at that time was expensive. I do remember taking a couple of photos at New Holland (one was a D3) but they have long since vanished. The nearest I have to Hull is photos taken at York and also the NYMR but the latter wasn't a real railway. (I am going to get some flak for that remark ). __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:40 pm Here's one I missed earlier We are about done with Gateshead. Time to move elsewhere. I cannot place this in any collection, it is a one off. I was lucky enough to be taking a back road in County Durham (not sure where we were going) when we crossed the Bridge near Pelton. It is here that there is a substantially level section in the climb from the ECML to Consett. Once upon a time there was a small shed here. This Tyne Dock 9F 92065 was tackling the climb with a load of twelve steel minerals (probably Coke) bound for Consett. As you can see that takes a lot of effort. No doubt the driver wants to build up a bit of speed before reaching the steepest part of the journey. As usual when I am taking photographs it was a pretty awful day. I can assure you that it isn't always like that in Durham. Photographers like smoke in their photos and this loco was excelling itself. Not too sue of the date but it was late 1965 or early 1966. Not sure of the box name, could be South Pelaw, No doubt someone out there may know. __________________________________________ Comment posted by 31A on Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:16 pm I think these photographs deserve an airing Glad you think so, Arthur. So do I! __________________________________________ Comment posted by 10800 on Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:32 pm Brilliant collection of atmospheric photos, and some interesting subjects too. Keep 'em coming! __________________________________________ Comment posted by timlewis on Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:50 pm ArthurK wrote: Sorry for repeating some classes but I think these photographs deserve an airing. Centre is BR built J72 no. 69027, another at its left and to its right one of the last surviving J25s. I think that there were only two left at this time 65727 in the picture and 65645 shown earlier at Low Fell. March 1962. Book5 52_5.jpg Fabulous pictures Arthur, more please if you've got them. One minor point, that J25 isn't 65727. Having zoomed in a bit, I reckon it's 65695, which survived until June 1962. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:26 pm timlewis wrote: ArthurK wrote: Sorry for repeating some classes but I think these photographs deserve an airing. Centre is BR built J72 no. 69027, another at its left and to its right one of the last surviving J25s. I think that there were only two left at this time 65727 in the picture and 65645 shown earlier at Low Fell. March 1962. Book5 52_5.jpg Fabulous pictures Arthur, more please if you've got them. One minor point, that J25 isn't 65727. Having zoomed in a bit, I reckon it's 65695, which survived until June 1962. Tim studying the original scan I suspect we are both wrong. The piece of the third number on the cab side doesn't look like the start of a 9 but the last from the smokebox number plate is as you said almost certainly a 5. I believe that it is my old friend 65645 which was definitely at Gateshead at that time. I will do a re-scan and try to get a little more of the cab side I may have cut off a little. __________________________________________ Comment posted by buckdancer on Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:49 am 61238 has a nameplate which would only be visible from a few feet away. I bet when it was named, Mr Runciman (if he was there) would have been a smidge disappointed... Keep up the great work Arthur these photos are priceless! __________________________________________ Comment posted by Willster on Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:10 am Arthur, you fail to dissapoint. These photographs are absolutely superb. Please continue to tease us. Bob __________________________________________ ??? posted on Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:44 pm Which J25 was that at Gateshead I must be a little more careful when I crop a photo. I have re-scanned the photo with the J25 on the right. Lo and behold the whole number is there for all to see. Below is an enlargement with only the J25 visible. It is of course 65645 which also appeared in the Low Fell batch. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:01 pm Blaydon The next batch are from the Blaydon area. Earlier in the Low Fell batch I made reference to the Coke Ovens at Winlaton Mill just about 1 mile away from my home at Swalwell. It is appropriate to include a view of these taken October 1963. The works succumbed to the bulldozers when the collieries in the area closed. The site is now cleared and 'landscaped' The line from the Ovens to Derwenthaugh was operated by the well known Consett Iron Company long boiler/short wheelbase 0-6-0s built by Kitson and duplicated by other builders. I was not fortunate enough to photograph one of those. Instead I took this photo of NCB 'Henry C. Embleton' aroundabout 1965. It was one of those shots where luck was on my side. Just look at the leading wheels. They have just split the switch and well on the way to derailment. The driver was posing nicely for his photograph, completely unaware of what was about to happen. After it came to a standstill his only comment was an excited "did you get it?". I simply replied "Yes I think so" but didn't know then just exactly what I had taken. A once in a lifetime shot! Steam vanished from the line soon afterwards. Next time it was a Hunslet 0-6-0 Diesel. But look at the 21T Mineral behind it. Have you ever seen a cleaner one? Chain Bridge Road leads from Scotswood suspension bridge to Blaydon. This bridge takes the line from the south end of Scotswood railway bridge up the Derwent valley to Consett or to join the line from Blaydon to Dunston. I include this because it frames the sorry state of what was left of the double roundhouse shed on the right once housing 80-90 locos. Nice Ford, I had one similar to that as my first car! Back to real Steam. A Q6 63358 brings a train of hoppers from Dunston. Probably headed to Stella South power station a mile to the west. Unusally this one is in a surprisingly clean condition above the footplate. They plodded on 'til the end of steam in the Northeast. The smokebox doors were more usually well and truly burnt and glowed red when seen in the dark. This one is an exception. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Cheesemonger on Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:07 pm Superb photos. Really enjoyed these. I was brought up in County Durham, my Grandmother lives not far from Pelaw, and my grandparents on the other side lived just up the hill from Tyne Yard, so I'm finding them particularly interesting. Thanks for taking the time to post them. __________________________________________ Comment posted by hmrspaul on Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:14 pm Fat Controller wrote: Some lovely stuff there. With regard to the photo of the Clayton with brake tender- the two tank wagons are probably carrying coal tar distillate from either Norwood Coking Plant, or the one near Swalwell. . Interesting to see two of the BR Bitumen tanks of 1959 working - did the engineers yard at Low Fell have the means to pressure impregnate wooden sleepers with bitumen? Paul York __________________________________________ Comment posted by the penguin of doom on Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:17 pm Some lovely pictures Arthur and having lived in the area for a couple of years, I can relate to some of the areas your'e talking about. I don't know which I like best, the actual photo's or your musings about the time you took them. Keep em coming! Sean. __________________________________________ Comment posted by hmrspaul on Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:19 pm blueeighties wrote: Fantastic. Do you have any phots from the blue era perchance? Regards Lee Are not quite a few of these superb photos from the Blue period - it started in late 1963! Regards Paul __________________________________________ ??? posted on Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:01 pm Blue Diesels Just to keep that man quiet I offer just a few blue things. First two taken 1972, the latter pair in May 1984. All are at Low Fell. Note that the crossover from slow to main has now gone. __________________________________________ Comment posted by swampy on Mon Jul 13, 2009 7:36 pm Great pictures Arthur, they bring back memories of sitting on platform 10 at the Central as a young spotter watching "Little Greenie". Are you planning on posting any from the South Shields area (Tyne Dock and High/South Shields stations, Harton system, the Rattler, pier railway, etc)? I remember waiting for the emus from Shields to Newcastle, seeing Q6s coming off Tyne Dock Shed waiting opposite the Newcastle platform to collect coal from the Deans sidings. Dad used to work as a C&W examiner at the new depot between Felling & Gateshead ( can't remember its proper name), and I used to be allowed to ride up and down on the shunting locos when he took me to work occasionally on his days off. Keep 'em coming! __________________________________________ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ArthurK Posted November 3, 2009 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 3, 2009 Photos From 1960s - NE area by ArthurK original page on Old RMweb __________________________________________ ??? posted on Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:40 pm More from Blaydon First three shots taken within the shed area itself, then we will follow with the sad bits. V2 60865 has a weekend rest surrounded by Diesels. These are mostly 37s but is that a 44/45 lurking behind the brake tender? Early 1963. Two more V2s in simiar repose but with the Diesel surround. The V2 in the foreground is 60877. Next a closeup of 60877. Note the all three of these V2s have received A3 cylinders to peplace the original monoblock cylinder casting of the originals. None of these have received the double chimney. May 1963. Now to the sad bits. These were taken early in 1963, probably Easter. The sidings to the North of the Newcastle-Carlisle line past Blaydon shed became the temporary home of unwanted steam engines. The first shot is a pair of J39s. Blaydon was once home to 30 of these but come the sixties they disappeared almost overnight. The size or former importance made little difference. Here V2 60964 awaits its fate. Behind another J39. Another shot of J39 64942. No doubt I am too late here but I will correct my mistake and hope that no one noticed. 60078 is of course Night Hawk and not Fairway as I posted earlier. The mistake arose because Fairway was in the lineup or another occasion. Once mighty A3 60078 Night Hawk Behind Night Hawk is the tender of an A2 and behind that Thompson A2 60511 Airbourne. It seemed that Heaton and Gateshead were being purged of steam. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Fat Controller on Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:51 pm I'd never thought of Blaydon having large main-line engines working from it- what workings would these have covered? Would they have been Tyne Yard workings, as I don't think Tyne Yard had a 'proper' shed, but just limited fuelling and inspection facilities? That's definitely a BR Type 4 1Co-Co1 behind the brake tender- I have a feeling that the loco immediately behind it on that track is one of the English Electric equivalents, rather than a Type 3. The ex-LNER steel high has a wonderful load of 'ash' in it, though a lot looks more like the claggy bits of clinker that come from firebox bottoms- usually after someone's put too much coal on. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:57 pm Fat Controller wrote: I'd never thought of Blaydon having large main-line engines working from it- what workings would these have covered? Would they have been Tyne Yard workings, as I don't think Tyne Yard had a 'proper' shed, but just limited fuelling and inspection facilities? That's definitely a BR Type 4 1Co-Co1 behind the brake tender- I have a feeling that the loco immediately behind it on that track is one of the English Electric equivalents, rather than a Type 3. The ex-LNER steel high has a wonderful load of 'ash' in it, though a lot looks more like the claggy bits of clinker that come from firebox bottoms- usually after someone's put too much coal on. At about this time Gateshead was being restructured from a steam shed to a Diesel shed. Perhaps that is why so mant Diesels were present at Blaydon. As far as I am aware it didn't have very much in the way of facilities for these. On the other hand Blaydon was often used as an outpost of Gateshead shed, perhaps because of overcrowding there. V2s and Pacifics were commonly serviced at Blaydon. Even A4s were not unknown. At the time the photos were taken I doubt if Blaydon had many (if any) workings left. The shed was to disappear completely within the next couple of years. See the earlier photo of the remains. Footnote 60877 carries a 50A (York) shedplate. That on 60865 is either 52A (Gateshead) or 52B (Heaton). Heaton was closed in June 1963. Remaining engines were transferred to Gateshead. __________________________________________ Comment posted by CUTLER2579 on Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:54 pm The size or former importance made little difference. Here V2 60964 awaits its fate. Behind another J39. Book 6 1_4.jpg (57.88 KiB) Viewed 49 times Arthur, I am not being a nit picker and so am sorry to disagree but by this time 60964 had the outside steam pipes from the replacement of the monoblock, so I think you may find that this is 60934. However it is very good of you to take the time and trouble to share your lovely photographs with us and I am sure I am not alone in these views. Whilst on the subject I am sure you know that 60078 was in fact "Night Hawk". Kind Regards. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:43 pm CUTLER2579 wrote: The size or former importance made little difference. Here V2 60964 awaits its fate. Behind another J39. Book 6 1_4.jpg (57.88 KiB) Viewed 49 times Arthur, I am not being a nit picker and so am sorry to disagree but by this time 60964 had the outside steam pipes from the replacement of the monoblock, so I think you may find that this is 60934. However it is very good of you to take the time and trouble to share your lovely photographs with us and I am sure I am not alone in these views. Whilst on the subject I am sure you know that 60078 was in fact "Night Hawk". Kind Regards. I knew I wouldn't be quick enough I posted a correction before I read your comments. The V2 is of course 60934. Must be finger trouble with the keyboard. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Wed Jul 15, 2009 3:44 pm Blaydon Scrap Line Just to complete the above withdrawn locos. The identifiable locos are (left to right) are: J39 64942, J39 647??, V2 60934, J39 64921, A3 60072 "Sunstar", A3 60078 "Night Hawk", A2 60539 "Bronzino" and A2 60511 "Airborne". There was a second scrap line at Blaydon this was located at the sidings to the North of the exit from Scotswood Bridge. This involved a rough walk to get to it. When I visited it in May 1963 there were four J39s stored there. Three of these were 64860, 64936, and 44865. We will move on the happier times. Newcastle next stop. __________________________________________ Comment posted by 26power on Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:16 am Interesting pictures and thread - not always just the loco. Think it's the first time I've seen Clayton's with brake tenders - not one picture but two! The first picture at Gateshead (below, hopefully) - is that the bottom of the frame? That partial view of a crane is tantalising! If there is more to see a further scan/post would be great. Regardless, thanks for posting. Cheers, 26power ArthurK wrote: More Gateshead A general view of the western end of the shed. To get this meant climbing up a seven-foot wall. That wasn't a problem there were many hand and foot holds worn by the myriads of spotters before then (including me from my mid teens onwards). In this October 1963 view V2s predominate (at least six) but there is also an A2 and V3 in the picture. In the background is the King Edward Bridge which leads nicely to the next three. Which were taken earlier in 1959 Book 6 54_2.jpg __________________________________________ Comment posted by blueeighties on Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:11 am Thanks for posting a couple of 'blues', muchly appreciated Regards Lee __________________________________________ Comment posted by Ruston on Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:23 am ArthurK wrote: First two taken 1972, the latter pair in May 1984. All are at Low Fell. Note that the crossover from slow to main has now gone. What is the black and white tank thing in the background? There used to be one at Healey Mills, twice the size of that but painted the same and everything. I never found out what it was for. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Fat Controller on Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:28 am Looks like gas for point heaters, or possibly compressed air for pneumatic point motors- I can't remember what system was used before the resignalling in 1991. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Pennine MC on Thu Jul 16, 2009 9:36 am But look at the 21T Mineral behind it. Have you ever seen a cleaner one? Shildon pattern rebody - didnt have far to come Excellent pics Arthur, thank you __________________________________________ ??? posted on Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:52 pm 26power wrote: Interesting pictures and thread - not always just the loco. Think it's the first time I've seen Clayton's with brake tenders - not one picture but two! The first picture at Gateshead (below, hopefully) - is that the bottom of the frame? That partial view of a crane is tantalising! If there is more to see a further scan/post would be great. Regardless, thanks for posting. Cheers, 26power Sorry but that is the bottom of the frame in the photo 'over the wall' of Gateshead shed. It seems that most of the local Claytons were coupled with Brake tenders. I saw others but didn't photograph all of them. There were some steep gradients in Co. Durham. It used to be Q6 country whilst the smaller J27s were mostly to be found around the coastal areas and along the river valleys. One notable exception was the climb to Silksworth Colliery usually under taked by sunderland J27s. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:58 pm "Ruston What is the black and white tank thing in the background? There used to be one at Healey Mills, twice the size of that but painted the same and everything. I never found out what it was for. I had always assumed that it was a storage tank for Propane but feel free to correct me if I am wrong. It first appeared around 1964/5, the station buildings having been demolished about that time. I certainly was not there when I was photographing in the period before 1964. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:00 pm Newcastle To start off this section we have three photos of the J72 station pilots. The first two were taken in 1963 (March and June), the last in March 1962 at the same time as the black and white shots below. As was usual in my photographic outing the weather wasn't very kind. Viewed from the vantage point outside the station J72 68723 shunts its train. In the background is the Robert Stephenson Hawthorn Works on Forth Banks. These had an access to the BR lines via the Lines to the south of Central Station. The second taken from the same viewpoint but directed into Central station is of J72 69023 built by BR to the 1898 design. It is of course now preserved as "Joem". The last of the three is J72 68723 again. This time photographed from inside the station. __________________________________________ Comment posted by twa_dogs on Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:20 pm Wow. Just look at the wealth of background detail in those colour shots. I wonder what ever happened to those pattern platform lamps. Don't apologise for the weather. You made fair exposures for flat weather that hold the atmosphere of the place. It annoys me that so many people think the only good photo is one in bright sun. Sometimes atmosphere is a little more subtle and sometimes things have to wait for their time to roll round. Keep 'em coming and thanks for sharing. __________________________________________ Comment posted by rugd1022 on Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:40 pm Absolute gems once again Arthur, many thanks for continuing to post them. 68723 must have stood out like sore thumb amongst the mucky Q6s and J27s back then! Looking at the second photo of 69023, its nice to see some tantalising glimpses of the 'tangerine' North Eastern Region enamel signs and the blue / cream (or is it white?) colour scheme on the wooden buildings and roof supports Spot on. Cheers, Nidge __________________________________________ ??? posted on Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:20 pm More Newcastle At the risk of duplication I add two more shots of 68723 and an A4 60014. These were taken on a Sunday in March 1962. It was the end of the Easter holiday which we had spent in the North east. I was to attend a course in London that week so I left my wife and daughter in the Northeast and looked forward to a trip on the ECMLto London, a thing which I had rarely done. I was looking to a good journey behind the A4 but I was to by very disappointed after all it was a Sunday. Engineering works north of Darlington meant a detour. Not sure where we went, off the main line some where around Ferryhill then in seemed close to Stockto before turning back to enter Darington. An incredibly slow journey. Even the the rest of the journey to Grantham was anything but sparkling, perhaps "Silver Link" was not in good fettle. From Grantham "Centenary" took over and things did improve a little. Enough of that, back to the photos. 68723 Picks up an LNER Long CCT. Lots of station detail in this shot 68723 now well back into the parcels bay. Metro Cammell DMU at (if I remember correctly) platform 15 with a Hexham destination. After the comfort of Gresley and NER coaches my first trips to Carlisle in these was a eye-opener. Comfortable they were not! A4 60014 "Siver Link", the very first, stands at Platform 10 with my London train. Shedplate shows 34A but its not going that far. At that time it was usual to have an engine change at Grantham. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sat Jul 18, 2009 7:23 pm Newcastle West End To wind up this photo sequence of the west end of Newcastle Central I offer these later ones dated 14th Aug 1967. Things have changed. The J72s have now gone In their place a Diesel Shunter D2314. I suppose we ought to be thankful it nearly has a chimney! Also on the goods lines Diesels here have also taken over. D5062 heads what appears to be an engineers train (the front of a ballast wagon is just visible behind the guards van). For the next session we will move to the east end. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Fat Controller on Sat Jul 18, 2009 7:32 pm Not sure if that van's an LNER long CCT, as the ones I remember had a row of toplights between the side doors, rather than ventilation louvres, whilst the springs were outside the axleguards, rather than behind as they seem to be in this one. __________________________________________ Comment posted by jwealleans on Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:26 am It's one of the 4 wheel vans built for the GE section in (IIRC) the early 30s. There were, I think, 2 diagrams and this is the Milk version with all the ventilation. I don't have diagram numbers to hand but D & S used to do a kit for it. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:22 pm Of course you are both correct. I glimpsed at the photo saw it was four wheeled with three doors and CCT was uppermost in my mind. It is as Jonathan points out one of the Stratford built diagram 86/87. the latter were, if I remember correctly, designated for milk traffic. I am not sure how long it continued into BR days but there was a lot of milk traffic coming into Newcastle from Hexham, Carlisle and Penrith. In Pre-war days these consisted of a mix of LMS and LNER (NER) vans, eight in all. This would almost certainly use the platforms at the west end of Central. Perhaps the van in question was on this traffic. The photo being taken 40+ years ago I don't remember what other vans, if any, were behind the first. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Mallard60022 on Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:52 pm Arthur, having just taken a field trip to Newcastle to research the Quayside branch (remains if any) and having not really been to Central since 1962, these pics are such a great memory jogger. Just love the Q6s as I am mid completion of Dave Alexander + 51L chassis in EM Thanks. Sincerely, Phil R __________________________________________ ??? posted on Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:17 pm Mallard60022 wrote: Arthur, having just taken a field trip to Newcastle to research the Quayside branch (remains if any) and having not really been to Central since 1962, these pics are such a great memory jogger. Just love the Q6s as I am mid completion of Dave Alexander + 51L chassis in EM Thanks. Sincerely, Phil R Newcastle Quayside Phil, this is a bit out of sequence but since you are interested in the Quayside I will include this one now. I didn't often get to the Quayside after I left the area so I was not able to photograph the Electrics there. I was very surprised, and very lucky, when I did visit in May 1963 to find J72 69024 at work (in fact resting) down there. Regarding the Q6s I must have many more photographs of those any other LNER class although the J27 is not far behind. There will be more of those when We visit Percy Main, Blyth and Tyne Dock. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:06 pm Newcastle East Now to get back to schedule. We move to the east end of Newcastle and what better viewpoint is there than The top of the castle keep. First shot is of course the magnificent crossing leading the north and east and to the south via the High Level Bridge. The lines to the east and north dwindle to just four tracks east of the castle. Those across the High Level Bridge become three. Starting from the right is a parcels bay (un-numbered) then platforms 1,2 and 3 which took the electrc trains to and from the coast. An electric stands in 3. Next platforms 4 & 5 which usually served served traffic to the north but could also serve trains to Sunderland and south Durham. There is a Type 4 in platform 4. The next two are 6 & 7 These were the main platforms normally used by trains to south Shields, Sunderland and Middlesborough. The electrics to South Shields normally used platforms 4 & 5 are were run using the original NER elliptic roofed stock. My happiest memories were seeing the platforms 4 to 7 filled with electrics G5s, A8s and V1/V3s. Those were the days. It wasn't unusal on busy weekends to have to queue for the trains to Tynemouth and Whitley Bay. Sometime that queue could be 400 yards long. Back to the picture, platform 8 was the first through platform and was bi-directional. Next we have 9 and 10. The station south wall made up the side of 10. Outside the south wall of the station were four (?) goods lines. used by all ECML through goods traffic as well as the local freight trains, full and empty. In the usual resting point for the station pilot a Diesel shunter awaits its next task. A few years earlier this would have been a J72 or a J71. Alas most of this is now gone. Platform 1-5 are gone with the roof demolished. Not sure about 6 & 7. An extra platform has been added to the south. The crossing has been vandalised and is a shadow of it's former self. There are now just two tracks across the High Level Bridge. Here we have a two coach DMU probably with a South shields train. This service has been replaced by the Tyneside Metro services. In the Y junction at the end of the bridge can be seen the twin stations Gateshead East and Gateshead West. In the centre background is the former locomotive works of the NER. A K1 2=6-0 takes a train of empty steel hoppers eastwards. This is 62012. Lastly in this group a Deltic brings in an Edinburgh train, resplendent in two tone green but with yellow nose patch. In the distance beyond the second gantry Manors station can be seen. Here the line forked, left to the North Tyneside loop, whilst the Main lines continued to Heaton where they branched again, right to the coast and left to Morpeth and the north. __________________________________________ Comment posted by the penguin of doom on Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:30 pm Completely atmospheric shots Arthur. Great stuff, of course, I have to say the deltic one is my favourite...... Keep em coming. Sean. __________________________________________ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ArthurK Posted November 3, 2009 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 3, 2009 Photos From 1960s - NE area by ArthurK original page on Old RMweb __________________________________________ ??? posted on Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:51 pm Heaton Moving east from Newcastle we pass through Byker. A little to the east of Heaton and Byker Station we come to Heaton Shed. Formerly this was second only to Gateshead as a stabling point for the major traffic on the ECML. The shed was finally closed in 1963 when all remaining locos were moved to Gateshead. The first set are taken in Jan 1962. In this first shot B1 61019 Nilghai arrives with empty minerals. Two photos of V1/V3 67642 For the diesel lovers amongst you D177 is for you. Diesel shunter D2339 awaits its next call. Note the Brake Tender behind it. These were common in the Norteast at that time. Having dropped its train 61019 moves off alone. __________________________________________ Comment posted by 31A on Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:31 pm Some more wonderfully atmospheric pictures Arthur! Interesting to see a couple of NCB wagons in the sidings in the background behind D2339 - I would have thought they would have been 'internal user' wagons - I wonder how they got there? __________________________________________ Comment posted by CHRIS LNER on Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:37 pm Hello Arthur Ive just found this and Im really enjoying looking though it, there is some really inspiring stuff . keep it coming. regards Chris __________________________________________ Comment posted by mines a pint on Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:49 pm Brilliant thread- love it all whether steam or diesel! helped me put together a few of the steam types that I have 'book pics' of on the Northumbrian branches very handy for detail pics! __________________________________________ Comment posted by Fat Controller on Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:26 pm 31A wrote: Some more wonderfully atmospheric pictures Arthur! Interesting to see a couple of NCB wagons in the sidings in the background behind D2339 - I would have thought they would have been 'internal user' wagons - I wonder how they got there? They may have been new wagons, or wagons coming from the big regional NCB workshops near Durham, in either case travelling under special dispensation. The selection of loco coal wagons is interesting as well- at least one ex-GWR one there. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Tue Jul 28, 2009 2:11 pm NCB Wagons Yes those are NCB wagons in the background. At least three, the third can be seen though the window of D2239. They all look brand new. I have added a blow-up of these. You can nearly read the markings. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Fat Controller on Tue Jul 28, 2009 2:26 pm ArthurK wrote: NCB Wagons Yes those are NCB wagons in the background. At least three, the third can be seen though the window of D2239. They all look brand new. I have added a blow-up of these. You can nearly read the markings. Book 6 5_4_2.jpg They look like the slope-sided 16t minerals that had been introduced from the early 1940s, and which BR were disposing of during the period in question. Perhaps these had been sold on to the NCB and fettled up? __________________________________________ ??? posted on Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:27 pm More Heaton First two diesel shunters D2045 and D2322. My knowledge of diesels is pretty limited. I prefer the one with the 'steam loco' chinmey We cannot leave Heaton without a picture of the NER Bo-Bo Electric shunters built for the steeply graded line from the Trafalgar yard to the Quayside at Newcastle. This had been operated by various steam locos before 1904. There were always complaints of the smoke conditions in the tunnel and no doubt full regulator would be used on the return trip from the quayside. Lastly in this group V2 60865 is hauled away by an O8 shunter and behind is D5150. Date Aug 1964. Heaton shed was closed by this time but it was used for storage. The condition of the V2 looks good on the ouside. Probably on its way to Gateshead, it was withdrawn in June 1965. This was the same V2 as in the Blaydon selection in early 1963. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Arpster on Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:42 pm Wonderful photos, Arthur. I live in the houses visible in the background of your Heaton photos and I'd give anything to see the view in your pictures on the way to work! Looking forward to the next installment. __________________________________________ Comment posted by mikemeg on Tue Jul 28, 2009 3:51 pm What a joy this thread is. For someone who can remember this shed in the late fifties/early sixties these photos stir so many memories, though I only visited the place three times and always on a sunday when the place was packed to the rafters and many of the locos were awaiting lighting up for monday morning. Whenever I see these wonderful black and white photos, I am reminded of the words of one of the great railway photographers of the 40's and 50's, though I can't remember which one. Anyway he extolled anyone who had photographic records of those days to 'treasure those photos for they can never be taken again'. Mike __________________________________________ ??? posted on Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:53 pm Thanks for the compliments Mike. I only wish I had had a camera earlier. I did have a Kodak Box Brownie with which I photograghed K1 62021 when it first arrived at Blaydon. I just can't bear to think of all the things that I could have photographed, most of the elderly NER types were all around me I have literally hundreds of photographs mostly 35mm Black and White, but latterly (if you can call the 1960s that) some in colour. My first true railway photographs were taken about 1956 and were believe it or not taken in GWR territory during a holiday in Penzance. Following that I have some at Euston and Carlisle. Needless to say there are very many taken during work related travel to London and Weybridge. On the London visits I did get to Kings Cross a few times and was lucky enough to photograph a "baby" Deltic and the protoype "Falcon" as well as a lovely brand new two tone green Brush 47. I also had one visit to Liverpool Street but the light was pretty low, well into dusk. Even Paddington got a couple of visits. I have often wondered what to do with all of these and set about computerising them all. I guess I am about 90% there now. Many of the photos deserve a wider audiance than I can give them, if only for their historical value. I have always been a enthusiast of the LNER (and especially NER) and I am pleased that RMWEB has provided an outlet for some of these. I am pleased that you are enjoying my offerings, that is all I ask. Feel free to correct any errors in my captions. It was a long time ago. One last word, why coudn't I have had a camera to record the Coronation passing over the Border Bridge in 1938, not to mention the lowly railcar "Royal Charlotte". But then I was only seven. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Adam on Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:13 pm Fat Controller wrote: ArthurK wrote: NCB Wagons Yes those are NCB wagons in the background. At least three, the third can be seen though the window of D2239. They all look brand new. I have added a blow-up of these. You can nearly read the markings. Book 6 5_4_2.jpg They look like the slope-sided 16t minerals that had been introduced from the early 1940s, and which BR were disposing of during the period in question. Perhaps these had been sold on to the NCB and fettled up? Hi Brian That would be my supposition too. Quite a few of these early 16 tonners were sold on to the NCB and several collieries in the NE appear to have acquired these as part of modernisation processes. There are some good photos of similar wagons at Bates Colliery on the River Blyth in Malcolm Castledine's Industrial Railways in Northumberland and County Durham in the Latter days of Steam (pp. 33-6). Not just steels but RCH type wooden minerals, usually replanked without the side doors. Would Shildon be a likely outfit to have done this work? Some exceptionally interesting subjects amongst this collection. Thanks Arthur. Adam EDIT - My belief is that the lettering on the RH side says 'Internal Use Only' btw. __________________________________________ Comment posted by jcb 3c on Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:31 am Arthur, having just taken a field trip to Newcastle to research the Quayside branch (remains if any) and having not really been to Central since 1962, these pics are such a great memory jogger. Just love the Q6s as I am mid completion of Dave Alexander + 51L chassis in EM I've a few pics of the quayside in 1991 ,At the time they were filling up the old railway tunnel and knocking down the remaining goods office. The tunnel was in good order and the contractor had men working who had driven lorries the full length in the past. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Porcy Mane on Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:44 pm ArthurK wrote: [Lastly in this group V2 60865 is hauled away by an O8 shunter and behind is D5150. Date Aug 1964. Heaton shed was closed by this time but it was used for storage. The condition of the V2 looks good on the ouside. Probably on its way to Gateshead, it was withdrawn in June 1965. This was the same V2 as in the Blaydon selection in early 1963. Once again, luvery pics Aurthur. BR steam shed Allocation gives 60865 as Heaton from 12.62-6.63 then Gateshead 6.63 till withdrawn as you say 6.65. It adds the note that "Heaton continued to service steam loco's until official closure on 29.8.64." I wonder how close your pic was to the 29th? Your pics has also settled an"Debate" about Heaton that has been niggling me and a mate for the past couple of years. First shot at top of this page. "Needlers Chocolate", my mate said, "Rowntrees". So now we're wondering did the Rowntree's factory at Fawdon make chocolate for Needlers. And you mentioned Penzance. Can we have alook at those as well please. I spent a lot of time in the Sixties and Seventies down there. The family lived in the coastguard station that was virtually directly above the station. Great stuff Porcy __________________________________________ ??? posted on Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:01 pm Porcy Mane wrote: ArthurK wrote: [Lastly in this group V2 60865 is hauled away by an O8 shunter and behind is D5150. Date Aug 1964. Heaton shed was closed by this time but it was used for storage. The condition of the V2 looks good on the ouside. Probably on its way to Gateshead, it was withdrawn in June 1965. This was the same V2 as in the Blaydon selection in early 1963. Once again, luvery pics Aurthur. BR steam shed Allocation gives 60865 as Heaton from 12.62-6.63 then Gateshead 6.63 till withdrawn as you say 6.65. It adds the note that "Heaton continued to service steam loco's until official closure on 29.8.64." I wonder how close your pic was to the 29th? Your pics has also settled an"Debate" about Heaton that has been niggling me and a mate for the past couple of years. First shot at top of this page. "Needlers Chocolate", my mate said, "Rowntrees". So now we're wondering did the Rowntree's factory at Fawdon make chocolate for Needlers. And you mentioned Penzance. Can we have alook at those as well please. I spent a lot of time in the Sixties and Seventies down there. The family lived in the coastguard station that was virtually directly above the station. Great stuff Porcy Where do I start and stop with this thread. My intention was to give my better Northeast area photos an airing I will be moving east from Heaton to Percy Main and Blyth, then south of the Tyne to Tyne Dock and Sunderland. After that it's anyones guess. I could follow the ECML to London, which I will probably do. Beyond that it is probably by request. There are only five of Penzance plus one one Brunel's Tamar Bridge taken from the train on the way back to London. Checking my records the Date of the V2 being hauled away was infact September probably early in the month. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Sharpwit on Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:58 pm Arthur These pictures are great. I love the Q6s and D2060 at Low Fell signal-box, the shot of B1 61238 at Gateshead, and those of the 9F on the Consett coal-haul -- clearly washing didn't tend to get hung out in back gardens back then -- the trainless Chain Bridge Road rail-bridge shot even, and 69024 down at Spillers Mill... and then you throw in no fewer than FOUR distinct-pattern 21T hoppers in just those two shots of NER Bo-Bo 26501, and one of them's a MoT! Wow! Arthur, really, you are spoiling us..! ArthurK wrote: Where do I start and stop with this thread... "Stop..." ?!! Oh not yet, surely no : more coal trains, please... -- John __________________________________________ Comment posted by buckdancer on Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:31 am Arthur you are a legend! I'd forgotten I spent a day with my brother and some pals spotting near Heaton in the early 70s. No steam by then of course, but still a fascinating place. Thanks for bringing that back as I recognise the background to some of your photos. It was a fine sunny day then as it was every day in those times! __________________________________________ Comment posted by jjones231072 on Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:41 am Arthur, as a NE native I am thoroughly enjoying this thread. It is a period before I was born but one that I model, so of immense interest. I look forward to any shots you have of Wearside but any of the NER region will be gratefully received. Thanks, Jonathan __________________________________________ Comment posted by TomTank on Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:25 am Really wonderful photographs. Thanks for sharing something I was never able to see being too young. Many Thanks Tom __________________________________________ ??? posted on Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:48 pm Percy Main I am pleased that my offerings appear to be well received. I will now move onto Percy Main. Percy main was forever associated with the J27, at least in LNER days. There was always a stud of twenty of these sturdy locos based there. Late in BR days a couple of Q6s appeared but these were not long at the shed. One Q6 does appear in the first batch. The shed was solely the base for locos hauling mineral trains over the flatter parts of the Tyneside area. They was resposible for various trips along the Tyne Valley through Blaydon up to Haltwhistle to pick up trains on the Alston branch. However their main work was done in the SE of the Northumberland coalfield hauling their laden trains from the collieries to staithes in the North bank of the Tyne, especially those located around Whitehill Point. The first two shots show 65821 having a well earned Sunday rest. The J27 were rarely seen in a clean condition but they were servicable and lasted until the very end of steam in the Northeast. There is a Q6 lurking behind. It has the larger tender. Note the piles and ashes simply left scattered around. Part of the shed itself had lost its roof by this time and afforded little protection for the inmates. In all it had a very run-down appearance. Sister engine 65825 also at rest. The date was October 1963. Another view of 65825 with 65831 behind. A Q6 on the left.The part of the shed still having a roof houses another J27. 65821 again with Q6 behind. The date has changed but it is another Sunday everyone is having the day off. I have this down as January 1962. 65842 leads three others with at least another two on the right. Note the turntable at bottom right in the second of these. Viewed from another angle 65842 again. this shot and the next show the near derilect state of the shed buildings __________________________________________ Comment posted by Porcy Mane on Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:36 pm ArthurK wrote: I am pleased that my offerings appear to be well received. I will now move onto Percy Main. Brilliant. A photogenic but rarely photographed railway backwater. Porcy __________________________________________ Comment posted by Willster on Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:24 am Hello Arthur, As has already been said both by me and everyone else on here, these photographs are an absolute delight to see. Please keep going, don`t stop. They are so full of atmosphere ! If there is anyone, anyone at all, that walks away from this thread, and does not fully take stock of what you have supplied in inspiration and atmosphere, and then not be able to apply it to their own models/layouts, then in my book, these people are not true `Railway Modellers`, they would be toy train/trainset boys. If you study any one of the photo`s, the brain cannot take it all in ,in one go. Each time you revisit the same picture, something else leaps out at you. For years I have collect photographs from the Neville Stead Collection and a few others, but when they started to dry up, I often thought how nice it would be to discover some new photo`s taken by someone who never thought to make theirs public. They stir so many memories, like has been mentioned by the `Needlers chocolate`. Unreal, unbelievable, uncompromising, and unforgettable. You are a true gentlemen Arthur. Thankyou for allowing us to see these. I think I can speak for us all that we are,......in-debt to you Sir, especially in these difficult times. Bob __________________________________________ ??? posted on Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:25 pm Percy Main - At Work So far my visits to this shed have been on Sunday mornings when all the locos were at rest. However, come Monday, they were all back at work. I was fortunate to spend one day (probably no more than an hour) when this was happening and I was surprised at just how busy it was. Trains to and from the staithes and not all mineral trains (loaded and empty). No doubt the wagon enthusiasts amongst you will note the variety around at that time. As always the locos did not look very well kept but they were hard at work. First 65821whichg we saw earier at rest is now back to work. With only a guard's van in tow it is on its way to pick up a train of empties. Two shots of 65858 running light. Soon afterwards it returns with a Bogie flat and a selection of vans. 65825 with Van, sorry I dont have the rest of the train. The building to the right of the tender is a second shed building, rather less decrepit the others. 65821 back again this time having collected empty steel hoppers and heading back to the colliery. As 5821 departs sister engine 65831 arrives with a loaded train bound for the staithes. You may have noticed in the background that other J27s are being prepared for work. In the last two there is a good view of the turntable. That concludes our visit to Percy Main, next stop Blyth. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:25 pm Percy Main not sue what happened to this post but the correct one is above. __________________________________________ Comment posted by jwealleans on Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:29 pm That's some sort of foreign van with 65825, is it not, Arthur? __________________________________________ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ArthurK Posted November 3, 2009 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 3, 2009 Photos From 1960s - NE area by ArthurK original page on Old RMweb __________________________________________ Comment posted by Fat Controller on Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:33 pm jwealleans wrote: That's some sort of foreign van with 65825, is it not, Arthur? I'm not Arthur, but it is a Ferry van...It's one of the post 1960, and looking at the ridged roof and the arrangement of the vents, I'd venture a guess that it was an SJ (Swedish Railways) one. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:54 pm jwealleans wrote: That's some sort of foreign van with 65825, is it not, Arthur? I am not well up on vans but looks like you have got your answer __________________________________________ Comment posted by jwealleans on Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:55 pm Comparing to a photo in an article by Paul Bartlett (HMRS Journal 16 No. 6), you're exactly right, Brian. If this is early 1962 it must have been brand new, according to the implication of Paul's article. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sat Aug 01, 2009 7:51 pm Fat Controller wrote: I'm not Arthur, but it is a Ferry van...It's one of the post 1960, and looking at the ridged roof and the arrangement of the vents, I'd venture a guess that it was an SJ (Swedish Railways) one. If it is Swedish it is a long way from home. Did the Newcastle - Norway ferry carry railway vecicles at that time? That might explain its presence. Percy Main is just a stone's throw away from the Tyne Commission Quay where the ferry docked. __________________________________________ Comment posted by simon hudson on hudson</STRONG> on Sat Aug 01, 2009 9:51 pm Fantastic photographs, can't wait for some Wearside, ones hopefully some of Seaton bank and around Seaham. Being an ex pat from gods country now living in North Wales, lovely and evocative shots. Re the NCB wagons I suspect they may have been refurbished at Seaham's NCB wagon works I know they refurbished most of the cooliery wagons I recall around 1964 -65 seeing at least 2 rakes of Lambton hoppers 1 on its way through seaham station to the works and 1 out of the works towards Sunderland Cheers and again thanks for the wonderful photos Si __________________________________________ Comment posted by pointstaken on Sat Aug 01, 2009 10:34 pm ArthurK wrote: I am pleased that you are enjoying my offerings, that is all I ask. We are indeed enjoying (and appreciating) them, Arthur. Grateful thanks for all your efforts in putting them on the forum. Dennis __________________________________________ Comment posted by CHRIS LNER on Sat Aug 01, 2009 10:44 pm Hello Arthur, Great photos keep them coming, their really useful to me seeing as its my era. many regards Chris __________________________________________ Comment posted by buckdancer on Sun Aug 02, 2009 2:32 am More classics Arthur! These series of photos give a real feel for operations at a shed I never visited (at least I don't remember visiting). Engines setting out to work for the day. I don't think I've seen the like of this in any of the books or mags I have - and I've got thousands (according to the missus anyway) - so bl**dy well done! It also takes me back to one afternoon after school early sixties when a schoolmate and I made our usual trip down to Bescot shed before heading home. It was the day or day after Bescot's shed code changed and there were light engines seemingly coming from all directions. We imagined that the shed was calling in it's engines to change the shed plates but of course that would probably be done routinely. But we got a real feel for a shed and it's engines coming home from work that day. Keep up your brilliant work.... __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:21 pm North Blyth As promised we will move on to North Blyth. It was tucked away behind the staithes on the North bank of the river Blyth. In their heyday these staithes exported a tremendous amount of coal from the Northumberland coalfield as did their twin staithes on the south bank. There were two sheds, one to serve each set of staithes North and South Blyth 52F. both sheds shared the same shedcode. The staithes themselves were worked by the long lived J77 0-6-0 tanks. Both sheds had allocations of these. Unfortunately these had gone by the time that I got there, all that I found were O8 diesels. Coal was brought to the staithes by the trusty J27s (what else), but latterly Q6s and K1s appeared as did the BR 4MTs. The first engine to greet me when I entered via the main road entrance was K1 62024. This engine was one of ten delivered new from the North British Loco Works in Glasgow to the Blaydon Shed. They were a pretty sight when first delivered. Rounding the corner of the shed the next loco was J27 65879 being prepared for its next duties. Beyond the coaling stage two Q6s were also being prepared. These were 63362 and 63386. No one seemed to bother that I was there. The locomen simply ignored that fact that I was there. Forgive me for showing several shots of these they were one of my favourite NER locos. A closer view of the cylinders and rods of 63386. As you will note the slidebars are not simply rods protruding from the back of the cylinders. They are attached via a very meaty casting. Usually there were odd wagons scattered around the shed yard as this ex NER tender shows. It is one of the none self trimming types altough I think that it is of 4125 gallon capacity qand as it was in a very faded green may hve come from one of the Atlantics. I never thought to photgraph the wagon behind, it appears to be a crane wagon. Also next to the shed I found this ex NER 6 wheel stores van. In front of it is a clutter of bits ranging from W-irons to what appears to be a row of wagon buffers and also axle boxes and a spring. Good atmosphere for that shed scene that you have always wanted. Much better than the rusty wheels commonly seen on models. __________________________________________ Comment posted by 34C on Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:07 pm That 'closer view of the cylinders and rods of 63386' is great. Just look at the very clean exterior design, it's so plain and austere. Love the dings in the boiler cladding and handrail, always find myself wondering how damage like that got caused, and whether anyone got hauled over the coals for it... Yet another feature very difficult to model so that it looks right. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Mallard60022 on Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:19 am ArthurK wrote: Mallard60022 wrote: Arthur, having just taken a field trip to Newcastle to research the Quayside branch (remains if any) and having not really been to Central since 1962, these pics are such a great memory jogger. Just love the Q6s as I am mid completion of Dave Alexander + 51L chassis in EM Thanks. Sincerely, Phil R Newcastle Quayside Phil, this is a bit out of sequence but since you are interested in the Quayside I will include this one now. I didn't often get to the Quayside after I left the area so I was not able to photograph the Electrics there. I was very surprised, and very lucky, when I did visit in May 1963 to find J72 69024 at work (in fact resting) down there. Book 6 20_3.JPG Regarding the Q6s I must have many more photographs of those any other LNER class although the J27 is not far behind. There will be more of those when We visit Percy Main, Blyth and Tyne Dock. Arthur, you are a star. A J72 at Quayside - just what I needed. Like many other comments I just LOVE these pics. The difference perhaps between my interest and that of some others is that I visited the area just once a year to travel to Consett to visit my paternal grandparents who sadly passed away in 1962 so visits ended. My last visit to Newcastle when I actually saw a local steam loco was in 1966 as I passed through (by road - I was hitching) on the way to Whitley Bay; it was a J27! I visited several times during blue diesel days (only Tyne Yard and Gateshead shed on bashing trips), but things were never the same. I copped my last 47 at Gateshead; 47025! Can't wait for the next batch. Phil R. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Mallard60022 on Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:22 am ArthurK wrote: Thanks for the compliments Mike. I only wish I had had a camera earlier. I did have a Kodak Box Brownie with which I photograghed K1 62021 when it first arrived at Blaydon. I just can't bear to think of all the things that I could have photographed, most of the elderly NER types were all around me I have literally hundreds of photographs mostly 35mm Black and White, but latterly (if you can call the 1960s that) some in colour. My first true railway photographs were taken about 1956 and were believe it or not taken in GWR territory during a holiday in Penzance. Following that I have some at Euston and Carlisle. Needless to say there are very many taken during work related travel to London and Weybridge. On the London visits I did get to Kings Cross a few times and was lucky enough to photograph a "baby" Deltic and the protoype "Falcon" as well as a lovely brand new two tone green Brush 47. I also had one visit to Liverpool Street but the light was pretty low, well into dusk. Even Paddington got a couple of visits. I have often wondered what to do with all of these and set about computerising them all. I guess I am about 90% there now. Many of the photos deserve a wider audiance than I can give them, if only for their historical value. I have always been a enthusiast of the LNER (and especially NER) and I am pleased that RMWEB has provided an outlet for some of these. I am pleased that you are enjoying my offerings, that is all I ask. Feel free to correct any errors in my captions. It was a long time ago. One last word, why coudn't I have had a camera to record the Coronation passing over the Border Bridge in 1938, not to mention the lowly railcar "Royal Charlotte". But then I was only seven. The NER Society must have an interest in your collection. Sincerely, Phil R __________________________________________ Comment posted by jcb 3c on Tue Aug 04, 2009 5:36 pm Newcastle Quayside Phil, this is a bit out of sequence but since you are interested in the Quayside I will include this one now. I didn't often get to the Quayside after I left the area so I was not able to photograph the Electrics there. I was very surprised, and very lucky, when I did visit in May 1963 to find J72 69024 at work (in fact resting) down there. Pic looks very like its in front of Spillers Mill which is still there relatively unchanged. (or it was last time i was in Newcastle ) __________________________________________ Comment posted by 45669 on Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:47 pm Certainly a splendid collection of pictures; being from the south, I did not get to the North East very often, but I did manage it once or twice and most of the pictures that I took are now on my Fotopic site. Most of you have probably seen them; however, if anyone has not, and would like to, they're here : http://ronfisher.fotopic.net/c918082.html Subjects include the green J72 at Newcastle, Percy Main shed, Blaydon, etc. Hope they're of interest. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Fat Controller on Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:50 am ArthurK wrote: Fat Controller wrote: I'm not Arthur, but it is a Ferry van...It's one of the post 1960, and looking at the ridged roof and the arrangement of the vents, I'd venture a guess that it was an SJ (Swedish Railways) one. If it is Swedish it is a long way from home. Did the Newcastle - Norway ferry carry railway vecicles at that time? That might explain its presence. Percy Main is just a stone's throw away from the Tyne Commission Quay where the ferry docked. I was struck by that, but I've never heard of any train ferry services that far north- almost certainly, the wagon will have come via Zeebrugge- Harwich. Even since the Channel Tunnel opened, there have been occasional flows to Scandinavia- most notably a trial run from Tinsley with steel slab. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Mallard60022 on Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:41 pm jcb 3c wrote: Newcastle Quayside Phil, this is a bit out of sequence but since you are interested in the Quayside I will include this one now. I didn't often get to the Quayside after I left the area so I was not able to photograph the Electrics there. I was very surprised, and very lucky, when I did visit in May 1963 to find J72 69024 at work (in fact resting) down there. Pic looks very like its in front of Spillers Mill which is still there relatively unchanged. (or it was last time i was in Newcastle )spillers.jpg Thanks jcb. I have looked on Google maps and see that the Spillers place is well east of where I believe the Quayside branch arrived at Quayside! So, did the quayside complex extend over the creek and down to the Spillers area? I think I can see where the branch from Trafalgar Yard came onto the quay. There is a grass area to the right of what I think is a hotel or office block and I reckon that's the place? I can see another field trip coming along soon. Thanks, Phil R. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Mallard60022 on Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:33 pm 45669 wrote: Certainly a splendid collection of pictures; being from the south, I did not get to the North East very often, but I did manage it once or twice and most of the pictures that I took are now on my Fotopic site. Most of you have probably seen them; however, if anyone has not, and would like to, they're here : http://ronfisher.fotopic.net/c918082.html Subjects include the green J72 at Newcastle, Percy Main shed, Blaydon, etc. Hope they're of interest. Great pics Jub, especially of 63346 at Consett. Phil R. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Fat Controller on Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:10 pm Mallard60022 wrote: jcb 3c wrote: Newcastle Quayside Phil, this is a bit out of sequence but since you are interested in the Quayside I will include this one now. I didn't often get to the Quayside after I left the area so I was not able to photograph the Electrics there. I was very surprised, and very lucky, when I did visit in May 1963 to find J72 69024 at work (in fact resting) down there. Pic looks very like its in front of Spillers Mill which is still there relatively unchanged. (or it was last time i was in Newcastle )spillers.jpg Thanks jcb. I have looked on Google maps and see that the Spillers place is well east of where I believe the Quayside branch arrived at Quayside! So, did the quayside complex extend over the creek and down to the Spillers area? I think I can see where the branch from Trafalgar Yard came onto the quay. There is a grass area to the right of what I think is a hotel or office block and I reckon that's the place? I can see another field trip coming along soon. Thanks, Phil R. The railway extended over a bridge across the Ouseburn (i'm told there's now some sort of marina there)- in the 1980s, even though the trains had long gone, the tracks remained in many places. We used to visit a car-breakers housed in one of the old warehouses. __________________________________________ Comment posted by jcb 3c on Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:17 pm Yes ,in the 90s you could still follow the quayside lines all the way to the mill.There were quite a few rail served dock warehouses on the east side of the Ouseburn as well ,as Brian says one of them housing a big car breakers at the end. I have a lot of pictures I took of the area in 91 at very start of redevelopment ,boring to many but I think i'll post a few of them. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:41 pm More from North Blyth I have more photos at the shed than I remembered. Quite a lot of these are worth posting so that we may be there for a little while yet. The next five were taken on December 27th 1965. It was a very cold day. J27 65811 looks very forlorn. Stripped of its coupling rods and looking very frosty! However it wasn't in too much trouble. It was repaired and put back into service. I saw it several times after that. Note the boiler cleading. It looks like it has been lifted using a couple of cables around the boiler. It never lost these scars. Try putting that on a model! It has the intermediate sixe of dome cover. Most got the low variety in BR days' An equally cold looking K1 62067. It had arrived at North Blyth not long before. Photos inside round houses can be difficult especially if the lighting outside is not too good. here we have 4 J27s, from left 65813, 65879, 65801 and 65825. These four are accompanied by a BR 4MT. I believe that there was also an 08 Diesel. I took a couple of colour shots but these were dissapointing and very under exposed. This is the same as the B&W photo above. The O8 can be seen at the extrem right Finally a coser view of three more of the residents, Someone has carefully made sure that its number can be seen. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Mallard60022 on Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:45 am jcb 3c wrote: Yes ,in the 90s you could still follow the quayside lines all the way to the mill.There were quite a few rail served dock warehouses on the east side of the Ouseburn as well ,as Brian says one of them housing a big car breakers at the end. I have a lot of pictures I took of the area in 91 at very start of redevelopment ,boring to many but I think i'll post a few of them. Cheers jcb. I'd be interested. Phil R. __________________________________________ Comment posted by jcb 3c on Fri Aug 07, 2009 7:39 pm Thanks jcb. I have looked on Google maps and see that the Spillers place is well east of where I believe the Quayside branch arrived at Quayside! So, did the quayside complex extend over the creek and down to the Spillers area? I think I can see where the branch from Trafalgar Yard came onto the quay. There is a grass area to the right of what I think is a hotel or office block and I reckon that's the place? I can see another field trip coming along soon. Just looked at Spillers Mill on google earth and you can see a lot of trackwork still in place around the mill. The line to the quayside tunnel was a tramway in the road. The tunnel did emerge where the grass area is now, it looks like they have graded it into a slope , previously their was a massive typical railway sandstone retaining wall above the tunnel and goods yard. Willl post my pics next week. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:03 pm More North Blyth Another visit I made to North Blyth was in more favourable conditions. It was the 14th August 1967. As always the J27s dominated the scene, especially inside the shed. I am posting six shots taken inside the shed then we will have a look at what is outside in the yard. The first is 65879 at rest in a quiet corner. Next we have a trio of 27s. 65795,65892 anf 65869. Note especially the one in the foreground minus its rods. On the ground is the right front rod and very bent! It was repaired I saw it again later. This time we have four. From right they are 65880,65809, 65801 and 65804. 65880 was at this time I believe the only remaining superheated J27. Note the extended smokebox and the Gresley anti vacuum valve behind the chimney. Note also the wrap around handrail rather than the separate handrail on the smokebox door sported by the saturated engines. Two this time 65815 and 65789. A K1 parked behind. A lone one here, 65811. You will recall I pointed out the scars on the boiler cleading in an earlier shot when it was minus its rods. It is now repaired and back in service. Last of this batch is 65811 again in closeup. It also shows just how bent things can get. __________________________________________ Comment posted by si_berian_tiger on Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:14 pm ArthurK wrote: This is the same as the B&W photo above. The O8 can be seen at the extrem right 358 Inside N Blyth.jpg I don't think thats an 08 in the photo, looks more like an 03 or 04. The bonnet is not high enough to be an 08. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Fri Aug 07, 2009 9:35 pm si_berian_tiger wrote: I don't think thats an 08 in the photo, looks more like an 03 or 04. The bonnet is not high enough to be an 08. I have said several times that my knowledge of diesels is very low! You are simply proving it __________________________________________ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ArthurK Posted November 3, 2009 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 3, 2009 Photos From 1960s - NE area by ArthurK original page on Old RMweb __________________________________________ Comment posted by si_berian_tiger on Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:32 pm ArthurK wrote: I have said several times that my knowledge of diesels is very low! You are simply proving it Thats alright Arthur. My knowledge of kettles is low! __________________________________________ Comment posted by Adam on Sat Aug 08, 2009 7:38 am si_berian_tiger wrote: ArthurK wrote: I have said several times that my knowledge of diesels is very low! You are simply proving it Thats alright Arthur. My knowledge of kettles is low! Given that the visible buffer is round (I think), it's probably a Drewry 204hp type rather than a Swindon variety. Adam Or an 04 rather than an 03... __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sat Aug 08, 2009 4:05 pm More North Blyth As promised a look around the outside of the shed. Same day 14th August 1966. K1 62067 arrived at North Blyth From Frodingham. We saw it earlier shortly after its arrival. Note the painted home shed on the buffer beam, North Blyth (Newcastle). Several BR 4MT 2-6-0s arrive late in their life. 43101 at rest in the yard. The coaling stage 62067 in the shed entrance, 43101 on left. The whole area is looking decidedly run down. Another shot of 43101. A pair of K1s. The leading one is 62022, one of Blaydon's original allocation. Yet another K1 62057. General view of the shed. Note the tool van at the left. Shown in a previous shot and still resident. Closer view of one of the coaling chutes and water crane. Water tower on left. Van sidings behindand the embankment leading to the staithes in the background. Grounded van and steel mineral by the side of the shed. We are on our way home now. The rear of the shed Two K1s in the shot, 62025 and 62005. as well as a collection of 60s cars. Rear view of 62025. 62005 pokes its nose out of the shed rear. This is of course the preserved K1. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Fat Controller on Sat Aug 08, 2009 4:19 pm The one of the back of the shed with the cars visible is printed back-to-front, I believe. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Phil on Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:44 pm Arthur - you keep delivering some really atmospheric images Love the way part of that mineral wagon number is visible through the hole in the wall - 15960 - possibly B 15960 ? That SR designed grounded van - a real modeller's enigma. Just imagine placing one of those on your NE transition layout and waiting for the responses from the viewers !!! What would those hyfits be doing on the shed - ash ? Thanks again for sharing them __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:00 pm Fat Controller wrote: The one of the back of the shed with the cars visible is printed back-to-front, I believe. I just do this to keep you all on your toes Thanks for the info I have corrected it. I have all of these photos stored on the hard disk. I take a copy then squeeze the size down for posting, and yes you've guessed it both are wrong. With my slide scanner three out of six are bound to need some change, it is turned upside down when half way through. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Fat Controller on Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:10 pm ArthurK wrote: Fat Controller wrote: The one of the back of the shed with the cars visible is printed back-to-front, I believe. I just do this to keep you all on your toes Thanks for the info I have corrected it. I have all of these photos stored on the hard disk. I take a copy then squeeze the size down for posting, and yes you've guessed it both are wrong. With my slide scanner three out of six are bound to need some change, it is turned upside down when half way through. To be honest, I only noticed because I was trying to read the number-plate on the A40- we had one just like it, which we bought in the middle of a blizzard at Leadgate about 25 years ago. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Sharpwit on Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:46 pm Phil wrote: What would those hyfits be doing on the shed - ash ? Possibly that as well. According to other sources though, a lot of those at North Blyth were brought in as 'brake tenders' for the newly introduced diesels which didn't have the stopping-power needed for handling rakes of unfitted mineral hoppers on the staithes. -- John __________________________________________ Comment posted by Sharpwit on Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:25 pm To clarify my note re. Hyfits as 'brake tenders' for diesels. The NCB did something similar on the Ashington system when they got the Swindon Teddy Bears. http://erniesphotos.fotopic.net/p44178315.html -- John __________________________________________ Comment posted by buckdancer on Sun Aug 09, 2009 7:53 am Great that you took such diverse pictures Arthur. The ones of the "coaler" are amazing. What is also amazing is that it actually worked and didn't fall down! It's a very valuable historical record you've got here Arthur. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sun Aug 09, 2009 1:35 pm Following the comments about one photo being mirrored, I thought that I had better check the previous frame on the film. It was wrong too. It is the one with the grounded Southern style van. I will correct it __________________________________________ ??? posted on Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:11 pm Farewell North Blyth My last visit to North Blyth was in August 1967. By that time things were changing. The number of J27s were down (I photographed only two in the shed). Some K1s were still around but looking very run down. The was an influx of 4MT 2-6-0s. Not sure where these came from and the numbers of many are not discernable. Some of the smokebox number plates had gone making identification even more difficult. So feast your eyes on the last examples at this shed. It closed in September 1967. Any servicable J27s no doubt went to Sunderland. My old friend 65811 was seen there at a later date. I believe that by this time the K1s were out of action (although I believe 62067 was listed as withdrawn December 1967) as I suspect were some of the Ivatt 2-6-0s. The remaining 4MTs were scrapped when the shed closed. This first shot is a well run down K1. Not too sure of its number. Note the staithes in the background. Inside the shed was J27 this 65861. I never saw it when I later visited Sunderland, perhaps it never made it to there. Two J27s and two BR 4MTs in this one. The 4MTs only lasted until the shed was closed a month later. This should settle all those arguments about the diesel shunter in a previous shot. This time most of it is in the frame! We saw its tender inside the shed, outside we have the nose of 43123 The NER tool van had disappeared by this time. In its place was this Gresley full brake. Even it has Condemned on the side. Two of the late arrivals. Both I suspect already withdrawn. One has a tablet catcher on the tender. A closeup of the tablet catcher. Even at this range I am not sure of the number except the it ends in eight! Two more nose to nose. Both devoid of numnber plates and I suspect already out of action. Most, if not all the active survivors were in or near the shed, K1 62057. All the locos stored on the sidings here appear to have been already condemned. Here is one that lasted a little longer. The first of the bunch 43000 on the line leading into the shed. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Enterprisingwestern on Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:25 pm I think the 8 you can see on the tender close up picture is actually the LMS number re-appearing through the grime. __________________________________________ Comment posted by 31A on Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:06 pm Nice close ups of the 4MTs Arthur - too bad I've just finished muckin abaht with one myself! Had previously just thought of them as plain ugly, but having spent some time weathering a Bachmann one recently I've come to respect their brutal functionalism (or should that be functional brutalism?) - or some such arty farty description! Looking at your pictures makes me glad I never had to work in a steam depot at the end of steam, and I guess they underline one of the reasons why steam had to end. Wonderfully atmospheric pictures nonetheless - hope you've got more __________________________________________ Comment posted by the penguin of doom on Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:17 pm Some lovely shots Arthur. Wonderfully atmospheric and definately from a bygone time. Keep them coming. Sean. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:46 pm Next stop Blyth South I only had one proper visit to this shed. Guess what J27s all around! But you will have to wait for a week or so. Pleased that you are still enjoying them. I will try not to make them too repetitive. __________________________________________ Comment posted by buckdancer on Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:39 am Thanks again Arthur! Nice to see 43000 has a home made smokebox numberplate. Morale was not totally zero at such a run down place then. The number on the cab looks a bit different too or is it my imagination? Looking at the photos a question occurs to me - why invariably were cab side windows left dirty on steam locos? Was it a privacy thing or a reflection at nighttime thing? Anyone know? __________________________________________ Comment posted by Adam on Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:12 am Enterprisingwestern wrote: I think the 8 you can see on the tender close up picture is actually the LMS number re-appearing through the grime. I don't think so unfortunately, firstly because I think (though I could be wrong) that the locos fitted with tablet catchers were late examples and never had LMS (4 digit) numbers or livery and secondly because I think the 1 and 0 are visible beforehand so 43108. Adam __________________________________________ Comment posted by Fat Controller on Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:33 am buckdancer wrote: Thanks again Arthur! Looking at the photos a question occurs to me - why invariably were cab side windows left dirty on steam locos? Was it a privacy thing or a reflection at nighttime thing? Anyone know? Probably neither.. Such cleaning that would be done would use a parrafin- soaked rag, which would bring a lovely sheen to paintwork, and smear the glass completely. Thus they probably wouldn't bother. There wasn't much reason to look out of the side-windows anyway- on the road, the driver would be looking through the spectacle plate to see the signals ahead, whilst, when on the platform, he'd perhaps look back to see if the guard had given 'Right Away'. I've had the pleasure of working with a couple of former steam drivers (now retired)- one ex-Nine Elms, the other from Top Shed (previously New England and Grantham)- both much preferred the relative luxury of an air-conditioned cab with in-cab signalling to the rigours of main-line express work on steam locos. They certainly didn't have much time to admire the view. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Enterprisingwestern on Thu Aug 13, 2009 12:45 pm Adam wrote: Enterprisingwestern wrote: I think the 8 you can see on the tender close up picture is actually the LMS number re-appearing through the grime. I don't think so unfortunately, firstly because I think (though I could be wrong) that the locos fitted with tablet catchers were late examples and never had LMS (4 digit) numbers or livery and secondly because I think the 1 and 0 are visible beforehand so 43108. Adam Fair comment. Thought the 8 looked a little fat. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Willster on Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:43 pm Hello Arthur, yet another stunning array of pictures. Please keep them coming, especially the close ups, as we modellers need all the help we can get to make our efforts acceptable. kind regards Bob __________________________________________ ??? posted on Thu Aug 13, 2009 3:43 pm Willster wrote: Hello Arthur, Please keep them coming, especially the close ups, as we modellers need all the help we can get to make our efforts acceptable. kind regards Bob If it's detail you want then how about these two. Detail of K1 valve gear and rods. Ditto fo 4MT. Looks like it could do with a new brake shoe on the second axle. Thank goodness these are not on my wish list __________________________________________ Comment posted by the penguin of doom on Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:08 am If it's detail you want then how about these two. Detail of K1 valve gear and rods. Arthur! You could have let me see that one whilst I was modelling my K1!!!! Only kidding. Keep em coming, Sean. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Willster on Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:40 am Thankyou Arthur, As penguin says, just keep em coming. It will be impossible to get sick of these. kind regards Bob __________________________________________ Comment posted by Mallard60022 on Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:48 pm ArthurK wrote: Willster wrote: Hello Arthur, Please keep them coming, especially the close ups, as we modellers need all the help we can get to make our efforts acceptable. kind regards Bob If it's detail you want then how about these two. Detail of K1 valve gear and rods. Book 8 038_5.jpg Ditto fo 4MT. Looks like it could do with a new brake shoe on the second axle. Thank goodness these are not on my wish list Book 8 036_3.jpg More great pics Arthur. I just can't believe how atmospheric they are and all those extra bits/historic vehicles/crud left all over the place; just look so good in B & W. By the way, found some info about Quayside Branch in the NRM and in a book - Lost Lines The North East. Phil R. P.S. Tony Wright would use up several packs of fuse wire adding little pipe bits to that 4MT. I think the P4 boys would have a field day too. __________________________________________ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ArthurK Posted November 3, 2009 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 3, 2009 Photos From 1960s - NE area by ArthurK original page on Old RMweb __________________________________________ ??? posted on Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:29 pm South Blyth Unlike North Blyth, South Blyth was a straight shed with six roads. Just to wet your appertite the first shot is (of couse) a J27 inside the shed. I saw 65789 on many occasions but it was easy to confuse this with 65879. The latter was the last J27 that I saw in service but we will come to that later. When I saw 65789 later it was at Sunderland without its coupling rods and I suspect already destined for withdrawal. __________________________________________ Comment posted by 31A on Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:07 pm As mentioned previously I was particularly interested in the 43xxx pictures, and the close up of the motion is very interesting. Although the Bachmann model is highly detailed by any standards, I did notice that they seem to have omitted the sand pipes (and so did Chris Pendlenton, as far as I can see! ), so the picture answers my dilemma as to where they ought to be. It seems to be an unusual arrangement, with a single sandbox running the width of the loco, amidships underneath the boiler? __________________________________________ Comment posted by buckdancer on Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:43 pm Arthur Arthur - wherefore art thou Arthur? In other words I'm missing my fix of NE classics..... __________________________________________ ??? posted on Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:01 pm buckdancer wrote: Arthur Arthur - wherefore art thou Arthur? In other words I'm missing my fix of NE classics..... I am having a restful holiday in the Northeast. No locos or railway photos this trip I am afraid. Not a lot left these days only diesels . I did glimpse a line of tankers crossing the A1058 coast road on their way south but thats it. Back home next week I will see what I can find. __________________________________________ Comment posted by OgaugeJB on Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:30 pm There are some absolutely astonishing shots there, thankyou very much !!! I noticed a few shots including 20t brake vans in there... Would you happen to have any more in larger detail ? I'm building a Slaters brake van in Scale7 at the moment, set for the period of 1946 Eastern Region, and I'm wondering what the number of windows were in the doors, and what the handrails were like in that period. I have chose to model the late LNE van with the concrete ballast on the ends, but much earlier than the BR version with the handrails over the concrete ballast. If you have any images that might help, I would love to see them !! JB. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Cheesemonger on Sat Aug 22, 2009 9:30 am ArthurK wrote: buckdancer wrote: Arthur Arthur - wherefore art thou Arthur? In other words I'm missing my fix of NE classics..... I am having a restful holiday in the Northeast. No locos or railway photos this trip I am afraid. Not a lot left these days only diesels . I did glimpse a line of tankers crossing the A1058 coast road on their way south but thats it. Back home next week I will see what I can find. Get yourself up to Tanfield and apply your fantastic photographic skills to some of their Industrials! __________________________________________ Comment posted by 34C on Sat Aug 22, 2009 1:46 pm 31A wrote: ... 43xxx ... It seems to be an unusual arrangement, with a single sandbox running the width of the loco, amidships underneath the boiler? A single large hopper under the boiler with all the sander feeds coming out below. The Bach has the hopper, but none of the pipes, that's a job for a rainy day then... Cannot give you a reference but the account is that the Ivatt 4MT owes much of its' detail design to a study of the US 160 class 2-8-0. US loco design was well ahead of UK domestic railway practise when it came to simplification in the interests of reduced maintenance effort. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:17 pm Cheesemonger wrote: buckdancer wrote: Arthur Arthur - wherefore art thou Arthur? In other words I'm missing my fix of NE classics Get yourself up to Tanfield and apply your fantastic photographic skills to some of their Industrials! I have a few photos taken on a couple of trips to Tanfield, some colour, some B&W. One visit was at the time of the S&D 150 celebrations and includes the Consett Iron Company 0-6-0, not in a working condition (it was minus rods if I remember correctly). I assume that this is the one returned to working order. I will getting around to these some-day. I propose to add a few Ashington shots plus one at Shilbottle. These will conclude the photos from the North side of the Tyne. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:35 pm OgaugeJB wrote: I noticed a few shots including 20t brake vans in there... Would you happen to have any more in larger detail ? I'm building a Slaters brake van in Scale7 at the moment, set for the period of 1946 Eastern Region, and I'm wondering what the number of windows were in the doors, and what the handrails were like in that period. JB. The best that I can offer is a enlargement of one shown previously. It shows the window arrangement, two panels each side with four panels on the door itself. Can't say if they were all the same. I cannot read the number. This may have been a BR build. __________________________________________ Comment posted by OgaugeJB on Mon Aug 24, 2009 1:28 pm Hi Arthur, thanks so much for that, but unfortunately it is a BR build, as it has the handrails over the concrete ends, the full length footboards on the sides, and also it has lamp irons on each corner... But thankyou for looking ! JB. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Mon Aug 24, 2009 3:07 pm More South Blyth First J27 (what else!) 65795 pokes it's nose out of the shed. There weren't many left at South Blyth at this time. Outside the shed 65813 stands in the cold. I was told that it would not be doing any further work as it had a cracked frame. Such repairs were no longer carried out. Close up of the cab interior of 65813. Detail of the reversing lever and cross shaft showing the Balance weights and the lifting links for the eccentric rods. This just shows how dirty a steam loco can be! Detail of the locking mechanism of the turntable. The lever to push the table and loco around is hinged back onto the floor. Finally a more open view of the turntable That completes the visit to South Blyth. __________________________________________ Comment posted by 50042 on Mon Aug 24, 2009 3:17 pm I have only just discovered this thread, it is a bit early for me but there are some cracking photos. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:29 pm Found at Darlington in 1968 It is surprising what you find when going through old negatives. I had forgotten all about a group of photos taken at Darlington Bank Top. Amongst them was a Engineers Department 6 wheel carriage with a fair degree of age Not sure exactly what it is. Can anyone out there identify it; the number is E900089ED. The outside W-iron on the centre axle has me puzzled. The other lettering is "Return to District Engineer Bank Top Shops". __________________________________________ Comment posted by 31A on Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:39 pm Thanks for the latest instalment, Mike! The 6-wheeled coach looks like an ex Great Northern vehicle to me, judging by the square cornered windows and panelling, and the distinctive middle W-irons that you mention. The roof seems to have sagged in the middle (maybe the partitions had been removed?) but the profile can be seen at the end. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:00 pm 31A wrote: Thanks for the latest instalment, Mike! The 6-wheeled coach looks like an ex Great Northern vehicle to me, judging by the square cornered windows and panelling, and the distinctive middle W-irons that you mention. The roof seems to have sagged in the middle (maybe the partitions had been removed?) but the profile can be seen at the end. Yes I think that you are correct. Closer inspection reveals beading on the side panels and doors in typical GNR (and later Gresley style). One interesting fact that i did not mention was the other inscription "Not to go over humps". THere were two other coaches with the above. Both were Gresley Brakes. I will post these later. __________________________________________ Comment posted by 31A on Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:06 pm I believe old coaches with Mansell wheels in Engineers use often carried this inscription as the retarders used in hump yards could sheer off the rivets which held the wheels together - I have heard stories of that happening! __________________________________________ ??? posted on Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:52 pm More Engineers Vans, Darlington 1968 As promised more engineers vehicles. The first is an ex Gresley 3 Comp Brake. Now numbered DE320951. It is lettered H. POOLEY & SONS, WORKSHOP & MESS VAN, DARLINGTON. It has lost it's gangway ends. On its right is a western van W116674, H. POOLEY & SONS, WEIGH VAN, DARLINGTON xx xxxx The next is a puzzle (at least to me) It has lost its bow end (if it ever had one). Starting from the left is a 3rd Compartment then either a locker or toilet, then two more thirds. Following them are two Firsts separated by a toilet (?) with a brake section on the right. Did the GNR have any carriages with this formation? It is too long to be a Gresley suburban. This bears the inscription D32*537, SE, NE DARLINGTON, STAFF & TOOL VAN, NOT TO GO OVER HUMPS. Lastly A plate wagon. Labelled PLATE 22T E260164. __________________________________________ Comment posted by the penguin of doom on Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:06 pm Did Pooley manufacture scales and weighbridges? Seem to remember the one at Bridlington parcels office being of a Pooley design? Might it be something to do with this company or am I being silly??? __________________________________________ Comment posted by Fat Controller on Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:54 pm the penguin of doom wrote: Did Pooley manufacture scales and weighbridges? Seem to remember the one at Bridlington parcels office being of a Pooley design? Might it be something to do with this company or am I being silly??? Pooleys did indeed manufacture weighing equipment of all sorts- these vehicles would be used by the teams carrying out maintenance on this. There were quite often low-sided opens carrying check-weights for calibrating the weighbridges- a couple of these, still branded 'Pooley', were to be found at Pinnox Sidings, Longport, until recently- they had been parked for about 29 years in the same place, such that one even had a few trees growing through the floor! __________________________________________ Comment posted by 31A on Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:49 pm DE 32*537 looks like another ex-GN vehicle - a Gresley-designed non-gangwayed elliptical roofed coach, so it wouldn't have had bow ends. From the left hand (passenger) end it's similar to the Lavatory Composite Brake design (dia. 183, etc.), drawings for which by Nick Campling were published in 'Historic Carriage Drawings' Vol 1. If so, from the left would be:3rd class compartment, lavatory (window filled in - divided into two new panels), 2 x 3rd class compartments then a 1st class followed by another lavatory (the 'white glass' window in the photo). To the right of that (see second photo), another 1st class compartment, then the brake van section. Herein lies a mystery and presumably some alterations have been made, as the brake section double doors weren't at the extreme end as built but more or less above the bogie centreline (where bottoms of the lower panels seem to have fallen out!), and the extreme right hand end would originally have contained the Guard's seats and look out duckets, on both sides of the coach. I've used the term 'compartment' above but in reality these were semi-open coaches, with access to the lavatories from all seats, intended for semi fast or what would nowadays be called 'outer suburban' use, e.g. King's Cross - Cambridge trains in GN days. __________________________________________ Comment posted by buckdancer on Wed Aug 26, 2009 1:06 am On most Saturdays I pop down to the "railwayman". This is a bloke who sells second hand and some new model railway parts. It's like a wonderland at his place. He must think I'm a bit eccentric as I buy stuff with little regard to it's external condition. That's because, as Arthur's photo's show, things were far from pristine on the railway in the era I'm interested in. Some of those engineers vehicles are a bit further beyond "far from pristine" however! __________________________________________ Comment posted by Mallard60022 on Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:32 am buckdancer wrote: On most Saturdays I pop down to the "railwayman". This is a bloke who sells second hand and some new model railway parts. It's like a wonderland at his place. He must think I'm a bit eccentric as I buy stuff with little regard to it's external condition. That's because, as Arthur's photo's show, things were far from pristine on the railway in the era I'm interested in. Some of those engineers vehicles are a bit further beyond "far from pristine" however! Where's this "railwayman' then, or is it a secret so that you get the best bits? (Only joking). Sincerely, S.E. Condhand __________________________________________ ??? posted on Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:32 pm NCB Locos North of the Tyne Just a few shots of NCB locos and wagons. First in the north of Northumberland Near to Alnmouth adjacent to the ECML was an exchange siding permtting coal from Shilbottle to reach the BR system. In 1973 the colliery was still operating steam. Here in (I believe) October NCB No. 45 provides a lot of Smoke as it waits to return to the colliery. I believe that this was the last loco that I saw in steam in normal usage. Further South at Ashington Steam was operating. The next three shots were taken in 1965. The first two of these show NCB No.29 with a seven Plank open, In the background are the Colliery buildings and BR steel hopper wagons. Next No.25 Hunslet 0-6-0 with four plank open behind and pushing an Ex NER 20T hopper wagon. There were still many hoppers of this type operating within the Ashington complex. Most of those I saw were labelled "Stone Traffic Only", as eas the one in this photo. A later visit in 1966 found a lot of activity. In the nect shot are NCB No. 78 and a Hunslet 0-6-0. Then Hunslet 0-6-0 No. 24 passes with a load of loaded steel hoppers. In the background are the colliery buildings and, top right an NCB owned Steel hopper. Last in this section outside cylinder 0-6-0 No. 39. Pithead gear in the background. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Sharpwit on Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:59 pm Shilbottle? Ashington? Northumberland Industrials? Oh I am now a VERY happy man indeed..! (Any more of Shilbottle?..) Otherwise -- though it's but a small point -- the 'ex-NER 20T Hopper' actually isn't. It's an ex-PO 17/20T hopper of which there were a load around Ashington. They ended up being used for the Ashington-Lynemouth runs behind Teddy Bears, as here : http://www.dudleys-photos.co.uk/p36441770.html. One of these 'Ashington Hoppers' remains now, on the 'preservation-in-progress' line up at Marley Hill on the Tanfield, and came up in an exchange of posts in Mick LNER's NER Hoppers threads a while back : http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=17615&start=50#p373789 They were slightly shorter than the ex-NER P7 hoppers, at 18 foot over headstocks, though still on a 10ft 6in wheelbase, yes... Like I said though : 'tis but a small, nay 'minuscule' point, really... Got any more shots of those hoppers -- or the couple of possibly ex-CWS 'box' hoppers that knocked around Shilbottle for the landsales, like the one on this shot from Ernie Brack's collection : http://erniesphotos.fotopic.net/p59009352.html Got any with those on?.. Either way though : cracking stuff. Lovely. Keep 'em coming Sir. -- John __________________________________________ ??? posted on Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:47 pm Sharpwit wrote: Shilbottle? Ashington? Northumberland Industrials? Oh I am now a VERY happy man indeed..! (Any more of Shilbottle?..) John Sorry no more of Shilbottle I was very lucky to get that one. As regards those hoppers, I did have a suspicion that they were not NER but they are very similar even if not the same length. I have other photos of these hoppers which I will post as the last of the batch from Ashington. Also a train pulled by an ex BR diesel which includes square bodied hoppers. Probably the ones thast you refer to. Forgive me for my ignorance of the industrial side of steam. I should have taken a lot more notice of it. My biggest regret is not photographing the Kitson CIC 0-6-0STs at Derwenthaugh. They were part of my childhood I used to cross the pedestrian crossing on that line very many times both before and after the NCB took over. __________________________________________ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ArthurK Posted November 3, 2009 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 3, 2009 Photos From 1960s - NE area by ArthurK original page on Old RMweb __________________________________________ Comment posted by hmrspaul on Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:31 pm ArthurK wrote: More Engineers Vans, Darlington 1968 As promised more engineers vehicles. The first is an ex Gresley 3 Comp Brake. Now numbered DE320951. It is lettered H. POOLEY & SONS, WORKSHOP & MESS VAN, DARLINGTON. It has lost it's gangway ends. On its right is a western van W116674, H. POOLEY & SONS, WEIGH VAN, DARLINGTON xx xxxx Dear Arthur Fascinating and fantastic selection of photos, not least these departmental vehicles. Co-incidentally this week I have posted a picture of the GWR van later in its life. http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/p60475831.html Thanks again Paul __________________________________________ Comment posted by buckdancer on Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:10 am Mallard60022 said "Where's this "railwayman' then, or is it a secret so that you get the best bits? (Only joking). Sincerely, S.E. Condhand" Well he's actually in Brisbane in Australia which might be a long trip for some. I don't think he's on email and I know he doesn't sell on eBay. His business appears to be thriving as he seems to get a number of items from deceased estates and the population is ageing - even us railway enthusiasts... __________________________________________ ??? posted on Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:24 pm NCB Wagons at Ashington 1973 I view of the interest generated by the earlier photos I am posting the others that I took in 1973. I do not propose to comment on these as I will certainly be shot down in flames!!!!!!!!!! The first two have a camera problem but there is sufficient there. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Phil on Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:23 am Truly fantastic photos Arthur - good job a handful of people like you did this kind of thing. My knowledge of the NE region is postage stamp sized but this stuff is so educational. Those wooden hoppers which give the appearance of being conventional open wagons are fascinating, particularly being hauled by a "teddy bear" Love the industrial steam too. I am realy trying hard to repress the desire for an RSH 0-6-0 of the kind which worked Meaford, Nechells and Hams Hall, down here in the Midlands. Great stuff Arthur - we are really enjoying the ride __________________________________________ Comment posted by Fat Controller on Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:02 am Phil wrote: Truly fantastic photos Arthur - good job a handful of people like you did this kind of thing. My knowledge of the NE region is postage stamp sized but this stuff is so educational. Those wooden hoppers which give the appearance of being conventional open wagons are fascinating, particularly being hauled by a "teddy bear" Love the industrial steam too. I am realy trying hard to repress the desire for an RSH 0-6-0 of the kind which worked Meaford, Nechells and Hams Hall, down here in the Midlands. Great stuff Arthur - we are really enjoying the ride The NCB North-Eastern loved their wooden hopper wagons (the ones in the photos are to an NER design, subsequently continued by the LNER)- so much so that they rebodied some conventional steel hoppers with planked bodies:- http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/p7838551.html being an example. Even more bizzarely, they often 'tippled' these wagons, rather than opening the bottom doors... The 'stone traffic' referred to on the wagons was pit waste from the mines- rather than build spoil heaps as they did elsewhere, the coastal collieries used to simply tip their waste from the sea-cliffs. With the action of the tide, this waste would get separated into heavier rock and lighter coal (more accurately, shale with a minimal amount of coal)- locals would then collect the gleanings- 'sea-coal'- and either burn them themselves, or sell them on. From experience, they only burnt with frequent applications of the 'blazer', and spat out bits of hot stone every so often- when we used them, our cat gave up sleeping on the hearth. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:18 pm Fat Controller wrote: The NCB North-Eastern loved their wooden hopper wagons (the ones in the photos are to an NER design, subsequently continued by the LNER)- so much so that they rebodied some conventional steel hoppers with planked bodies:- NCB Waons at Derwenthaugh/Winlaton Mill I saw several steel hoppers planked with wood on the upper vertical part of the body at the Winlaton Mill Coke Ovens. Unfortunately I did not photograph these but I did photograph a number of other wagons there. I posted a shot of a Hunslet diesel earlier in the thread but since I intended the thread to be of locos and trains the wagons were omitted. I shall make amends because of the interest that NCB wagons have created. This first batch at Winlaton Mill includes what I believe are NER Dia 5 hoppers. Quite a number of the wagon bore NER embossed axleboxes. I leave it to the expects amongst you to identify the rest. Many of the wagons there had the end style of brake lever. Note that on the first, 503, the brake levers are both at the left of the wagon as viewed. To complete this section These three were photographed in August 1973. Last of these I couldn't resist including this signal situated beside the coke ovens. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Mon Aug 31, 2009 1:31 pm A Visit to Tyne Dock I made just two visits toTyne Dock the first in August 1966. By this time steam was very much in decline. The roundhouse had long since lost its roof but was still the resting place between shifts for the clutch of Q6s still there. I took both colour and black and white on this visit. The colour shots show the run down state of the engines, although I believe that 63377 was the last operational Q6 a year later. The 9Fs which featured on the iron ore and mineral trains to Consett were also present at this time. 92064 is equipped with the air pumps to operate the doors of the iron ore hoppers. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Mon Aug 31, 2009 2:19 pm Tyne Dock August 1966 These B&W photos complement the colour posted earlier. First 63366 pokes its nose into the now roofless roundhouse. the straight shed visible through the doorway. 9F 92060 in the straight shed, Q6 behind. Back in the roundhous 63453 at rest. It did not appear to be in steam. View of the delapidated roundhouse. Lets hope they align that turntable before running a loco onto it. 9F 92098 This one is obviously in steam 9F 92064. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Mallard60022 on Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:24 am Sorry to go off area a bit but have you all seen the FANTASTIC layout on the Layout forum area? It depicts a NER area called Blackgill (based on Blackhill/generic?) and it's in P4! Go and look NOW!! Sincerely, Phil R. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Dampflok on Tue Sep 01, 2009 2:12 pm ArthurK wrote: My biggest regret is not photographing the Kitson CIC 0-6-0STs at Derwenthaugh. They were part of my childhood I used to cross the pedestrian crossing on that line very many times both before and after the NCB took over. Hello Arthur, some more wonderful pictures from you - thanks! As far as the Kitson CIC locos at Derwenthaugh were concerned, do you mean the 0-6-0PTs, as they were known as far as I recall - though I'm no expert on the area. A couple of shots below taken in March 1969: Whether that's the right sort of loco I don't know, but I hope it might bring back some memories! I think this loco might still exist somewhere, though I don't know where (Stephenson Railway Museum perhaps?). Cheers, Geoff __________________________________________ Comment posted by Arpster on Tue Sep 01, 2009 2:52 pm At the Stephenson Railway Museum, yes. Now, sadly, a static exhibit it seems. Didn't it feature in Classic Trains or something like that? http://www.ntsra.org.uk/stock.html And Arthur, thanks for yet more wonderful photos. It's great to see someone capturing the atmosphere of the area at the end of steam, and not just on British Railways either! __________________________________________ ??? posted on Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:54 pm Dampflok wrote: ArthurK wrote: My biggest regret is not photographing the Kitson CIC 0-6-0STs at Derwenthaugh. They were part of my childhood I used to cross the pedestrian crossing on that line very many times both before and after the NCB took over. As far as the Kitson CIC locos at Derwenthaugh were concerned, do you mean the 0-6-0PTs, as they were known as far as I recall - though I'm no expert on the area. A couple of shots below taken in March 1969: Whether that's the right sort of loco I don't know, but I hope it might bring back some memories! I think this loco might still exist somewhere, though I don't know where (Stephenson Railway Museum perhaps?). Cheers, Geoff Yep! That's the one though there were several others when I was a lad. They were always in the green livery. Though all were built to the original Kitson design others came from other contractors. I photgraphed No. 41 when it was stored at Marley Hill That will be posted sometime later. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:39 pm Industrial railways of Co. Durham For anyone with an interest in the colliery railways of Durham the book "The Private Railways of County Durham" by Colin E. Mountford is an absolute must have. It lists in detail the various privately owned lines from their roots through to NCB days. There are detailed lists of the locos operated and the subsquent transfers between the various collieries. Ref. ISBN 1-901556-29-8 __________________________________________ ??? posted on Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:55 pm Q6s at Tyne Dock Continuing my Aug 66 visit for those of you liking closeup detail here are some shots from Q6 63453. The tender is one of the 1917 batch with the vertical cutoff to the coal plate. The cylinder covers have suffered and as usual in their late days the front covers are missing. Also of note is the valve for the steam reverse operated by a link through the handrail. In the same view is the lubricator crank and the NER style lubricator itself. Someone has added a strengthening strap to the right hand step. Obviously shed job and unlike the straps fitted to other classes. Q6s did not normally have straps to the steps. Note the righthand step is missing completely! __________________________________________ Comment posted by PWSlack on Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:33 pm ArthurK wrote: ...The outside W-iron on the centre axle has me puzzled..... It's simply a way of placing the axle bearings further apart so that the centre axle can track from side to side as the thing goes around curves. Note that the centre axle has no brake shoes either..... __________________________________________ Comment posted by hmrspaul on Fri Sep 04, 2009 6:01 pm ArthurK wrote: Tyne Dock August 1966 These B&W photos complement the colour posted earlier. Book 7 098_1.jpg 9F 92098 [ The crane runner in this photograph features in a number of my photographs taken in the early 1990s, such as http://gallery6801.fotopic.net/p38280192.html Paul __________________________________________ ??? posted on Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:22 pm Sunderland August 1967 My one ond only visit to Sunderland shed was in August 1957 shortly before closure. It closed the following month. This made a pretty depressing sight. Withdrawn locos were scattered all around but there were a few still in service. These included WDs and J27s. The only Q6 left servicable appeared to be 63395 was had been put aside for preservation. Amongst the J27s were a few of my old friends from Blyth, in particular 65811 still bearing the scars on its boiler cleading. We start with a general view of the shed.In the centre are mostly withdrawn locos whilst in the roundhouse (entrance right centre housed the last three servicable J27s 65879, 65855 and 65811. The diesels were housed in the straight shed on the left. J27 65882 in part of the strraight shed. This may well have been servicable. Also in the straight shed the soon to be ppreserved Q6 63395. This was to the right of the 37 with brake tender visible in the general view. I must admit that it appeared to be in pretty good condition. Now the depressing bits. First J27 65880. This was the last superheated J27 which we last saw in running condition inside North Blyth shed. Most of the remaining J27s at North Blyth were sent to Sunderland when that shed closed. A pair of WDS now withdrawn. The removal of coupling rods was a pretty good indication that they were not to be in use again. __________________________________________ Comment posted by buckdancer on Sat Sep 05, 2009 2:31 am Thanks again Arthur. Sunderland had the reputation of being very difficult to bunk. I went round it a couple of times with Railway clubs and I presume they had permits. __________________________________________ Comment posted by mikemeg on Sat Sep 05, 2009 5:05 am Lovely pictures Arthur. It is a great shame that you never visited some of these sheds a few years earlier, before the ravages of the decline of steam and its environment took hold in the North East. But then that's true of many of us; we would have liked to have seen the steam railway in its heyday. Incidentally what has happened to the storing and presenting of photo images on this site? Photos are shown much smaller and without some of the image identification previously shown. Apologies if this is a 'repeat question' for I've seen this on all postings made since around Sept. 1st and I'm sure others may have asked the question. Regards Mike __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:34 am mikemeg wrote: Lovely pictures Arthur. Incidentally what has happened to the storing and presenting of photo images on this site? Photos are shown much smaller and without some of the image identification previously shown. Apologies if this is a 'repeat question' for I've seen this on all postings made since around Sept. 1st and I'm sure others may have asked the question. Regards Mike Answer is I don't know I did everything the same as before. I have asked Andy Y who suggested there was a glitch somewhere. If all goes well with future postings I will update the small ones. In answer to Buckdancer I had no problems at Sunderland. It appeared deserted. I just walked in __________________________________________ Comment posted by Mallard60022 on Sat Sep 05, 2009 11:05 am ArthurK wrote: mikemeg wrote: Lovely pictures Arthur. Incidentally what has happened to the storing and presenting of photo images on this site? Photos are shown much smaller and without some of the image identification previously shown. Apologies if this is a 'repeat question' for I've seen this on all postings made since around Sept. 1st and I'm sure others may have asked the question. Regards Mike Answer is I don't know I did everything the same as before. I have asked Andy Y who suggested there was a glitch somewhere. If all goes well with future postings I will update the small ones. In answer to Buckdancer I had no problems at Sunderland. It appeared deserted. I just walked in First Team must have been playing at Roker Park then!!!! Sincerely, PR __________________________________________ Comment posted by mikemeg on Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:18 pm mikemeg wrote: Incidentally what has happened to the storing and presenting of photo images on this site? Photos are shown much smaller and without some of the image identification previously shown. Apologies if this is a 'repeat question' for I've seen this on all postings made since around Sept. 1st and I'm sure others may have asked the question I had this same problem - photos appearing much smaller and surrounded by a border - on a posting made on Sept 3rd on Workbench. Editing that same posting and replacing the photo, today, everything now seems fine. So the problem, whatever it was, seems to have disappeared. Thanks to those who responded. Mike __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:35 pm Mallard60022 wrote: First Team must have been playing at Roker Park then!!!! No it was a Sunday morning The fault withthe photo size has been corrected. I have reposted all the problem ones. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sat Sep 05, 2009 1:04 pm More Sunderland August 1967 Now that the Photo fault has gone I will carry on with more from Sunderland. First another view of those two WDs. A fornlorn looking Q6 No 63437. Apart from the loss of it's rods it doesn't look to bad. WD 90378 and friend These look to be in working condition. Another WD 90348, again in working order. J27 65789 definitely not in running order. we have seen this one before at Blyth. 65789 again in company with WD 90417. The latter appears complete. A pair of withdrawn J27s. I wonder who got the numberplates. Q6 63458 in the company of a J27. These two will not see any more work. In fact I did not see a servicable Q6 on this visit apart from 63395. __________________________________________ Comment posted by mikemeg on Sat Sep 05, 2009 6:30 pm Arthur, I hope you won't object if I add one picture of a Q6. This is the one which escaped the cutter's torch and which you phtotgraphed in Sunderland, to be rebuilt and reborn so that we could all see, once again, a classic British 0-8-0. OK it is on a passenger train and does look in absolutely pristine condition but it is still a Q6; the only one left. Oh, and the picture was taken in the North East, well almost. It's on the North Yorkshire Moors railway. Regards Mike __________________________________________ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ArthurK Posted November 3, 2009 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 3, 2009 Photos From 1960s - NE area by ArthurK original page on Old RMweb __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sat Sep 05, 2009 7:48 pm We cannot have too many Q6s. One hundred and twenty would be about right I have another couple of photos of 63395 still to come. This time at Tyne Dock shortly after that shed closed. Also its stablemate 65894. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sun Sep 06, 2009 1:54 pm More Sunderland To finish off the Sunderland batch we end on a happier note - but not for long. Engines actually in working order. However the first is not. 65804 minus rods. Inside the rounhouse were just three J27s I make no apology for showing several shots of these but they were the among the last survivors. J27 65879. This was the last that I personally saw working for a living. Two J27s 65811 and 65855. Believe it or not, one of these 65855 was new to me it was ex Yorkshire (York I believe). As I remarked earlier 65811 still bears the scars on its cladding but that han't stopped it from working, Same two again. Note that 65811 has the higher dome cover. Forgive me for showing these two again in the next two shots. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Mon Sep 07, 2009 7:16 pm A Quick Visit to West Hartlepool August 1967 After the Sunderland visit i went a little further south to West Hartlepool. Time was running out ant the only photos that I got were of the straight shed. Many years ago in my trainspotting days a friend and I cycled to West Hartlepool. No mean feat as we took in Stockton as well as the works yard at Darlington. About ninety miles in all. On entering the roundhouse at WHL we ere carefully noting all around. There was an A8 on the turntable. We were spotted by its driver who pointed at us and said you shouldn't be in here but you can push that around. So we did our forfeit and no more was said! Happy days! One of the only two locos in a reasonable position for photographing was this Q6 63407. It was already out of action. Looks Ok from the front as the next two photos show but it has lost its three link coupling. However photographed it from the rear show the Removable part of the cab roof missing So I suspect it had reached the end. Also out in the open was the WD 90458. Another visible behind. Inside the shed appears to be the tender of probably a K1. __________________________________________ Comment posted by WRLPG on Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:43 pm Arthur, Absolutely fascinating! Please keep posting! Did you ever capture No77 from the Norwood coke works in Dunston? Regards Paul __________________________________________ ??? posted on Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:54 pm WRLPG wrote: Arthur, Absolutely fascinating! Please keep posting! Did you ever capture No77 from the Norwood coke works in Dunston? Regards Paul Sorry no! I cycled past there many times. The nearest I have is the overhead signal box at Norwood but no locos BR or NCB. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:35 pm Farewell to steam in the Northeast, at least for me1 Shortly after the visits to Sunderland and West hartlepool I made one visit to capture a last few locos in steam. I chose Ryhope knowing that this who be the most likely place to find it. Only Sunderland and West Harlepool sheds were left operating. I was lucky so here are the very last BR steam that I witnessed in the Northeast. First it was WD 90009 with a train of loaded steel hoppers. It couldn't have taken its train very far as it is seen here not long afterwards returning light. Next J27 (65894 no less), operating what was probably one of its last duties on BR, drawing a set of loaded hoppers probably from Silksworth Colliery. Three shots of this one. I am surprised that I didn't see this one when I visited Sunderland. Perhaps they had it hidden away somewhere. Now the saddest bit. Another old friend 65879 which we have seen before at North Blyth and Sunderland heads a train of empties again probably bound for, rather than from, Silksworth Colliery A poor Colour shot but it's all that I have. As 65879 rides off west into the sunset (actually south in mid afternoon) I had to say my last farewell to my own experiences of BR steam in the Northeast. Later in October 1967 I make one last visit to Tyne Dock. But by then steam was finished, all that I found were depressing lines of scrap. However there one more brighter side, inside were the preserved Q6 and J27. Also a hoped for preservation that was not to be, but that will be the next posting. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Fri Sep 11, 2009 8:52 pm The Morgue at Tyne Dock October 1967 As I said earlier I made one last visit to Tyne Dock Shed in the October of 1967. By this time all steam in the Northeast was at an end following the closure of Sunderland and West Harlepool in the September. There were still steam to be seen but all were dead except for three pending preservation. It was a sorry sight Q6s, J27s, K1s and WDs making up the collection of dead engines. Without exception they were devoid of coupling rods and connecting rods The first to greet me was my long time friend J27 65811 still with scars on the boiler. It was in a line with its last shedmates 65882 and 65855. We saw all of these at Sunderland. J27 56855. J27 65882. WD 90135 and friends. Alongside the straight shed was K1 62050, K1 62011, Q6 63387, Q6 63344, J27 65879, a K1 and another K1 62007. A closer view of 62050 Next in line was Q6 63387. The last to work for a living. (I wrongly attributed this honour to 63377 in an earlier posting) Then a second Q6 63344. J27 55879 was the next, The last J27 that I saw at work at Ryhope. J27 65879 once more sandwiched betweemn 63344 and a K1. Finally for this batch K1 62007. __________________________________________ Comment posted by 26power on Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:25 pm Was the rod removal to stop further use? I don't think I've been aware of this for withdrawn locos in all my reading of old copies of Steam World, BRILL etc. Cheers, 26power __________________________________________ Comment posted by pH on Sat Sep 12, 2009 12:14 am 26power wrote: Was the rod removal to stop further use? I always understood it was to reduce resistance and so make it easier to tow the locos 'dead'. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sat Sep 12, 2009 3:22 pm pH wrote: 26power wrote: Was the rod removal to stop further use? I always understood it was to reduce resistance and so make it easier to tow the locos 'dead'. I think pH is probably correct. I know that it was common practice in the Northeast at that time. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sat Sep 12, 2009 3:38 pm Tyne Dock October 1967. Let us end this visit on a happier note. Q6 63395 was set aside for preservation and stored for a short while at Tyne Dock. Altough a bit grubby it is otherwise is reasonable shape. Behind 63395 is J27 65984 also destined for preservation. Two more views of 63395. Also inside the shed was a J72 with its departmental number 58. The Preserved J72 69023 at one time carried a departmental number (I believe No. 59). I was told by members of the preservation group that they also wanted to preserve No. 58. This was not to be and it was subsquently cut up. To conclude this episode I will add a number of colour shots to this thread. These will duplicate some of the last two postings but this was (to me at least) a historic moment. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Fat Controller on Sat Sep 12, 2009 5:35 pm ArthurK wrote: pH wrote: 26power wrote: Was the rod removal to stop further use? I always understood it was to reduce resistance and so make it easier to tow the locos 'dead'. I think pH is probably correct. I know that it was common practice in the Northeast at that time. A practice still followed on those rare occasions when a rod-coupled diesel is towed, rather than being plonked on a low-loader. __________________________________________ Comment posted by The Stationmaster on Sat Sep 12, 2009 5:46 pm Fat Controller wrote: ArthurK wrote: pH wrote: 26power wrote: Was the rod removal to stop further use? I always understood it was to reduce resistance and so make it easier to tow the locos 'dead'. I think pH is probably correct. I know that it was common practice in the Northeast at that time. A practice still followed on those rare occasions when a rod-coupled diesel is towed, rather than being plonked on a low-loader. It's done to avoid damage to the gears and traction motors as they would be turning at something way in excess of their maximum permitted rotation speeds if towed at normal freight train speeds. __________________________________________ Comment posted by buckdancer on Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:25 pm Arthur, thanks again for these great photos. Photo Book 8 068_2.jpg is particularly atmospheric. What exactly was this shed? There doesn't seem to be any roof ventilation. Was it a carriage shed or workshop of some sort? __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sun Sep 13, 2009 7:41 pm buckdancer wrote: Arthur, thanks again for these great photos. Photo Book 8 068_2.jpg is particularly atmospheric. What exactly was this shed? There doesn't seem to be any roof ventilation. Was it a carriage shed or workshop of some sort? The layout of Tyne Dock shed is given in detail in the North Eastern Railway Association publication "Locomotive Shed Diagrams" Volume 2. This shows three roundhouses Two of which are connected. The turntables of these were only 42ft diameter. These two have a single track leading Northwards to the exterior of the shed but pass though another shed which has two tracks, with pits, either side before emerging into the open. From the size of this shed I suspect that originally it was also a roundhouse. On the West side is another roundhouse with a 50 ft turntable (that shown without roof in my photos). The exit form this is parallel to the exits from the sheds listed above. On the Eastern side of these sheds was another shed (that in which 63395, 65894 an No. 58 were stored). This shed is listed a a wagon repair shop so that it would not need smoke ventilators. In some of the earlier photos the covered roundhouses can be seen though the portals of the roofless shed. One of the 9Fs shown is in the straight shed described above. There was a fourth turntable of 60 ft diameter outside the shed on the West side. I can recommend the publications to anyone wanting to know more about NER sheds. They are available direct from th NERA and from their stand at various model railway exhibitions. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Fat Controller on Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:32 pm ArthurK wrote: buckdancer wrote: Arthur, thanks again for these great photos. Photo Book 8 068_2.jpg is particularly atmospheric. What exactly was this shed? There doesn't seem to be any roof ventilation. Was it a carriage shed or workshop of some sort? The layout of Tyne Dock shed is given in detail in the North Eastern Railway Association publication "Locomotive Shed Diagrams" Volume 2. This shows three roundhouses Two of which are connected. The turntables of these were only 42ft diameter. These two have a single track leading Northwards to the exterior of the shed but pass though another shed which has two tracks, with pits, either side before emerging into the open. From the size of this shed I suspect that originally it was also a roundhouse. On the West side is another roundhouse with a 50 ft turntable (that shown without roof in my photos). The exit form this is parallel to the exits from the sheds listed above. On the Eastern side of these sheds was another shed (that in which 63395, 65894 an No. 58 were stored). This shed is listed a a wagon repair shop so that it would not need smoke ventilators. In some of the earlier photos the covered roundhouses can be seen though the portals of the roofless shed. One of the 9Fs shown is in the straight shed described above. There was a fourth turntable of 60 ft diameter outside the shed on the West side. I can recommend the publications to anyone wanting to know more about NER sheds. They are available direct from th NERA and from their stand at various model railway exhibitions. Did this wagon repair shop become known as Simonside? I remember, even into the mid-1980s, there being a trip from Tyne Yard to Simonside with wagons for repair at about lunchtime every day. __________________________________________ Comment posted by mikemeg on Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:57 am This thread has been/is just a great joy, albeit that many of the locos are either withdrawn or in a very run down state, but then that was the way they were in those final days of steam. A couple of the photos, those outside Tyne Dock shed, show the main post of a McKenzie and Holland lattice signal bridge and these photos confirm what we had been told, by those in the know, about the construction of these things - namely that the lattice on the main posts, on adjacent sides, was actually staggered by nine inches i.e. half the distance between successive lattice sections. Many thanks for posting these pictures, they are a poignant reminder of the last days of the 'steam railway' in the North East. Regards Mike __________________________________________ ??? posted on Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:35 pm The Last At Tyne Dock This Next batch will conclude the Tyne Dock visits. I am afraid that it duplicates some of the views already posted, but this time in colour. My best camera (Pentax) was the one loaded with Black and White whilst my second camera (an aging Paxette II) was the backup up with colour. The colour film that I was using at that time was Agfa and some of the slides have not worn very well. However with a bit of digital trickery they become presentable. FIrst two shots of the Last of Sunderlands J27s. Externally they don't look too bad and no doubt were capable of further work The last working Q6 awaits its fate Two very rusty K1s. It is a pity to see these once handsome engines in this condition. One of my most photographed J27s 658679 stands next to Q6 63344. See next. Towards the end the Q6s were usually in a very filthy state but the rust on this one is even worse than normal. It looks as though it has been standing out unused for some time. Another peep into the ex wagon repair shop with Q6 63395 and J27 69884 awaiting their new owners. Lastly another view of Departmental J72 No. 58. That concludes my views of steam in the Northeast. I will fill in a few gaps with a few diesels at Low Fell. Yes, for those who think otherwise, I did photograph these especially when there was nothing else. My very last shot in this area was a GNER express to London. I was so apalled with that livery I never went back. __________________________________________ Comment posted by max stafford on Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:01 pm That was before the Nat Ex livery appeared too! Excellent photos, thanks for posting them, I've always had a soft spot for Northumbria's railways! Dave. __________________________________________ Comment posted by hmrspaul on Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:58 pm Dear Arthur Thanks ever so much for such a long series of excellent photographs. I feel sure they would make a fine book if you wanted to. The inside of the wagon shops were also of particular interest as I am finishing off a model of such a building and the details of the interior are very helpful; the stove in the middle with the huge chimney is excellent detail. All the best Paul York __________________________________________ Comment posted by DaveF on Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:01 pm Hi Arthur, I have really enjoyed looking at your photos. Sadly I didn't get to the north east until 1980, so you have shown me what it was like in the "real" days - a bit different from Cambois with its 37s and 56s! David __________________________________________ Comment posted by Willster on Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:32 am Arthur, Thankyou for yet another journey down memory lane. These photographs are just wonderful, particularly for details. Just look at those pictures of 65811. Almost sixty years of hard graft is shown in the bending of the front bufferbeam around the drawhook. If we modelled that, we would be seriously questioned no doubt. Bob __________________________________________ ??? posted on Tue Sep 15, 2009 1:23 pm Willster wrote: Arthur, Thankyou for yet another journey down memory lane. These photographs are just wonderful, particularly for details. Just look at those pictures of 65811. Almost sixty years of hard graft is shown in the bending of the front bufferbeam around the drawhook. If we modelled that, we would be seriously questioned no doubt. Bob They would think that you were even crazier if you modelled the damaged boiler cladding on 65811. Looks as though it has been hoisted in the air by a couple of hawsers around the boiler. Perhaps a quick way of rerailing it or did it fall on its side. This damage can be seen more clearly in the photos that I took at North Blyth. Did you notice the object hanging from the handrail? This is I suspect a makeshift armrest which the enginemen used to make and hang on the open rear window sill. More comfortable than resting on the sill itself. Sometimes these were padded. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Phil on Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:51 pm ArthurK wrote: That concludes my views of steam in the Northeast. I will fill in a few gaps with a few diesels at Low Fell. Yes, for those who think otherwise, I did photograph these especially when there was nothing else. My very last shot in this area was a GNER express to London. I was so apalled with that livery I never went back. Arthur. I'd like to add my thanks to you for this very interesting thread. I've never really taken a great deal of interest in the are you have iilustrated, but your images are absolutely fascinating. I can well imagine "furriners" wondering what the heck those old antique looking locos were doing still in steam, but they certainly proved their worth, value and ruggedness as they survived to the end of steam in the NER. Thanks again, and feel free to post any more green diesels piccies you mind find lurking __________________________________________ ??? posted on Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:24 pm A few Diesels at Low Fell We are moving on a bit to 1973. Steam is history. But Diesels still had plenty of work to do. Even some of these were to disappear in the not too distant future as the industry in the Northeast declined, especially the mining industry. Here we have a mix of green and blue. __________________________________________ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The principal problem with steam locos is when towed 'dead' there is no lubrication being supplied to the moving parks i.e. pistons, rod bearings etc. Therefore not only is is harder to pull but it also runs the risk of the bearings overheating and failing. To overcome this it is necessary to have a stem locomotive in 'light steam' which ensures sufficient lubrication is provided to the moving parts without providing sufficiant steam to acutually start moving about or doing any work. At the recent Eastleigh open day for example, the steam locos from the Swanage were all in 'in ticket' (i.e. in working order) and consiquently were towed there in light steam so the connecting rods could stay on. On the other hand, I believe that at least one of the mid hants locos was 'out of ticket' and could not be steamed even if they had wanted to. Therefore it was necessary to remove the connecting rods from their locos before transit as they were being towed dead from Alton __________________________________________ ??? posted on Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:21 pm And a few more Now this is a livery that I like much better than all over blue and much less gaudy than some of the later ones This train was stopped by signals, presumably because it was about to cross onto the fast line. I was able to get more than one shot. I have a third but I seem to have misplaced it! Will do a search. Found it, here it is. But back to blue again! __________________________________________ Comment posted by Willster on Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:17 pm ArthurK wrote: Did you notice the object hanging from the handrail? This is I suspect a makeshift armrest which the enginemen used to make and hang on the open rear window sill. More comfortable than resting on the sill itself. Sometimes these were padded. Arthur, yes I did notice the armrest on the handrail. I have seen these in use on other photographs before. I just wish I could find them now. If I do I will post one, unless you have one of your own ?. Thankyou again for a wonderful selection. Bob __________________________________________ ??? posted on Thu Sep 17, 2009 9:52 pm Willster wrote: Arthur, yes I did notice the armrest on the handrail. I have seen these in use on other photographs before. I just wish I could find them now. If I do I will post one, unless you have one of your own ?. Thankyou again for a wonderful selection. Bob Have another look at the enlarged view of 65831 (page eight of this thread. One of these rests can be seen on the drivers side (right). Also the close up of 65811 inside North Blyth shed (page 6) shows another of these in situ. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:02 pm Still More at Low Fell 1975 One of my later visits to this area to photograph trains was on the occasion of the S&D 150 celebrations. I took a few of these before my visit to Shildon on the Sunday before the big event. First a shot of the south end of the King Edward Bridge. Three shots taken at Tyne Yard. First a 37 with a train of loaded hoppers heading North from the yard. Next a line of Snow Ploughs. They must have been expecting a bad winter. The a lone 45 no. 45041. A little further south there is a nice viaduct at Chester le Street. On a very misty day a train of tankers heads south. I take it that the vans are barrier wagons between parts of the load. No doubt someone will correct me. Back now to Low Fell. The diesel in the forground is taking the curve to Bensham, A 37 approaches with hoppers on the up main. Note that the cossover between the slow and main lines has been taken out although its remains are still there. Next a pair of 37s with a train of flat wagons approaches from the Bensham direction. The line leads to Dunston and hence to Blaydon and the West. The remains of the crossover are clearly sieen in this shot and in the next. Sorry about the smudge on this, it appears to be a processing fault. Blue Deltic with a London train. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Fat Controller on Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:19 pm ArthurK wrote: Still More at Low Fell 1975 One of my later visits to this area to photograph trains was on the occasion of the S&D 150 celebrations. I took a few of these before my visit to Shildon on the Sunday before the big event. First a shot of the south end of the King Edward Bridge. 715 King Edward Bridge Sep 1975.jpg Three shots taken at Tyne Yard. First a 37 with a train of loaded hoppers heading North from the yard. 716 Class 37 Tyne Yard Sep 1975.jpg Next a line of Snow Ploughs. They must have been expecting a bad winter. 718 Snow Ploughs Tyne Yard Sep 1975.jpg The a lone 45 no. 45041. 719 45041 Tyne Yard Sep 1975.jpg A little further south there is a nice viaduct at Chester le Street. On a very misty day a train of tankers heads south. I take it that the vans are barrier wagons between parts of the load. No doubt someone will correct me. 720 Chester le Street Sep 1975.jpg Back now to Low Fell. The diesel in the forground is taking the curve to Bensham, A 37 approaches with hoppers on the up main. Note that the cossover between the slow and main lines has been taken out although its remains are still there. 721 31 & 37 Low Fell Sep 1975.jpg Next a pair of 37s with a train of flat wagons approaches from the Bensham direction. The line leads to Dunston and hence to Blaydon and the West. The remains of the crossover are clearly sieen in this shot and in the next. Sorry about the smudge on this, it appears to be a processing fault. 722 Pair of 37s with Flats Seo 1975.jpg Blue Deltic with a London train. 723 Deltic with London Train Low Fell Sep 1975.jpg You're correct about the vans (former Blue Spot fish vans) being barrier vans, being used because of the hazardous nature of the load. The train is almost certainly returning from either Grangemouth or Leith to Haverton Hill. The odd thing to my eyes is that the train appears to be conveying two seperate types of tank. I'm not sure what the first five are, but the second group carry hydrocyanic acid, I believe. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:28 pm Marley Hill Earlier I promised photographs taken at Marley Hill. This is the centre for the Tanfield Railway which operates the line from Marley Hill to Sunniside. Marley Hill was the site of a former colliery and the line lead from there to the Tyne at Gateshead. The first shots were taken (I think) in October 1974. The preserved J21 was partially dismantled inside the shed whilst its tender was outside. The latter was in a pretty poor state as can be seen from the photo, Less obvious was the coal plate behind the toolboxes consisted of little more than the beading. The remainer was virtually all rusted away. Maley Hill had a collection of ex NCB engines including a Kitson design of short wheelbase 0-6-0 built for the Consett Iron Company and which served at Derwenthaugh. Others were from Ashington. Also there was one of the ex Doxford Crane tanks from the shipyard at Sunderland and an 0-4-0 Overhead electric loco. __________________________________________ Comment posted by micklner on Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:06 pm Re the J21. I saw it on the North Norfolk Railway last year even rougher rotten external condition for theboiler and footplate not much else, no sign of the tender at that time. Mick __________________________________________ ??? posted on Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:22 pm micklner wrote: Re the J21. I saw it on the North Norfolk Railway last year even rougher rotten external condition for theboiler and footplate not much else, no sign of the tender at that time. Mick As you may know the J21 spent some time at Beamish. I saw it there several times in a variety of states, even in Steam. I have a number of photos raken there, perhaps I will post one as a bit of light relief. I understand that the intention is to get it back into full working order. As I understand it, that is why it is at the NNR. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:00 pm A short interlude at Beamish As I remarked above I was lucky enough to see the J21 in steam at Beamish in 1980. Here are a few of the photographs that I took. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Phil on Thu Oct 01, 2009 8:32 pm Arthur Still enjoying your Northeast thread with it's various perambulations. Slight correction on this title ArthurK wrote: The diesel in the foreground (class 31) is taking the curve to Bensham, A class 40 approaches with hoppers on the up main. Note that the crossover between the slow and main lines has been taken out although its remains are still there. Fat Controller wrote: You're correct about the vans (former Blue Spot fish vans) being barrier vans, being used because of the hazardous nature of the load. The train is almost certainly returning from either Grangemouth or Leith to Haverton Hill. The odd thing to my eyes is that the train appears to be conveying two separate types of tank. I'm not sure what the first five are, but the second group carry hydrocyanic acid, I believe. Bri - I reckon the first batch of tanks are actually the Blue Circle Cemflo cement tanks which were operated on the Cliffe-Uddingston service hauled by the class 33s up the ECML. Being vacuum braked, they'd form the fitted head along with the "blue spot" vans (P/G changover levers in "goods" of course) Great stuff Arthur - nice to see something different. __________________________________________ Comment posted by 52a on Thu Oct 01, 2009 11:05 pm As an ex Tyne Yarder (amongst other things!) having worked these trains, the first set of tanks are empty hydrocyanic acid tanks followed by empty ammonia tanks. Although empty they are still both classed as hazardous. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Phil on Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:33 am 52a wrote: As an ex Tyne Yarder (amongst other things!) having worked these trains, the first set of tanks are empty hydrocyanic acid tanks followed by empty ammonia tanks. Although empty they are still both classed as hazardous. Thanks 52A - I stand corrected. I thought I saw a crease in the bodyside and end - obviously not Cheers __________________________________________ Comment posted by OgaugeJB on Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:08 am Hi Arthur.. you wouldn't happen to have any images of the top of a curved roof GN cab would you ? I am building a K2 (GNR H3) at the moment, and In all the shots that I have in Yeadons, I can see big rivets on the roof, but I can't exactly see where they are located, or if the roof and sides were actually one piece, or if there was another plate at the top joining the two halves... Just wondering... Thanks. JB. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:25 am OgaugeJB wrote: Hi Arthur.. you wouldn't happen to have any images of the top of a curved roof GN cab would you ? I am building a K2 (GNR H3) at the moment, and In all the shots that I have in Yeadons, I can see big rivets on the roof, but I can't exactly see where they are located, or if the roof and sides were actually one piece, or if there was another plate at the top joining the two halves... Just wondering... Thanks. JB. Sorry I do not have any photos of GNR cabs except for the preserved C1/C2. I have a number of shots of these. I will have a look. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:51 pm Back to Marley Hill There were still ex-NCB locos on the site when I returned in August 1974. some in steam. First NCB No. 58 Next No. 38. Correct me if I am wrong but I believe that this is one of the Ashington locos. Not sure of the origins of the next one, I believe that is continental. This pretty little 0-4-0ST (Hawthorn Stephenson?) had obviously be just outshopped with a new paint job 0-4-0 Diesel shunter. Three shots of a 20T wooden hopper which has obviously seen better day judging from the state of the corner plate. I included this one because it show one of the variations of the end brakes used on some of these wagons. The axlebox betrays its NER origins. Another view of the ex CIC loco No. 41 South Durham Malleable No. 5. From one of the Teeside iron works. __________________________________________ Comment posted by buckdancer on Sat Oct 03, 2009 6:35 am Arthur, thanks again for these great photos. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sat Oct 03, 2009 2:49 pm Still at Marley Hill. August 1974 Carrying on from the above. Inside the workshop work was is progress on several locos. At the end of the workshop was this Steam Crane Outside the J21 was in one piece again. I took the opportunity to photgraph the cab details. These are usually very difficult to come by. The Blower valve is on the smokebox side looking like an oversized handrail knob (see comments later). Though the drivers window we have the vacuum brake valve. Viewed from inside the backhead injectors are there in full detail. Regulator top centre of backhead. The gauge glasses have been removed. Note the shelf above the firedoor, usually occupied by a can of tea for the crewe. Bottom left in the next is the lever for the rear sanders. To the top, left of the boiler, is the wheel for the smokebox blower valve which is operated by a rod passing through the hollow handrail. This was common to most NER locos. The reversing lever and other gubbins on the right of the cab. The firedoor on these locos was the older oval variety. A closeup of the reverse latch mechanism. The drivers vacuum brake valve is at top centre. Finally for this batch the steam manifold od the firebox top. The connection was external to the cab and would normally be covered by a box. The single handed regulator handle is in the centre. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sat Oct 03, 2009 4:05 pm Marley Hill - just a few in colour I did take a few colour shots at Marley Hill in August 1974. I hadn't at this time switched completely to colour. The film is still Agfa and doesn't scan too well The Kitson design short wheelbase 0-6-0PT for the CIC. Then NCB No. 41 NCB No. 38 from Ashington. 20T wooden hopper with the end brake. NCB Electric 0-4-0 shunter. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Adam on Sat Oct 03, 2009 5:26 pm Never mind the electric at the bottom - that looks like a 'protected' WW1 period Simplex - any idea where it came from? Adam __________________________________________ Comment posted by Fat Controller on Sat Oct 03, 2009 5:40 pm Adam wrote: Never mind the electric at the bottom - that looks like a 'protected' WW1 period Simplex - any idea where it came from? Adam It looks as though it says 'Newalls' on the side- presumably 'Turner and Newalls', the asbestos people? I did have a look at Tanfield's web-site, but couldn't find any sort of stock list. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Phil on Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:16 am Adam wrote: Never mind the electric at the bottom - that looks like a 'protected' WW1 period Simplex - any idea where it came from? Adam Fat Controller wrote: It looks as though it says 'Newalls' on the side- presumably 'Turner and Newalls', the asbestos people? I did have a look at Tanfield's web-site, but couldn't find any sort of stock list. Well you learn summat every day dontcha ? I always thought the protected Simplexes were narrow guage and never gave it a thought there'd be SGers too !! __________________________________________ Comment posted by 60B on Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:46 pm ArthurK wrote: The Kitson design short wheelbase 0-6-0PT for the CIC. Then NCB No. 41 Out of curiosity (wonderful thread btw), is there a 00 kit for this or is it a scratchbuilding project? __________________________________________ Comment posted by Toftwood on Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:52 am I think this a fabulous thread.. brings back some good memories. some brill shots not been able to view all so far. anyway to bookmark this thread. Don't want to lose these images Pete __________________________________________ Comment posted by Nortonian on Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:02 pm Arthur, Thankyou for posting the J21 photographs. You always dream that someone somewhere, had taken these kind of shots, and they have, its you ! Best regards Ian __________________________________________ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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These were part of my childhood and well within my play range. Perhaps some day __________________________________________ Comment posted by 60B on Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:43 pm ArthurK wrote: 60B wrote: ArthurK wrote: The Kitson design short wheelbase 0-6-0PT for the CIC. Then NCB No. 41 Out of curiosity (wonderful thread btw), is there a 00 kit for this or is it a scratchbuilding project? Not as far as I know. But I am tempted to have a go at making some etches. These were part of my childhood and well within my play range. Perhaps some day Like tommorow? __________________________________________ Comment posted by timlewis on Thu Oct 08, 2009 10:52 am Nortonian wrote: Arthur, Thankyou for posting the J21 photographs. You always dream that someone somewhere, had taken these kind of shots, and they have, its you ! Best regards Ian For more shots of J21 details (albeit in preservation rather than in revenue service), see this topic: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=33299 Hope they're useful. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Mallard60022 on Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:32 am ArthurK wrote: 60B wrote: ArthurK wrote: The Kitson design short wheelbase 0-6-0PT for the CIC. Then NCB No. 41 Out of curiosity (wonderful thread btw), is there a 00 kit for this or is it a scratchbuilding project? Not as far as I know. But I am tempted to have a go at making some etches. These were part of my childhood and well within my play range. Perhaps some day Arthur. I think Hobby Holidays are running an etching type course some time soon (November?). Would that be of any help? Sincerely, Phil R. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Nortonian on Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:26 pm Phil, Arthur already produces his own 4mm kits of NER types. See the kit and scratchbuilding thread areas. Tim, Thankyou for the link. I have not really looked in the prototype info forum yet so i did not see your thread. At the time you took those photographs, I was a NELPG volunteer. I remember a few years later having some of our restoration team look over the J21 and came back deciding not to get involved as we had enough to contend with at the time. I think we were approached by Beamish. Regards Ian __________________________________________ ??? posted on Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:21 pm Marley Hill May 1982 I made a further visit to Marley Hill in the May of 1982. Things had changed since my visit seven years earlier. Rather weary looking industrial locos were congregating here then and in contrast a number of immaculate locos, glistening with new(?) paint jobs. (Or were they just very well looked after). There was also a number of wagons that I had not seen there before. feast your eyes on the contrast in the various items on display. We will start with shots of industrial locos seriously in need of attention. In the first shot we Have NCB No. 17 from West Ayr then NCB No. 49 and 0-6-0ST also NCB A closer view of NCB 0-6-0ST The line up from the other direction, seven locos in all. Then something completely different a 10/11Ton (?) hopper. Not seen one in that livery before, nor as clean. There were three very clean locos in steam in complete contrast with those shown above. The leading engine was there on earlier visits. Irwell is a long way from its Manchester home. Immaculate NCB No. 38 Resplendent in its black, lined red livery. I don't image it was ever that clean in real life. There were number of vans on display including the LNER fruit van. End detail of the fruit van Twelve Ton Van. I have not identified the vehicle beyond but it has a GNR appearance. A general view of the shed area. Note the threeway point in the foreground. NER birdcage brake. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Cheesemonger on Thu Oct 08, 2009 8:48 pm A notable feature of picture 1696 is the genuine pithead in the background. I would have been taken to Marley Hill around then a number of times as a child (Grandma lived up in the hill in East Stanley), but I have no memory of the pit still being there. Does anyone know when it was closed? __________________________________________ Comment posted by Fat Controller on Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:00 pm Cheesemonger wrote: A notable feature of picture 1696 is the genuine pithead in the background. I would have been taken to Marley Hill around then a number of times as a child (Grandma lived up in the hill in East Stanley), but I have no memory of the pit still being there. Does anyone know when it was closed? The pit-head may have still been there, but I suspect the pit had probably gone by the mid/late 1960s, when most deep mines on the inland field in Durham shut. A lot just had the head-gear removed, and the buildings either let for industrial use or left to decay. The ones in Clara Vale, where we lived from 1982-91, had a couple of small engineering firms until the mid-1980s. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Cheesemonger on Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:19 pm Bit of research suggests Marley Hill Colliery was still (just) open then: http://www.dmm.org.uk/colliery/m003.htm, and I think it would have been in that direction, from memory. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Owentheguitarist666 on Thu Oct 08, 2009 10:18 pm cracking photos from Tanfield, aye nice to see 38 working ashington BEAST! __________________________________________ Comment posted by Arpster on Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:21 pm That Fruit van is still there, slowly rotting and rusting away. I have some photos of it from the other weekend where the paint is peeling off. It could do with a touch-up! The area of the former colliery is now a wasteland of silver birch saplings. Arp __________________________________________ Comment posted by Owentheguitarist666 on Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:13 pm Arpster wrote: That Fruit van is still there, slowly rotting and rusting away. I have some photos of it from the other weekend where the paint is peeling off. It could do with a touch-up! The area of the former colliery is now a wasteland of silver birch saplings. Arp yeah, ( i work in the C&W at Tanfield), its on the list of things to do. but as you know everytime takes time. yeah nature is slowly taking back the colliery site. but on the other hand East Tanfield Colliery has been getting cleared. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sat Oct 10, 2009 2:04 pm Now the last that I have of Marley Hill A general view of the shed. NCB No. 38 doing a bit of loco pushing. After dropping the two smaller locos in a siding it reverses back into another. Note that the colliery pithead gear is still intact in this shot, Finally a view inside of the shed. The green 0-4-0 was in the open on an earlier visit. It is in steam. One of the carriages is recieving attention. Anyone identify the rest? __________________________________________ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ArthurK Posted November 3, 2009 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 3, 2009 Photos From 1960s - NE area by ArthurK original page on Old RMweb __________________________________________ Comment posted by Owentheguitarist666 on Wed Oct 07, 2009 2:33 pm Cracking Stuff, had a flick though this topic, love seeing pics of Tanfield in the ealry days its changed so much since then and still changing. maybe the j21 could come back to TR one day nice to see it there again. Twizell is due back and getting tested atm, it does look better in the black than in the green when it was at Beamish __________________________________________ ??? posted on Wed Oct 07, 2009 2:59 pm 60B wrote: ArthurK wrote: The Kitson design short wheelbase 0-6-0PT for the CIC. Then NCB No. 41 Out of curiosity (wonderful thread btw), is there a 00 kit for this or is it a scratchbuilding project? Not as far as I know. But I am tempted to have a go at making some etches. These were part of my childhood and well within my play range. Perhaps some day __________________________________________ Comment posted by 60B on Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:43 pm ArthurK wrote: 60B wrote: ArthurK wrote: The Kitson design short wheelbase 0-6-0PT for the CIC. Then NCB No. 41 Out of curiosity (wonderful thread btw), is there a 00 kit for this or is it a scratchbuilding project? Not as far as I know. But I am tempted to have a go at making some etches. These were part of my childhood and well within my play range. Perhaps some day Like tommorow? __________________________________________ Comment posted by timlewis on Thu Oct 08, 2009 10:52 am Nortonian wrote: Arthur, Thankyou for posting the J21 photographs. You always dream that someone somewhere, had taken these kind of shots, and they have, its you ! Best regards Ian For more shots of J21 details (albeit in preservation rather than in revenue service), see this topic: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=33299 Hope they're useful. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Mallard60022 on Thu Oct 08, 2009 11:32 am ArthurK wrote: 60B wrote: ArthurK wrote: The Kitson design short wheelbase 0-6-0PT for the CIC. Then NCB No. 41 Out of curiosity (wonderful thread btw), is there a 00 kit for this or is it a scratchbuilding project? Not as far as I know. But I am tempted to have a go at making some etches. These were part of my childhood and well within my play range. Perhaps some day Arthur. I think Hobby Holidays are running an etching type course some time soon (November?). Would that be of any help? Sincerely, Phil R. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Nortonian on Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:26 pm Phil, Arthur already produces his own 4mm kits of NER types. See the kit and scratchbuilding thread areas. Tim, Thankyou for the link. I have not really looked in the prototype info forum yet so i did not see your thread. At the time you took those photographs, I was a NELPG volunteer. I remember a few years later having some of our restoration team look over the J21 and came back deciding not to get involved as we had enough to contend with at the time. I think we were approached by Beamish. Regards Ian __________________________________________ ??? posted on Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:21 pm Marley Hill May 1982 I made a further visit to Marley Hill in the May of 1982. Things had changed since my visit seven years earlier. Rather weary looking industrial locos were congregating here then and in contrast a number of immaculate locos, glistening with new(?) paint jobs. (Or were they just very well looked after). There was also a number of wagons that I had not seen there before. feast your eyes on the contrast in the various items on display. We will start with shots of industrial locos seriously in need of attention. In the first shot we Have NCB No. 17 from West Ayr then NCB No. 49 and 0-6-0ST also NCB A closer view of NCB 0-6-0ST The line up from the other direction, seven locos in all. Then something completely different a 10/11Ton (?) hopper. Not seen one in that livery before, nor as clean. There were three very clean locos in steam in complete contrast with those shown above. The leading engine was there on earlier visits. Irwell is a long way from its Manchester home. Immaculate NCB No. 38 Resplendent in its black, lined red livery. I don't image it was ever that clean in real life. There were number of vans on display including the LNER fruit van. End detail of the fruit van Twelve Ton Van. I have not identified the vehicle beyond but it has a GNR appearance. A general view of the shed area. Note the threeway point in the foreground. NER birdcage brake. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Cheesemonger on Thu Oct 08, 2009 8:48 pm A notable feature of picture 1696 is the genuine pithead in the background. I would have been taken to Marley Hill around then a number of times as a child (Grandma lived up in the hill in East Stanley), but I have no memory of the pit still being there. Does anyone know when it was closed? __________________________________________ Comment posted by Fat Controller on Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:00 pm Cheesemonger wrote: A notable feature of picture 1696 is the genuine pithead in the background. I would have been taken to Marley Hill around then a number of times as a child (Grandma lived up in the hill in East Stanley), but I have no memory of the pit still being there. Does anyone know when it was closed? The pit-head may have still been there, but I suspect the pit had probably gone by the mid/late 1960s, when most deep mines on the inland field in Durham shut. A lot just had the head-gear removed, and the buildings either let for industrial use or left to decay. The ones in Clara Vale, where we lived from 1982-91, had a couple of small engineering firms until the mid-1980s. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Cheesemonger on Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:19 pm Bit of research suggests Marley Hill Colliery was still (just) open then: http://www.dmm.org.uk/colliery/m003.htm, and I think it would have been in that direction, from memory. __________________________________________ Comment posted by Owentheguitarist666 on Thu Oct 08, 2009 10:18 pm cracking photos from Tanfield, aye nice to see 38 working ashington BEAST! __________________________________________ Comment posted by Arpster on Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:21 pm That Fruit van is still there, slowly rotting and rusting away. I have some photos of it from the other weekend where the paint is peeling off. It could do with a touch-up! The area of the former colliery is now a wasteland of silver birch saplings. Arp __________________________________________ Comment posted by Owentheguitarist666 on Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:13 pm Arpster wrote: That Fruit van is still there, slowly rotting and rusting away. I have some photos of it from the other weekend where the paint is peeling off. It could do with a touch-up! The area of the former colliery is now a wasteland of silver birch saplings. Arp yeah, ( i work in the C&W at Tanfield), its on the list of things to do. but as you know everytime takes time. yeah nature is slowly taking back the colliery site. but on the other hand East Tanfield Colliery has been getting cleared. __________________________________________ ??? posted on Sat Oct 10, 2009 2:04 pm Now the last that I have of Marley Hill A general view of the shed. NCB No. 38 doing a bit of loco pushing. After dropping the two smaller locos in a siding it reverses back into another. Note that the colliery pithead gear is still intact in this shot, Finally a view inside of the shed. The green 0-4-0 was in the open on an earlier visit. It is in steam. One of the carriages is recieving attention. Anyone identify the rest? __________________________________________ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RMweb Premium ArthurK Posted November 14, 2009 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 14, 2009 Stopover at York It has been some time since I posted my photographs on this thread so I will make a restart. I have posted most of my Tyneside photos so we will wander a little further afield. First of the new batch were taken at York. After I moved to Lancashire I did not travel on the ECML very often but when I did I tried to have a stopover at York for an hour or so and the catch a later train to Newcastle. One such stopover was in May 1962 travelling back from Kings Cross (I will post those photos later). It was long enough ago to photograph B16 and O2, types that I had not photographed before. First V2 and train leaving from one the outer platforms at York (was it 14)? Next B1 61291 heads north light engine probably heading for the shed. A3 60062 Brings in a train with Thompson coaches at the head from the north Station pilot D2158 Does a little shunting at the north end of the station. B16/3 No. 61417 was a Thompson rebuild of this 70 stong NER class. One was detroyed in the air-raid on york shed when A4 "Ralph Wedgewood" was also too severely damaged to repair. Last of this batch is an O2 No.63984. The O2s rarely went north of York but I have seen them very ocasionally at Newcastle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ArthurK Posted November 15, 2009 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 15, 2009 Stopovers at York During the stopover above I took only one colour shot. The date was March 1962. A4 "Walter K Whigham" Heads a train north to Newcastle. This was posted earlier in this thread but I have added it in it's proper place. During a second visit in April 1963 I took a number of lineside shots then a visit to the old Museum at Queen Street, Then back to the lineside. Not too sure where the lineside shots were taken, anyone identifying these let me know. The First shot is V2 60828. I have remarked elsewhere that this loco seemed to follow me around Next B1 61084 with goods heading south. A second V2 60974 light engine. Express headed by Deltic D9020. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ArthurK Posted November 15, 2009 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 15, 2009 York Queen Street I made only one visit the the NRM at Queen street before it's relocation to Leeman Road. The was only room for a limited number of Locos and they were not easy to photograph, but I tried! First is a colour shot of GNR 990 "Henry Oakley". Lighting was pretty low. My shot of 1275 was hoelessly blurred. Returning to B&W we next have LBSC 0-4-2 "Gladstone". Next Tennant 2-4-0 No. 1463. GNR 990 again. Finally NER class M (LNER D17/1) 4-4-0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 This is an extraordinary archive - thank you very much for going to the trouble of putting it on! I find it very evocative, as I was born in Low Fell, overlooking the railway in 1961. Sadly, we left in 1965, and I have no recollection of that wonderful view! Such a waste. Thanks again.... Giles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ArthurK Posted November 15, 2009 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 15, 2009 This is an extraordinary archive - thank you very much for going to the trouble of putting it on! I find it very evocative, as I was born in Low Fell, overlooking the railway in 1961. Sadly, we left in 1965, and I have no recollection of that wonderful view! Such a waste. Thanks again.... Giles Pleased that you have found it interesting. I spent many hours by the lineside at Low Fell. When we went north for holidays it was just an easy drive from my parents and in-laws homes'. After finishing the York photos (only a few more) I will move back northwards to Darlington then further south ending up at Kings Cross and Liverpool Street. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ArthurK Posted November 15, 2009 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 15, 2009 York This is the last of the York batch First V2 60828 this time in colour. In the previous shot it was reversing to pick up it's train. Next A grimy WD (weren't they always?) 90344 with a train of flats. Finally Type 3 (Class 37) 6765 with a mixed train. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian Smeeton Posted November 16, 2009 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 16, 2009 Great stuff Arthur, please keep them coming. Of almost as much interest as the locos themselves are the glimpses of the infrastructure in the background. Regards Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ArthurK Posted November 16, 2009 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 16, 2009 Darlington Shed As promised we now move to Darlington. Normally we returned to Lancashire via the senic root, Middleton in Teesdale, Brough and Kirby Stephen to join the M6 at Tebay. However winter visits often meant using a lower route via Darlington and Bishop Aukland. On two of these returns we stopped off at Darlington shed where we could park near to the turntable. I am posting a few shots taken during these visits. There was usually an A3 acting as standby in the event of failure on the ECML. On this occasion it was 60036 Colombo. As this stood just by the turtable I had an excellent view of it. In the background was 4MT 43099. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrushVeteran Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 ArthurK This is one of the most interesting and inspiring collections of images I have ever seen on a website. You should be immensely proud to have recorded these and I only wish my photography could have reproduced the nostalgia that yours has achieved. Absolutely superb! Regards Grahame Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Regarding the lineside shots around York- some, at least,(notably those with the V2) were taken at Dringhouses Yard, which was on the Up side a mile or so south of York. I recollect there being a garden railway visible at the rear of one of those semis backing on to the main line. On the Down side, there are still some sidings (Holgate Reception Sidings)used to hold freight trains awaiting a path north. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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