weymouth slip

hi after a bit of info on the weymouth slip off the limited

i know at around 38 it was f23 and brake comp e138 sliped at westbury but what i would like to know is how did it get to weymouth

ie what train took it and bought it back and formation of said trains

were the slip and comp added to the frount or rear

were anymore than the 2 coaches ever sliped

also any photos of the f23 in shirt button livery

thanks mark

The maximum permissible number of ordinary coaches attached to a slip coach was four I think, but this was very rare. Usually, the CRE Weymouth section was only one slip coach in the Winter, and then a brake compo would be added after Easter, and in high season it was usual for there not to be any Weymouth slip portion on the main CRE and a dedicated CRE relief train to Weymouth would be run from Paddington. Not sure about the train or the motive power for the Weymouth slip portion after Westbury - in early days, it would probably have been a Bulldog or a Mogul (the usual engines on the line) - the most likely 1938 motive power would probably have been a Hall?

but what i would like to know is how did it get to weymouth

Will need to do a bit of digging to find the details but a Westbury pannier picked up the coaches and took them into Westbury where they were added to a regular service train. Probably one from Bristol but for some reason a Swindon service rings a bell.

Can have a dig if needed.

Stu

please dig stu if you can

i guessed bristol service but i did wonder if it went on a wolverhampton train ie express as westbury weymouth is a fair way

i know coach was marked paddinton westbury frome yeovil weymouth

mark

In winter 1957-58 the slip coach was collected from Heywood Road at 12.10 pm and arrived at Westbury three minutes later. The next available train from Westbury to Weymouth was the 11.45 from Chippenham which left Westbury at 12.42 pm having stood there for 16 minutes. It called at the majority of intermediate stations and arrived at Weymouth at 2.43 pm.

Chris

Thanks mike that's great part of the jigsaw put together

Do you know what was the common practice of attaching them at westbury front or rear

Main interest is how they traveled though Yeovil pen mill in aprox 38

Cheers mark

I have the reprint of the 1938 coach workings at home. I'll try to remember to check tonight.

Adrian

thanks adrian

There was a spur at Heywood Road box for the retrieval loco to stand awaiting the CRE to pass on the cut off. There is a good P M Alexander shot of a 54XX pulling away from Heywood Road towards the station with an F24 slip coach.

I have the same info as Mike regarding the 12;25 to Weymouth.

In terms of formation I assume the pannier took the stock into Westbury station, ran round and attached to the rear, other wise there would be extra loco movements. Pure speculation based on what happened elsewhere.

At Bicester the slip portion went to the front only because the loco off the next working was required to retrieve the slip portion from the main line and attach to its'train, there being no loco based at Bicester.

Mike Wiltshire

From "Programme of Working of Coaches in Through Trains September 27th, 1937, to July 3rd, 1938" (Dragonwheel Books reprint ISBN 1 905014 53 8 ):
Note that this is the winter schedule, there may have been larger slip portions in the summer.

The Weymouth slips were covered by Slip Coach Workings (SCW) #2 and #5, both for double-ended slips.

SCW #2:
10:30am Paddington, slipped at Heywood Rd. Junction
taken forward on the 12.7pm Heywood Rd. Junction to Westbury
taken forward on the 12.16pm Westbury to Weymouth
taken forward on the 6:15pm Weymouth to Frome (Mon, Tue, Thurs only)

SCW #5
6:50am Weymouth, slipped at Reading (Mon, Thurs, Sat only)
8.21am Frome, slipped at Reading (Tue, Wed, Fri only)
taken forward on the 10:50am Reading to Paddington (except Sat)
taken forward on the 12:15pm Reading to Paddington (Sat only)

So the service was done with two double-ended slips, call them A and B
Monday:
A: Paddington, Heywood Rd Junction (slip), Westbury, Weymouth, Frome
B: Weymouth, Reading (slip), Paddington
Tuesday:
B: Paddington, Heywood Rd Junction (slip), Westbury, Weymouth, Frome
A: Frome, Reading (slip), Paddington
Wednesday:
A: Paddington, Heywood Rd Junction (slip), Westbury, Weymouth
B: Frome, Reading (slip), Paddington
Thursday:
B: Paddington, Heywood Rd Junction (slip), Westbury, Weymouth, Frome
A: Weymouth, Reading (slip), Paddington
Friday:
A: Paddington, Heywood Rd Junction (slip), Westbury, Weymouth
B: Frome, Reading (slip), Paddington
Saturday:
A: Paddington, Heywood Rd Junction (slip), Westbury, Weymouth
B: Weymouth, Reading (slip), Paddington
Monday:
B: Paddington, Heywood Rd Junction (slip), Westbury, Weymouth, Frome
A: Weymouth, Reading (slip), Paddington
etc...

Now, looking at the specific trains:
10:30 Paddington (the Limited)
- shows SCW #2 with a Brake Compo (brake end trailing) slipped with it for Weymouth (will follow SCW #2 to Weymouth, then see below)
6:50 Weymouth to Paddington
- shows SCW #5 with a Saturdays only Corridor Third also slipped at Reading
8:21 Frome to Paddington
- shows SCW #5

Brake Compo returns to Paddington:
4:15pm Weymouth to Paddington (Mon only)
6:50am Weymouth to Paddington (Thurs and Sat only)
11:45 am Weymouth to Paddington (Wed and Fri only)
6:15pm Weymouth to Westbury (Sat only) 7.6pm Westbury to Paddington (Sun only, up to May 29, 1938)
5:27pm Weymouth to Paddington (Sun only, starting June 5, 1938)

I'm afraid I can't help on what the Heywood Rd. Junction - Westbury - Weymouth trains would be, though, as they don't appear to be 'Through' trains so aren't listed.

Adrian

Adrian's post above brought about a light bulb moment! I found the following in the Bristol CWP for winter 1951-52:

Set 344 - slip

10.30 am Paddington - Heywood Road Jcn. Attached rear Set 13, Cornish Riviera Express

12.15 pm Heywood Road Jcn - Westbury

12.47 pm Westbury Weymouth. Attached to rear Set 362, 11.45 am Chippenham - Weymouth,

Next day: Set 345 - slip

Saturdays excepted:

8.15 am Weymouth - Bristol TM. Attached rear set 355 [M set]

10.52 am ECS Bristol TM - Malago Vale. As above

3.55 pm ECS Malago Vale - Bristol TM. Attached rear set 72. 9 coaches, return of 9.5 am Paddington - Bristol

4.15 pm Bristol TM - Reading - slipped at Reading, main train continues to Paddington

Saturdays only

6.30 am Weymouth - Paddington. Attached rear set 42 - three coaches adding four more and a mail stowage van at Westbury

Another slip [set 353] travelled from Weymouth to Paddington attached to the 9.0 am Weymouth - Paddington, returning on the rear of the 3.30 pm Paddington - Plymouth as far as Heywood Road Jcn whence it was rescued at 5.14 pm. It went forward to Weymouth at 5.24 pm attached to the 4.15 pm Bristol - Weymouth but it is not stated whether on front or rear.

Chris.

thank you for all of that been very helpfull

mark

Would slip coaches have been specifically designed for slipping....

I think you've answered your own question there!

Would slip coaches have been specifically designed for slipping or would any coach be able to slip?

Specially designed. They had a slip guard brake compartment ot one or both ends; a lever that dropped the coupling hook and released the brake and other fittings; and tanks below "filled" with vacuum to enable the brake to be operated by the slip guard. I think I've got a drwing of the slip gear at home: I'll check this evening.

Mark A

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