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Turnout Construction Fixtures


Rammstein2609

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In my first post on the modular fiddle yard design I mentioned B8 turnouts had been chosen for the fiddle yard. There is very good reason for this which I can now show.

 

For several weeks I have been working on a few designs for 2mm finescale flat bottom turnout construction fixtures. I started off with Templot to create the turnout drawing then imported this into Autocad as a DXF. This is where the fun began as I had to change some sleeper spacings in order to incorporate a 'hidden' moving sleeper to change the turnout. While this is nowhere near accurate, it suits me and removes the headache of soldering thin wire to the switch blades, feeding them under the baseboard surface and connecting to some sort of operating unit before it even connects to the motor to change it!

 

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The above is what I came up with. Some of you will notice it looks like a carbon copy of a Fast Tracks turnout fixture. This is no coincidence as after speaking to a few firms based in the UK I soon realised it would cost from £150 per fixture and all they would do is create a part from my drawing. The risk going down this route was my drawings may not be as accurate as I thought despite my best intentions. I then spoke to Tim Warris of Fast Tracks and he said there would be no problem converting my drawings into proper working fixtures but he would require a sample of rail to ensure the tolerances were perfect. This was sent off to Canada and two weeks later I had a package with my four turnout fixtures, a 'Frog Helper Tool', No8 and N010 frog/switch filing block and a 'Stockaid' tool to file away the foot of the flat bottom rail:

 

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While not cheap, I know these are exactly what I wanted and have been tweaked by the guy who produces these for a living to North American prototypes. These tools will likely last my whole modelling life and hopefully produce hundreds of turnouts.

 

They are designed to work in exactly the same way as their American counterparts in that you have several key copper clad sleepers which slot into the machined pockets, the flat bottom rail slots into the grooves ensuring the 9.42mm gauge is maintained perfectly to allow you to solder the rail onto the copper clad sleepers. Once this has been completed you can proceed with removing the turnout from the fixture:

 

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The next stage involves a laser cut sleeper base which I have also designed from the same drawings as the fixtures. The few I have at the moment were samples created by Tim Horn and look fantastic but I have since edited the drawing to take the laser kerf into account. This sleeper base is glued to the bottom of the rails:

 

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This leaves you with a working turnout and all that is required is a few cuts with a jewellers saw to isolate the frog from everything else so it can be switched. The photo above looks really rough as it is a test turnout and I went a little crazy with my rotary tool while removing blobs of solder from the PCB sleepers. In future I will use a lot less solder and fill the isolation gaps in the PCB sleepers before painting to ensure all the sleepers blend in.

 

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This photo shows how much different the turnout is to an American one which is usually created with Tim's fixtures and looks miles better than the Peco Large radius code 55 turnout. The turnout I have built here is a B8 and will be the smallest turnout I will use on any layout. My other fixtures allow me to build C8, C10 and D10 turnouts too so I'm well covered for the future.

 

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The lighting isn't great but you can just see the subtle overhang of the class 57 on the curved road of the turnout. This is acceptable to me for a scenic section but I will likely use B8's exclusively in my fiddle yards.

 

This turnout was a rush job but I reckon if I take my time and am careful with the solder I can build a whole turnout in around an hour. I have ran a few wagons and locos with 2mm finescale wheels through this test turnout and they are as smooth as silk. There isn't a bump over the frog and the travel over the switch blades is flawless - Something I never quite managed building by hand!

 

I am currently waiting on an order of rail from the 2mm Association shop which should hopefully arrive tomorrow. If all goes well, I will be demoing these fixtures and tools on the DEMU/Scottish Modellers stand at Model Rail Scotland over the weekend. If you fancy a little look come and have a chat.

 

Cheers

 

Martin

 

(NB: I have no connection with Fast Tracks other than a happy customer)

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Thanks Pete.

 

My plan is to build up a stock of the four different turnout sizes so when I eventually start to build the layout and fiddle yard I have them ready to lay.  Hopefully once they're painted and weathered, the lack of detail won't be noticeable.  My thinking behind this was the rail clips on modern flat bottom track work would be so small when scaled down it wouldn't be noticeable anyway.

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A fascinating read. All that computer aided design goes way over my head, I still use bendy stick and pencil to lay all my track work! That said, I can confirm that soldered points and easitrac plain track, when carefully ballasted and painted will be fine. Tucking Mill is done this way and people regularly ask what methods of track construction I've used. I also use a moving sleeper for a tie bar and find it perfectly unobtrusive and very reliable.

Following with great interest, Jerry

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Very interesting Martin. One of problems I find with the Association jigs for crossings is that soldering upside down you cannot actually see when the solder flows. So I was wondering about milling out slots for the timbers so it would be right way up. You have taken this a whole lot further. Very impressed.

 

Don

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Thanks for the comments guys.

 

Jerry,  

I've just gone back through the Tucking Mill thread and must say I originally assumed you had used Easitrac components as the trackwork looks really good.  This has just filled me with more confidence as I've even gone to the trouble of buying a pestle and mortar to grind down proprietary N gauge ballast to make it a lot finer so will be ballasting very carefully.

 

Don,

I had the same issues with the association jigs.  I sometimes found I put too much solder in and filled spaces which effected operation.  I hadn't tried the association jigs with flat bottom rail but as I'm modelling from around 2005 onwards most of my turnouts will be flat bottom with the odd bullhead for old sidings.

 

I'll keep you guys updated.

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Wow, I was contemplating some of these when I was dabbling in Canadian Modelling, I'd definitely get a B6 bullhead set if it was available.

 

Just checked the fast tracks site but couldn't fine these, I'm presuming they are going to be on general sale?

 

Top marks for the autocad work.

 

Argos

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Hi Argos

 

I don't think Tim plans to make these available on his website but now that he has the drawings on file I'm sure if you ask he will be able to produce them.  

 

As for a B6 for bullhead, Tim may need a sample of rail to produce the drawings to create a fixture for this as all the rail he has is flat bottom I think.

 

Martin

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Argos, the following is a email exchange I had with Terry at Fast Tracks:

 

Me--Is there any possibility of frog and point filing jigs being
made for UK type bullhead rail in the future? I'm in the US, but modeling
early period UK railways. I've used your US items before, in HOn30 and N,
and from what I have read, they are far superior to anything offered in the
UK for track building.

 

Terry--Sorry, we don't recommend using our tools with bullhead rail and we don't have plans to offer them any time soon.

 

Me--Not what I was hoping to hear, but thank you for the reply. I had mentioned your items on a thread, and today, after I sent you my question, someone asked "why couldn't you file frogs and points from flat bottom rail, and just mate those parts to bullhead rail?". Does that sound plausible to you?

 

Terry--Not being totally familiar with bullhead rail I wonder about the difference in height between it and flat-bottom rail. If you have a solution for that the I think it will work. You didn't mention it and probably don't intend to do so but bullhead rail cannot be used in our assembly fixtures.

 

As Martin's were a custom order, it just might be possible to have something in bullhead rail done, as a custom order. I haven't asked him yet, as I'm still exploring the whole scale/gauge thing, but you might want to drop hima line and see.

 

Jim F

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Hi Martin,

 

Just found your blog after seeing what you'd done at the SECC.  This is really great work and I look forward to seeing the turnouts incorporated in your layout.

 

I never usually read the blogs as I find the interface too confusing compared to just reading threads on the main board - it's a shame as I am clearly missing out on some great content!  Do you have a layout thread here or just on the DEMU forum?

 

cheers

 

Ben A.

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Hi ben

 

It was good to chat over the weekend.  I eventually finished the turnout after a day and a half!  It's great the public were interested and not afraid to ask questions so I can't complain.

 

My Ketton topic is only on DEMU at the moment but I may start a topic here soon.  It looks as though Ketton is going to the SECC next year so the clock has started ticking for me to get on with it!

 

Cheers

 

Martin

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I very much like this approach to producing S&C.  His much did it cost to have these fixtures produced?

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