SGJ Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 (edited) Whilst enjoying building Carr Crofts my mind has started to wander again for a new layout so I am going to build Metaley which is going to be a scrap metal / recycling yard. so far it is at the very early planning stage, the location is somewhere in Yorkshire, and will have the yard, and station and possibly overhead 25kv wires. I will be using stock from Carr Crofts, with some new additions too if the OHLE goes ahead. The length of the planned layout is 12 foot but maybe extended to 14 foot having a longer station platform. Comments etc are more than welcome. Edited September 14, 2018 by SGJ 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGJ Posted March 26, 2018 Author Share Posted March 26, 2018 an alternative plan is to have curves at the end of the platforms 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGJ Posted April 8, 2018 Author Share Posted April 8, 2018 The second crane arrived earlier in the week, one will keep the claw grabber, the other will keep the electro-magnet. I don`t know weather to give them nicknames or not they are going to be for the new layout when I get chance to make it ( http://www.metaley.co.uk ) 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Hi SGJ nice track plan... I have two of the Magnetic crane and one of the other like you to, as I want to do a scrap yard scene, shame the chain is over sized for the model I'm looking for something that's more to scale... Regards Jamie 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGJ Posted May 13, 2018 Author Share Posted May 13, 2018 Hi SGJ nice track plan... I have two of the Magnetic crane and one of the other like you to, as I want to do a scrap yard scene, shame the chain is over sized for the model I'm looking for something that's more to scale... Regards Jamie Hi Jamie I am still working on the track plan, the layout is a while away from being built ( I am still experimenting with things on Carr Crofts ). The length of the chain is also not right, looks too long. Parkside Dundas do small link chains so if I modify the cranes I might try that, or look out for something appropriate at the Warley show later in the year. You can see the chain on this crane at Crossley Evans. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Hi SGJ Nice photos and hard to find photos of these type of things, if there is not one on your door step or you just happen to know a scrap yard that as them. Regards Jamie 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Flying Pig Posted May 15, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 15, 2018 Late to the party, but I think it would be worth thinking about how you will operate this layout. A few possible issues jump out at me: - the entrance to the scrapyard is facing from the main line which means the loco bringing a train in would be trapped; how will you deal with this? - a train leaving the yard cannot use the crossover to gain the correct line; the crossover really needs to be to the right of the yard entrance, which would be a good use of extra layout length; - the sidings in the yard face in both directions, but there is no runround; how will you shunt it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGJ Posted May 23, 2018 Author Share Posted May 23, 2018 Hi SGJ Nice photos and hard to find photos of these type of things, if there is not one on your door step or you just happen to know a scrap yard that as them. Regards Jamie The pictures are from a visit to Crossley Evans yard near Shipley railway station its not local to me however its easy to get to Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGJ Posted May 23, 2018 Author Share Posted May 23, 2018 Late to the party, but I think it would be worth thinking about how you will operate this layout. A few possible issues jump out at me: - the entrance to the scrapyard is facing from the main line which means the loco bringing a train in would be trapped; how will you deal with this? - a train leaving the yard cannot use the crossover to gain the correct line; the crossover really needs to be to the right of the yard entrance, which would be a good use of extra layout length; - the sidings in the yard face in both directions, but there is no runround; how will you shunt it? I have been doodling with another track plan because I am thinking of adding a small depot to the layout and took the comment of the points on board, and also a run round The scrap yard will have a couple of small locomotives on it, A Hornby sentinel, and a Bachmann Junior range loco, I am also thinking of getting a Heljan 05. The 08 is not going to be used on the scrap yard unless on a trip working, the industrial shunters would be doing the yard work I wont be making the layout just yet but later in the year so the photo of the shunting locos is on my Carr Crofts layout The revised plan The shunting fleet ( on Carr Crofts ) the Knightwing kit is not motored and has no wheels yet! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 Hi SGJ The plan looks great, I taking it the squares are 1 foot square, enough space for a nice diorama of a working scrap yard. Question for you, Is it the Two Red & Green, are those industrial shutters scratch built or can you purchase those....? ready made, I know the class 08 and the blue sentinel, is it...! loco you can buy ready DCC Ready/Fitted. Regards Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGJ Posted May 24, 2018 Author Share Posted May 24, 2018 Hi SGJ The plan looks great, I taking it the squares are 1 foot square, enough space for a nice diorama of a working scrap yard. Question for you, Is it the Two Red & Green, are those industrial shutters scratch built or can you purchase those....? ready made, I know the class 08 and the blue sentinel, is it...! loco you can buy ready DCC Ready/Fitted. Regards Jamie The Squares are one squre foot. Green locomotive is a DCC Ready Bachmann Junior loco http://www.uddingstonmodelcentre.com/Bachmann-JUNIOR/613.htm One of the red locos is a Hornby railroad Bagnall shunter http://www.hattons.co.uk/69465/Hornby_R3283_Bagnall_shunter_in_red_livery_Railroad_range/StockDetail.aspx The other red locomotive is a Knightwing kit https://www.amazon.co.uk/Knightwing-Railway-Diesel-Shunter-Locomotive/dp/B00DC1QHN8 Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGJ Posted June 16, 2018 Author Share Posted June 16, 2018 The rake of scrap metal wagons is near enough complete for the layout (photo on Carr Crofts layout). I am wondering what other wagons that I could use, I know I could use my 16t minerals but are there any other wagons that are Ready to run or as a kit the era is roughly 1985 - 1995 ? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGJ Posted June 17, 2018 Author Share Posted June 17, 2018 The Sentinel doing a bit of shunting ( on Carr Crofts layout ) 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Hi Simon In quest for other wagons, I came across this scrape yard just outside Doncaster in 2009 on a Bank Holiday and they let use in to take a few photos these were the MBA Monster Box Wagon, I think Bachmann and Dapol have both released them, I bought the first batch from Dapol and then about a year or two later, Bachmann bought them out as well, both in EWS Maroon. Hope that helps with other scape wagons you could use. This was the first time I had came across and seen the New DB Red Livery on any of EWS Locomotives class 66152, this was back in May of 2009. Bachmann also released 66152 in the DB Red livery, so you can mimic what you see here on your layout with a rake of MBA's Wagons. Regards Jamie 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGJ Posted June 22, 2018 Author Share Posted June 22, 2018 Thanks Jamie, I think I am tempted to get some of the Bachmann wagons, and a new Hattons 66, It is a bit modern for the layout but the 66s were here in 1998 ( 20 years ago ) and only 3 years after my timescale so I will be able to use and the MBA wagons in the year 2000 so I reckon its ok to have a small set, and add a bit more interest to the layout. Thanks Simon Hi Simon In quest for other wagons, I came across this scrape yard just outside Doncaster in 2009 on a Bank Holiday and they let use in to take a few photos these were the MBA Monster Box Wagon, I think Bachmann and Dapol have both released them, I bought the first batch from Dapol and then about a year or two later, Bachmann bought them out as well, both in EWS Maroon. Hope that helps with other scape wagons you could use. This was the first time I had came across and seen the New DB Red Livery on any of EWS Locomotives class 66152, this was back in May of 2009. Bachmann also released 66152 in the DB Red livery, so you can mimic what you see here on your layout with a rake of MBA's Wagons. Doncaster 25May2009 (486).JPG Doncaster 25May2009 (566).JPG Doncaster 25May2009 (539).JPG Doncaster 25May2009 (537).JPG Doncaster 25May2009 (477).JPG Doncaster 25May2009 (467).JPG Doncaster 25May2009 (461).JPG Regards Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Hi Simon That's great mate, glad they were of use in some way, I also have what you have, those SSA wagons do look very nice, and you get two in the space of one MBA, I always thought the SR on some that I have bought, meant they where from the 'Southern Region' unbeknownst to me they stood for 'STANDARD RAILFREIGHT' aka 'SR' so at first I thought I was limited myself where to run these SSA's on a layout, if I was going to base it on somewhere specific, but was chuffed when I found out it was Standard RailFreight, so I could use them more or less anywhere. I came across this excellent website for information, not sure if you have come across it yourself. so CUT & PASTE what was important info, more so if you ever have plans to be an exhibitor at some show near you and layout one day, always study and you will always get some rivet counter that will say, that's not right, this is not correct, you cant do that, that should be there...I'm sure you catch my drift... (erm, is that a 1980s advert for a chocolate bar ) POA/SSA Scrap Metal Wagons Build Details: 1978-1984, Standard Wagon Numbering: RLS5000-5099/5900-5980, later 470000-470180 Bogies / Suspension: BSC Friction Pedestal, Gloucester Pedestal, Gloucester Floating Axle Dimensions: 9000mm LOB, 4877mm Wheelbase (not RLS5900) Published Drawings: Areas of operation: South Wales, East Midlands & Yorkshire, North East and Scotland Main liveries: Light blue with yellow ends, later maroon. Summary: A large number of open wagons for carrying scrap metal were built (or converted) during the 1980s. Perhaps the most distinctive were those owned by Standard Railfreight and painted in a bright blue and yellow livery. BR bought these wagons in 1990 and recoded them from POA to SSA. Most were eventually given new bodywork to a slightly revised design, and painted in EWS maroon. Although trialled on other traffics, the type continues in the main on scrap metal flows. History: This sheet covers the Standard Railfreight fleet of 4-wheeled scrap metal open wagons, all of which were later bought by BR. The prototype of the fleet appeared in 1978 and was similar to the BR-owned MFA wagons built two years earlier in that it had a tall plain box body with six vertical ribs on each side (the MFAs had five). The two designs also shared the small doors that enabled sweeping out when empty. Loading and unloading would be by grab or electro-magnet. Numbered RLS5900, the prototype was painted in a yellow livery with Railease lettering, and given the design code of PO010A. The first production batch appeared in 1982, numbered RLS5901-5920. Compared to the prototype, these wagons were half a metre longer, and also featured an additional horizontal rib half way up each bodyside and end (although these were not carried around the corners). A new livery was applied featuring light blue bodysides and undergrames (apparently the Barclays house blue, due to connections with the leasing company), and yellow ends. The letters SR were carried on the body, not for a resurrection of the Southern Railway, but for the owners Standard Railfreight. This batch was evidently successful as a further 160 similar wagons followed in 1984. RLS5921-5980 were new builds, while RLS5000-5099 used underframe components from the short-lived British Steel fleet of PGA Iron-Ore Hoppers (BSRV12500-12599, although not renumbered in order). The body was slightly different in that the horizontal ribs at the top and mid-height of the bodies now continued around the corners, while there was a further rib around the base of the body. The access door was replaced by narrow slots underneath this lower rib. Livery was the same blue and yellow and the type could be seen in block and speedlink trains in many parts of the country, their main role being to supply scrap metal to British Steel works in the Sheffield and Rotherham area. A modification made to these wagons quite early on was to fit fillets to the top and middle horizontal ribs. These were to prevent the build up of swarf. The bodies also had fairly prominent lifting lugs under the top lip of the body. It is thought this was to enable the bodies to be easily lifted off the underframes for repair or replacement. Scrap metal is a rough traffic and many of the bodies were soon a bit bashed and bruised. In one of the first cases of its kind, the entire fleet was bought by BR in 1990 and recoded as SSAs. The numbers were changed to 470000-470180 in the air-braked series, and the SR lettering was painted out. Otherwise the livery remained as before. The body on RLS5900 (now SSA 470100) was replaced at some point with one featuring nine thicker vertical ribs on each side, and a large top capping. It could still be recognised by its lack of horizontal ribs. The entire fleet was now used on other duties, the steel industry in South Yorkshire having declined. Traffics included coal slurry to power stations, for which it was intended to recode some wagons as MHAs. The recoding was apparently cancelled (the MHA code being later used for ballast wagons) but at least one SSA was noted relettered. In 1996 RFS was awarded a contract to fit new bodies to 50 of the SSA fleet for use on new scrap flows. The new bodies have smoother sides, the horizontal ribs being filleted at top and bottom to give a curious panelled appearance. All of the rebodied wagons carry EWS maroon livery. Some additional Information POA/SSA Scrap Metal Wagons 1978-1984 181 1978-current 1/10/2007 16/12/2007 A large number of open wagons for carrying scrap metal were built (or converted) during the 1980s. Perhaps the most distinctive were those owned by Standard Railfreight and painted in a bright blue and yellow livery. BR bought these wagons in 1990 and recoded them from POA to SSA. Most were eventually given new bodywork to a slightly revised design, and painted in EWS maroon. Although trialled on other traffics, the type continues in the main on scrap metal flows. MBA/MCA/MDA/MOA Bogie Open Wagons 1999-2003 350 1999-current 23/12/2007 16/05/2008 These large bogie open wagons were one of several types built by Thall at York Works as part of the reinvigoration of the freight fleet by EWS. Ironically, the big, American-looking MBAs turned out to be too large and many had their height cut-down fairly soon after delivery, to form types MCA and MDA. Further wagons were built to the reduced height (as MOAs), these being mainly used on infrastructure work alongside the MCA/MDA fleet, while the full-height MBAs eventually found employment on a wide variety of revenue flows. PTA/JTA/JUA Bogie Iron-Ore/Stone Tipplers 1971-1977 458 1971-current 1/12/2006 24/12/2006 Several large batches of these rugged bogie box wagons were built to convey iron-ore from ports to steel works in the 1970s. The changing fortunes of the steel-making industry has seen them lead interesting lives. Not sure if the PTA may fit into your time frame, I also have several of these in both 'ARC' PTA's as I have the Class 59 'ARC' livery to match and also the 'Yeoman' PTA's as I have the Class 59 in 'Yeoman' livery to. Regards Jamie 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 Hi Simon I found this info if it helps you... POA/SSA Scrap Metal Wagons POA 2 axle Open Wagon Various SSA 1990-current Open Scrap Steel Wagon 470000-470180 Ex POA RLS5000-5099/5900-5980 MBA/MCA/MDA/MOA Bogie Open Wagons MCA 2000-current Bogie Open Wagon (Reduced Height - Outer) 500201-500240 Ex MBA MBA 1999-current Bogie Open Mineral Wagon 500001-500300 MDA 2000-current Bogie Open Wagon (Reduced Height - Inner) 500241-500300 Ex MBA MOA 2003-current Bogie Open Wagon 500301-500350 BR Wagon Codes - TOPS Codes - J: Part 2: Private-Owner Bogie Wagons (Excluding Tanks and Specialist) Note: In 1990 non-specialised private-owner bogie wagons were recoded from the P group. PTA/JTA/JUA Bogie Iron-Ore/Stone Tipplers JTA 1990-current Bogie Tippler (Outer) Various Ex PTA JUA 1990-current Bogie Tippler (Inner) Various Ex PTA PTA -1990 Bogie Tippler Various Recoded JQA/JTA/JUA Regards Jamie 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGJ Posted June 23, 2018 Author Share Posted June 23, 2018 Hi Simon I found this info if it helps you... POA/SSA Scrap Metal WagonsPOA 2 axle Open Wagon Various SSA 1990-current Open Scrap Steel Wagon 470000-470180 Ex POA RLS5000-5099/5900-5980 MBA/MCA/MDA/MOA Bogie Open WagonsMCA 2000-current Bogie Open Wagon (Reduced Height - Outer) 500201-500240 Ex MBA MBA 1999-current Bogie Open Mineral Wagon 500001-500300 MDA 2000-current Bogie Open Wagon (Reduced Height - Inner) 500241-500300 Ex MBA MOA 2003-current Bogie Open Wagon 500301-500350 BR Wagon Codes - TOPS Codes - J: Part 2: Private-Owner Bogie Wagons (Excluding Tanks and Specialist) Note: In 1990 non-specialised private-owner bogie wagons were recoded from the P group. PTA/JTA/JUA Bogie Iron-Ore/Stone TipplersJTA 1990-current Bogie Tippler (Outer) Various Ex PTA JUA 1990-current Bogie Tippler (Inner) Various Ex PTA PTA -1990 Bogie Tippler Various Recoded JQA/JTA/JUA Regards Jamie Thanks Jamie, Thats quite a lot of information to digest and very useful for me. Thanks Simon 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGJ Posted June 23, 2018 Author Share Posted June 23, 2018 A quick build kit this evening, a Dapol engine shed for Metaley although I think I am going to get a Knightwing shed instead 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGJ Posted June 24, 2018 Author Share Posted June 24, 2018 Double heading 31541 and 31256 followed by 56 128 West Burton Power Station then 158906 ( on Carr Crofts layout ) 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7APT7 Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 A quick build kit this evening, a Dapol engine shed for Metaley although I think I am going to get a Knightwing shed instead Dapol engine shed (2).JPG Dapol engine shed (12).JPG Dapol engine shed (3).JPG Dapol engine shed (4).JPG Dapol engine shed (5).JPG Dapol engine shed (6).JPG Nice job Simon What is the length of that shed, about right for a Sentinel, but doesn't look long enough for anything bigger or normal size loco I should say...!?! Regards Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGJ Posted June 30, 2018 Author Share Posted June 30, 2018 Nice job Simon What is the length of that shed, about right for a Sentinel, but doesn't look long enough for anything bigger or normal size loco I should say...!?! Regards Jamie The shed is 14 CM the sentinel fits on its own, it can fit tho 08 if the doors are open ( just ). Simon 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGJ Posted July 7, 2018 Author Share Posted July 7, 2018 31256 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGJ Posted July 7, 2018 Author Share Posted July 7, 2018 the blue Hornby sentinel busting some moves 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGJ Posted July 15, 2018 Author Share Posted July 15, 2018 (edited) Thornaby depots 47301 takes to the Pennines this evening ( on Carr Crofts layout ) Edited July 15, 2018 by SGJ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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