Satan's Goldfish Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Hello boys and girls, Recent activity on the 'Sandy Hill' Layout Topic ( http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/12553-sandy-hill-layout-in-cornwall-br-blue-00-gauge/page-15 ) has sparked some nuclear flask train interest in me followed by some interweb researching. So, third picture down in this link: http://www.penmorfa.com/Archive/thirtyone.htm could someone tell me what the barrier wagons are for the first pair of flask wagons please? And whether they were regularly used as barrier wagons and are they comercially available in 4mm? Also, how common was the use of HAA MGR wagons as barriers? Other than a quick glimpse of one in the Sandy Hill thread in a barrier role i can find no images. HEA hoppers and the barriers converted from them seem to be the most common in use in the late 80s-90s period but i'd like to keep my options open :-) Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 I've only seen HAA ,or HOP26AB as I think they then were, as barrier wagons on oil trains in the late 1960s, when there were more of them than there were jobs. Apart from the HEA, and its modified form, with body removed, the other wagons in the photos look like:- Two BDA (Bachmann) in the photo of the three 31s at Prestatyn Two ex-VIX ferryvans (was in the Hornby range) in the view of 25212 at Abergele. I think S-Kits might do the top for the hopper-less HEA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted June 5, 2013 Author Share Posted June 5, 2013 Cheers, thanks for the info. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
40044 Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Definitely BDAs or similar. From about 1993/94 only bogie vehicles could be used between Llandudno Jct. & Trawsfynydd. A Queen Mary brake van would also be used for this very reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvdlcs Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 Definitely BDAs or similar. From about 1993/94 only bogie vehicles could be used between Llandudno Jct. & Trawsfynydd. A Queen Mary brake van would also be used for this very reason. Would that be for weight distribution? The longer boge wagons effectively acting as reach wagons such that there is (more) separation between the bulk of the locomotives and the (lesser) bulk of the flasks? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merfyn Jones Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 Would that be for weight distribution? The longer boge wagons effectively acting as reach wagons such that there is (more) separation between the bulk of the locomotives and the (lesser) bulk of the flasks? It was just for a period of about 12 months while some track refurbishment was carried out, to reduce axle load and wheelbase. Once the track was in order the trains returned to the 4 wheelers using RRA & CARs. Merf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted July 26, 2013 Author Share Posted July 26, 2013 Just a quick 'bump' back up for fresh eyes to look at, any advance on wheather HAAs were used as barriers or whether it was just HEAs? (I could have sworn i'd seen HAA's mentioned elsewhere!) Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merfyn Jones Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 Just a quick 'bump' back up for fresh eyes to look at, any advance on wheather HAAs were used as barriers or whether it was just HEAs? (I could have sworn i'd seen HAA's mentioned elsewhere!) Thanks Yes, now and again the Trawsfynnedd flask had a HAA in the train , in the absence of the regular barriers. Other unusual barriers used have been a Seacow and a Sturgeon. Merf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted July 26, 2013 Share Posted July 26, 2013 Here's an HAA recoded RBA for barrier, at Hoo Junction in 1985 Don't know how much of a conversion it was, as the solebar lettering to do with the doors is freshly painted: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted July 28, 2013 Author Share Posted July 28, 2013 Cheers guys, good stuff! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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