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A Kansas City* Southern SD40-2 waking up to find itself in Sulphur Springs, Texas?  (I fear I'm taking the reference too literally!)

*Just to confuse matters, Kansas City isn't in Kansas, it's in Missouri - but at least the Americans spell "Sulphur" correctly in the name of that place!

Another source would be books in the IAL series published by Slezak.  Two titles that include plans of appropriate buildings are “Von Salzburg nach Bad Ischl” and “Mödling - Hinterbrühl”.

Yes, the history of the FMSR Pacifics can be a little confusing.  The story begins with the H class, of which 60 locomotives were built by Kitson, Nasmyth Wilson and Robert Stephenson and delivered between 1908 and 1914.   Withdrawals started in 1935 and of the nine remaining in service at the time of the Japanese invasion and occupation eight were taken to Southern Thailand, where they remained after the war.

The P class were a superheated version of the H class.  Orders were delayed due to the first World War and of the ten originally ordered from Kitson only four were delivered to Malaya - the others commandeered by the Indian administration for the Bombay, Baroda and Central India Railway (as the BBCIR R class).  However a further sixteen of the class were built for the FMSR by North British in 1920.  All twenty of these locomotives were removed by the Japanese, based mainly at the Burma end of the notorious "death railway".  Two were abandoned in Burma, the rest taken over by Thailand after the war.  In 1951 two were returned to Malaya, to work as pilots during the emergency.

The third of the initial Pacific classes was the L class - a larger version of its predecessors.  Twenty of these were built by Kitsons in 1921.  Again, some were removed during the Japanese occupation, but all were returned to Malaya.  One of these locomotives is preserved at the Muzium Negara, Kuala Lumpur:

The two locomotives preserved in Thailand are both of the former FMSR P class.  FMSR 190/RSR 810* is preserved as "804" at Kanchanburi: 

The real* 804 (FMSR 185) is at Aura Farm (45km north of Khon Kaen) as "187": https://www.internationalsteam.co.uk/trains/display.htm?page=thaipreserved.htm&bookmark=804&photter=Chris_York&title=Thailand&image=pics18/thailand18001.jpg

*True identification can be problematic - these appear to be the most likely.

The shed (at Krakow-Prokociem) also serves (or at least did) as the base for operational electric locomotives nominally preserved at Chabowka.  I was hoping to catch the in-service EU06 class allocated there during a later (November) 2002 visit, but all were out in service, being preferred to the home-built EU07/EP07 (better reliability - the entire class was withdrawn shortly after as being smaller in number and non-standard).  The preserved ASEA EP03 was inside the shed - I managed to negotiate entry at the security gate by showing the illustration from one of those "Atlas" books - very useful!

On 23/02/2024 at 06:22, Johann Marsbar said:

I don't recall seeing that railcar there in 2006 and it doesn't feature in my 2004 copy of Atlas Lokomotyw.  

Appears from their website to be an SBx type railcar used on the Warsaw to Lodz service in from 1935 onwards.

The same with the diesel (ST43) and electric locos - none present when I visited previously in 1976!

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Edit: Faulty memory - EU07-001 and EP02-07 were present at Chabowka in September 2002. 

17 hours ago, ess1uk said:

Which line is Battersea Park station on?

16 hours ago, DK123GWR said:

I think it's an alternative terminus on the ELL/Windrush Line for trains that would normally run to Clapham Junction. It only has a few trains per day and if I recall correctly these are mostly early mornings and late evenings. Is this just to avoid formal closure of the line?

An interesting topic which might be better in a thread of its own.  The terminal track (platform 2, but shown as platform 1 on one of the Open Train Times maps) has very few scheduled services.  As noted, today there is just a morning London Overground ecs from Canada Water, returning as a passenger service to Dalston Junction and a late evening return to/from Dalston Junction.   However the track is also used for reversing RHTT moves (worked by a pair of MPVs in season) and I was pleasantly surprised to find an NMT ("test train")  top and tailed by 73/9s using that track when passing through earlier this month.

The "real" platform 1 is out of use and without public access.  Platform 3 (the opposite face to platform 2) and platforms 4 and 5 (island platform) serve trains to and from Victoria.

Talking of "occasional" workings, I was intrigued by the junction at East Putney and finding that certain SWR empty stock trains from Waterloo are scheduled to run over the District Line to reach Wimbledon Depot.  More research is needed as I've found that most of these trains tend be re-routed via the more direct path on the day and it doesn't help that the intermediate District Line stations (Southfields and Wimbledon Park) are both island platforms, making photography less appealing.

On 18/02/2024 at 11:08, Farang said:

In 2022 the SRT took delivery of fifty new locos from China numbered 5201-50, so I think of them as Class 52.

Sri Racha depot - where nearly all the earlier Chinese "Class 51s" are laid up awaiting spares!

On 18/02/2024 at 19:51, kevsmiththai said:

Maeklong Railway 4-6-2 no 12 at the Country Club

 

Built by Henschel and put in service 1952

 

I can remember thinking " what the hell sort of chimney is that?"

 

Kev

As now displayed next to the tomb of a dead monk at Wat Tako (near Ya Nang).  I suggest your consternation is no longer confined to just the chimney - wat (sic) have they done to the rest of the loco?!

13 hours ago, Michael Hodgson said:

What can you expect from foreigners ?

Well perhaps not duplicate posts - we'll leave those to the natives?!

1 hour ago, whart57 said:

I do think it is a shame that the line from Euston to Watford running through Metroland wasn't called the Betjeman Line. After these lines honouring women, ethnic minorities and the gay community (Mildmay hospital was at the forefront of AIDS research), a line named after an elderly white guy with a railway obsession would make me feel valued. 😁

Metroland took its name from the country section of the Metropolitan Line, so it would be considered a travesty to be applied to the down-market former Harlequin Line.

It may just be from a common root, but rebranding Romford-Emerson Park-Upminster as the "Liberty Line" chimes with the name of a major shopping centre in Romford.   An unfortunate inroad of commercialism, perhaps? 

On 14/02/2024 at 15:37, ess1uk said:

yellow front ends?

it will never catch on

With wasp stripes?  At least most of the "shunters" have mended their ways or gone off grid.

21 hours ago, phil-b259 said:

Because some people cannot accept he is the democratically elected Mayor of London who has the right to Govern how he wishes and so resort to name calling because it satisfies their inner prejudices.

No!  In theory he is accountable to the electorate and answers to the London Assembly, expressly to prevent him governing by whim.  Behaving like a petty dictator isn’t in the job description - and that goes for all our elected representatives...

Of course anyone with a sense of history would have remembered the Jazz out of Liverpool Street.

3 hours ago, KingEdwardII said:

I can't agree that "Weaver" is inspired. I am pretty sure that most folk would be much more likely to associate the word "weaver" with the cotton weavers in Lancashire, the wool weavers in Yorkshire or the tweed weavers in Scotland (the borders and/or the various islands). The word does not conjure up the east end of London.

 

Yours, Mike.

Named after Jackie Weaver (of parish council fame) or a railway junction associated with an accident of 1975?

22 hours ago, kevsmiththai said:

So looking at the Video North British 4-6-0 165 is there along with Brush 0-6-0T 61. Ex Rhaetien Bahn 2-8-0 336, Hanomag 4-6-2 278, Henschel 0-6-0T 54 and the two Davenports. pretty much the enitre Makasan demic siding really except C56 2-6-0 733 ( Which was very tatty and incomplete). The cosmetic restoration of these is pretty incredible, almost too good

Yes, those are the numbers carried, though there is some debate around the true identities of 165 (171?), 336 (340?) and 278 (269?).

Or even a photo from last August showing no.  61 in new company at Hua Lamphong terminus, Bangkok...

There are dimensioned side elevation drawings (sketches) in the book "Atlas Lokomotiv 2", but are probably insufficient as the basis for an accurate model.  Another book on the history of Skoda (škodovácké lokomotivy tramvaje a trolejbusy) includes more detailed drawings, but neither of the two types are so illustrated.  

The loco at the Siam Country Club, Pattaya is in good condition (photo from last August).  Although it's plinthed by the side of the road (Google Streetview shows it: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@12.9172376,100.9788308,3a,75y,92.02h,78.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1svnM06lWafufx0ybumXn0BQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu); it's on the other side of the golf centre to the "mini museum" with two other preserved locos.  I hadn't realised how far away it was when I set off on foot, having left my hired car in the main car park.   Thankfully a local council member saw me walking back and insisted on giving a ride on his motorcycle!

0-4-2T Krauss (München) 5418/1906.

On 23/01/2024 at 11:55, kevsmiththai said:

Hi Wim

I did, And the RHB 2-8-0 tender dumped behind it. This was 2006 when I came unstuck with one of the EOS cameras when it came down with Sticky Shutter syndrome. Of the shots taken on the EOS 10 I reckon I lost about 50% and of course didn't find out until I got home and started getting the films developed. The other EOS was fine, Thank God.

 

Putting this stuff on the forum has prompted me to get the half started 1nM  BV brake van out to get it finished.Built using your drawing in CM. I'd also cut out the parts for an LS open wagon but have no idea where they are at the moment

 

As I'm laid up with a broken ankle at the moment I have plenty of time

 

Kev

 

A classmate is/was preserved in rather better condition at Bang Sue, as photographed in 1991.  Maeklong Railway no. 7 (Krauss München 5427/1905).

There must be something in the air in Thailand when it comes to cameras.  On that trip Thonburi station and shed was the first point of call, and my Canon AE1 Program took one picture before the shutter stuttered and died.  With Malaysia the next country on the itinerary, it was a long drive to Singapore and a replacement (T90) body bought.

On 20/01/2024 at 18:05, kevsmiththai said:

For me, the holy grail was to find one of the Krupp B-B diesel hydraulics. These were retained for their ability to plough through floodwater when needed ( The Diesel electrics having a tendency to blow up their traction motors if they tried it!) One of these is on my future list of 1nM projects

 

in 2005, 3118 was sat at the back of the depot

Still there, more or less the same place last August!  As you say, it seems to be kept for wading duties...

Interesting, but I guess the proof comes when it is tested "on the ground"...  

Clicking on the question mark brings up a "Legend" with some explanations of codes and colours.  From what I can tell, only passenger services are covered.

It does seem to be very resource hungry, which may be an issue on mobile devices (which is kind of counter-productive). 

9 hours ago, didcot said:

Very true @Hroth

 

If is true doesn't Lewis know Ferrari is where world champions go to retire. 

Team Frinton?

Yeadon's Register vol 36.

On 27/01/2024 at 22:29, kevsmiththai said:

Was watching ECN Cricket on youtube when this cameup on the sidebar

 

Davenports, Henschels GEKs etc

 

Bang Sue sure looks different to when I was last there!

 

So much Concrete !

 

Kev

Amazing as that video was taken on 23rd August 2023, while here's my general view of Bang Sue depot showing the line of demics on 31st August 2023.  The line includes Henschels and both types of Davenport - no GEK shovel-noses.  My impression was that they hadn't moved for some time - so clearly not the case!  Sadly the video doesn't give me the two numbers I was missing by not setting foot on the running lines.  The old shed is further up the line -  but Bang Sue certainly has changed.

Yes, Fairburn, with various building dates given during the 1850s.  It was preserved in working order for a long time at Braga, then moved to store at Nine before going to Entroncamento a couple of years ago.   I believe there is an intention to move it again, nearer to its sphere of operation (Minho-Douro), but when I checked (before visiting in 2022) such plans weren't immediate.

I'm very pleased to have finally caught up with the locomotive, have "dipped out" in previous attempts at Braga and Nine (twice).

In total around 178 British built steam locomotives went to Portugal (besides diesels and electrics, some mentioned up thread), of which ten (possibly eleven) survive.  Here's another - a rather spectacular "one-off" 2-2-2 built by Beyer Peacock (BP 328/1862), on display with carriages from the royal train.  I first saw the locomotive/carriages at Santarém twenty years ago, but as with many items from the National Collection were moved to Entroncamento as the museum there was expanded and now has its own display hall.