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    GWR 1927 Non-corridor bow end stock

    in GWR Rolling Stock: model and prototype

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    An M set is* formed brake third, third, composite, brake third.  They used to work the sort of turns that were eventually turned over to Cross-Country dmus.  Some Divisions called them M sets, others left them anonymous - so much for standardisation!   As Mike's fine depiction shows, they were usually not uniform.  What mattered, as I have tried to explain in other threads that there is no reason for you to have read, was the right number of seats.

     

    Chris

     

    *  - here am I living in the past again!

     

    EDIT - the picture taken at Henley in Arden shows what looks like a 4 coach suburban set strengthened with a C54 corridor third [as per new Hornby]

    Hello Chris. Can you point me in the direction of the threads you mention above please? I've checked the posts list on your profile and it doesn't seem to be complete - I know I've read a lot of yours which don't seem to be on there.

     

    Thank you,

     

    Mark

    GWR 1927 Non-corridor bow end stock

    in GWR Rolling Stock: model and prototype

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    Thanks for the information and photos everyone. This is going to be a daily go-to thread.

     

    CHRISF: Thanks for the pointers about the roof. I'll check that out. I've picked up a few old Hornby 57' coaches recently very cheaply with a mind to try my first foray into weathering and detailing.

     

    MIKE G: That M set is lovely. What make and diagram are they? My reference source is an 'Birmingham Division Suburban Trains' by John Lewis in GWRJ 5, Winter 1993. Confusingly, in the Birmingham Division B sets were 4 coach formations of a variety of diagrams. The one I was looking at reproducing was D98 and E131 combination - there were 6 others. The 2x  brake compo sets as per the Airfix /Hornby models were called D sets in the Midlands. Nothing around here was called an M set. I've seen a couple of pictures of trains at Henley-In-Arden that look your M set though: http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrha1410.htm

     

    DARWINIAN: Thank you. I'll follow your progress with interest. I've got two options myself: Either hack about a couple of Hornby 57' coaches or fit the E131 sides to some BSL kits I bought on Ebay a while ago.

     

    Thanks again all.

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    GWR 1927 Non-corridor bow end stock

    in GWR Rolling Stock: model and prototype

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    Only just spotted this thread. Firstly a question for Darwinian: What's your plan for building up the complete coaches? I picked up two sets of the 247 E131 etches under the impression that they were overlays for the Airfix/Dapol/Hornby B sets coaches. However the etches are a scale 57' whereas the RTR B sets are 60'. The etches are a match for the length of the old-pattern Hornby 57' corridor stock but the roof curvature doesn't seem to match the non-corridor stock. I'll be following this thread with interest as I want to try to produce something that looks like a Birmingham area 4 coach set. 

    Little Didcot

    in Kitbuilding & Scratchbuilding

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    Congratulations and thanks to everyone involved in running the gala Castle. I spent all day there on Saturday and had a great time. 4144 looked wonderful. 3650 shunting the non-working locomotives about was a brilliant idea - very evocative of the last days of steam.

    Little Didcot

    in Kitbuilding & Scratchbuilding

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    Useful link - thanks Horse. Slightly off-topic but still GWR - related, I see CSP have also got the Swindonised version of the Cleobury Mortimer & Ditton Priors Railway Manning Wardle engines scheduled for 2014. I've just emailed CSP to check if that's still the plan and to say I'd buy one.

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    Re-painting GWR locos during WW2?

    in UK Prototype Questions

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    Forgive me, I don't have the exact GWRJ magazine in front of me, but were any of the Modified Halls painted green before nationalization?

    I agree with Miss Prism at post 39. The GWRJ article has a great photo of 6990 at Old Oak Common on 28/11/54 in fully lined out GWR green livery with the G (Crest) W insignia on the tender. I think it's safe to assume that the entire batch were painted in the same way.

     

    GREAT BEAR: RCTS Locomotives of the Great Western Railway part 8, Modern Passenger Classes p. 15 states that removal of the side window plating on the Castle class began 'about the end of May 1945, and, due to shortages, some engines had only one window replaced at first and the work was not completed until late in 1947'. On p. 30 it states that Halls had theirs replaced 'between 1945 and about 1948'. My own money would be on  work starting on an ad-hoc basis after the blackout restrictions were lifted in April 1945.

    What have you done with your Keyser kit

    in Kitbuilding & Scratchbuilding

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    There was a trader at Warley this year who was selling lots of unfinished 00 locomotive kits at various stages of construction and/or disintegration. He must have had about 60 or so on sale. They were mostly LNER or Southern and constituent prototypes with a few BR and LMS. (No GWR oddly enough). I think about 2/3 of the stock was Ks and it all seemed very reasonably priced. The most expensive thing there was a DJH A3 for about £95.00 and most the stock was priced at a lot less - an LBSCR Gladstone for £25.00 anybody? I'm kicking myself now for not getting his details just in case he ever got any GWR stuff in.

    Re-painting GWR locos during WW2?

    in UK Prototype Questions

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    From photographic evidence, is 6959 unique in its livery?

    I very much doubt if your question can be answered definitively. 'Locomotive Liveries of the War and Austerity Years' by John Copsey, RC Riley and David Tipper in the Great Western Railway Journal no.7, Summer 1993 edition covers the subject. It starts by stating "The 1940s and early 1950s were perhaps the most disordered period ever encountered in terms of engine liveries" and proceeds to illustrate the point comprehensively. For what it's worth, my guess would be that 6959 would not have been unique in the black livery and G (Crest) W on the tender. It was part of a batch of Modified Halls (6959 to 6970) which entered traffic between March and September 1944. They didn't start to receive names until December 1946. The often cited contention that the G (Crest) W lettering was only applied to green tenders isn't correct - the article I refer to above mentions black tenders with G (Crest) W and Power of the Granges has several photos of Granges in that turnout.

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    Cotswold Solid Brass Chassis and Modern Motors and Gears

    in Motors & Drive Systems

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    Thank you everyone. This has given me some ideas. It sounds like the solid chassis isn't really suitable for modern motors. The 2021 is so small that even the suggested X04 looks like a very tight fit. I'll give Gibson's a call about their frames. I've also got a Nu-Cast 64XX which has the updated chassis with greater detail. I think the two kits were both originally manufactured by Cotswold, so it may be that the later Nu-Cast chassis will also fit the older 2021 - as Horsetan points out the original locomotives had the same wheelbase. A comparison of the model chassis would be interesting.

     

    Thanks again all.

    Cotswold Solid Brass Chassis and Modern Motors and Gears

    in Motors & Drive Systems

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    Good evening.

     

    I've started to dip my toes in the waters of kit building with, amongst others, an old Cotswold 00 GWR 2021 Pannier tank. It's got the solid brass milled chassis, and a gearwheel. The instructions recommend and X04 or Romford Bulldog. Has anybody fitted a more upto date drive system to the milled chassis and if so, were there any difficulties?

     

    Any observations gratefully received.

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