RJS1977

And apparently Hornby made Minic Motorways too .... :-(

20 hours ago, Mike_Walker said:

Now that would have been a much better scheme, much better than what we've got.  How was it proposed to reach the GWML from Wembley?  Presumably by a tunnel.

I would have thought by using the New North Main Line (i.e. the ex GWR main line to Birmigham via High Wycombe)

1 hour ago, The Johnster said:

Vacuum cleaners suck.

 

 

I'm getting rid of mine. It's only gathering dust.

On 22/03/2023 at 00:01, melmerby said:

 

I thought they said they alternated between the two and staff were always available should they need to take control from the other side (either way) if necessary.

Certainly having two such centres seems a more resilient idea than say having the whole main line from Paddington to Bristol and beyond controlled from one building with no backup. But nobody would do that, would they.....?

On 26/02/2023 at 17:11, Flying Fox 34F said:

Worthington East was the large LNER based layout in Swadlincote.  I believe it was dismantled due to issues that developed with the baseboards.  Myself and a few friends had the pleasure of running this layout several times as guest operators.  

We had an exhibition layout at the time, (Riverside Road), which belonged to the late Paul Copper of MRSG in Grantham.  Whilst attending shows in the East Midlands, we became friends with members of the Church Gresley MRC, which resulted in our invites.  
 

I recall most of locomotives on Worthington East belonged to one member who built them whilst working on ships!  He would occupy one corner of the layout watching the trains and providing hand signals if he needed you to slow down.  I used to operate one of the Slow lines and had the pleasure of running the loaded coal train.  It would take several minutes for it to complete a circuit.  Perfect time to grab a cuppa.

 

Paul

Worthington East also featured a cathedral that had been made from no fewer than 16 Triang church kits!

40 minutes ago, spamcan61 said:

The Steam Fair attracts around 200,000 visitors a year, so it's pretty big, even if only 10% of those attending have any interest in toy trains then that's still a lot of potential punters. Surely it would be a lot less effort to dump them on the usual box shifters, but that's not so TV friendly I guess. 

Also - Hornby needs a presence outside the usual channels if it is to attract new customers (although I'm not sure a display consisting of boxed "end of line" items is necessarily the best way of doing that). Perhaps surprisingly, what we didn't see on the stand was any Corgi or Oxford Diecast traction engines.

An in-person presence at an event like GDSF also gives Simon and Montana the opportunity to meet people, which they don't do if they send everything to the box shifters.

On 17/03/2023 at 13:07, F-UnitMad said:

There's only so many you can play with in the bath, as well.🙄

Seeing the disused International part of Ashford station made me think - if Eurostar decide not to call at Ashford in future, it would be an ideal location for AIMREC!

If you could bring the branch line forwards a couple of inches, you could put the platform behind it, so that you have three tracks between the two platforms, with the centre one being the goods line.

Also, with the platforms that way round (and no physical connection between the branch and main lines here), the tracks/platforms don't even need to be at the same level, so you could maintain the original gradient profile.

On 10/03/2023 at 09:43, sjrixon said:

 

 

Thinking about the idea of a railcar(*) or autocoach with tail load working into/out of the bay platform, I realised that any push-pull workings from that platform need to go somewhere where they can reverse for their next run into the station. It occurs to me that there looks to be space in this corner of the fiddle yard for one or more reversing sidings, if you can work in another point just off the bottom left of this photo (or possibly a 3-way point instead of the one under the teak coach).

(*) It appears that only the later razor-edged GWR railcars (like the one you tried to sell me!) were fitted for tail traffic, the earlier streamlined ones (as per the Dapol model) were not.

Sounds like you took a route that involved more changes than necessary though - as you say, you deliberately avoided doing the all stops to Paddington, which whilst slower, would have reduced the number of changes. (I wasn't expecting the 387 and the fast to Paddington would be running as it was a strike day).

In theory (if you were prepared to get the stopper), you could have done Elizabeth Line to TCR, Central to Holborn, and Piccadilly Line to Wood Green, or Elizabeth Line to Farringdon, H&C/Circle/Met to King's Cross and thence to Ally Pally (if trains were running from King's Cross).

One time, when the early 21st-century terrorism situation was at its highest, my parents made me promise them I wouldn't go into the centre of London, or on the Underground. But I wanted to go to Ally Pally, so I went from Reading via Richmond, Gospel Oak and Crouch Hill, then W7 bus - and the same to go home!

Has the dairy moved? Your original plans and the photos above had it in the top left corner, off the bay platform, however the more recent plans have it in the top right corner.

Personally, I think top left works better, as a loaded milk tank/van can arrive in the bay platform as tail traffic on an autocoach or railcar and be shunted back into the siding directly.

Personally I would think it better for the two tracks to remain parallel for as long as possible, so that they can be visible as another stretch of double track main line (otherwise you just have a single track line that trains only go along one way).

You might even be able to have a set of low-level platforms (or an island platform) as an adjunct to the higher station above. If you start the tunnel at the point (or a little before) the two tracks of the reversing loop diverge, you would have room for two trains to be hidden in the reversing loop and two more stopped in the station platforms.

My father's layout has a hidden reversing loop on a 3' x 4' baseboard, which is capable of completely concealing two trains, each up to four coaches plus loco. In automatic mode, one train is always kept just inside the exit tunnel mouth (Section 13) by a MERG HECTOR (infra red detector) unit which operates a relay to isolate the section when the front of the train reaches HECTOR. When the front of the second train enters the tunnel (Section 12), it activates a reed switch, which in turn energises a relay bistable, bypassing the Section 13 relay, and causing the train in Section 13 to set off. When the second train is about to enter Section 13, it trips another reed switch, de-energising the bistable and putting HECTOR back in charge of controlling Section 13.

If the first train fails to leave Section 13 for some reason, HECTOR continues to detect it, isolating a short length of track at the end of Section 12, preventing the second train from rearending the first. 

On 14/03/2023 at 13:02, Farang said:

Watching this programme two things struck me. The first was that Hornby seems to have a lot of "managers". And did you notice the acres of empty space behind some of the people being interviewed? I thought that all that area could be used as the warehouse and distribution of their products rather that paying millions to a third party miles away to provide that service?

 

I believe one of the reasons Hornby stopped using the warehousing space was the difficulty of getting modern lorries to it.

However Allelly's don't seem to have much difficulty getting their big lorries with full-size locos on them there!

You can't exactly hang warships from the ceiling... ;-)

21 hours ago, SteveyDee68 said:

Is that the same Arnold Ridley who played Godfrey in Dad’s Army? I remember my dad once saying something about ‘Godfrey’ being quite a famous writer, although he seemed to think it was to do with musical theatre?

 

Steve S

Yes, Jimmy Perry (one of the writers of Dad's Army) has recounted how Arnold would often give him words of encouragement during filming, based on his own experiences of writing and producing plays. Apparently after "The Ghost Train", Arnold made an unwise investment in another play which closed after a few days, leaving Arnold to pay off all the debts. Arnold sold the amateur rights to "The Ghost Train", something which he always regretted, and told Jimmy to make sure he never did that.

Another play written by Arnold was "Who Killed the Cat", which was made into a film (sometimes shown on Talking Pictures TV) starring Amy Dalby, who would go on to play one of Godfrey's sisters in the Dad's Army episode "The Battle of Godfrey's Cottage" but sadly passed away before the episode was aired.

My "Aberystwyth" layout is 3' wide and I can (just) reach across to the Carmarthen bay for track cleaning - I certainly wouldn't want it any wider! My boyhood train set was also 3' wide (usually set up on the spare bed so the only access to the rear was by leaning over, however it was lower down (but I was smaller!).

However I certainly think reaching across there to uncouple wouldn't be easy, and it may be preferable to align the terminus on the diagonal where the carriage shed is.

If you wanted to, you could probably put a loco depot where the terminus currently is, as there would be little need to uncouple there (other than perhaps the odd coal or ash wagon). I'd be tempted to get rid of all the water and boats and finish the front of the baseboard as the quayside.

The point on the reversing loop is going to be very difficult to get at. If the reversing loop is intended for goods traffic only, I'd make it join into the dock line.

Perhaps the phrasing there should have been "Some modellers" or "Many modellers".

Took me a moment to recognise Simon on Saturday as I'm so used to seeing him with a red shirt on....

That then raises the question - what are the longest coaches you anticipate running? I think the Bachmann coaches are the longest RTR GWR coaches, certainly longer than the Hornby Colletts (I can get four Hornby coaches and a Manor into my fiddle yard, but an equivalent rake of Bachmann coaches needs to be hauled by a Dukedog or 0-6-0 tender loco!). So if you only intend to run RTR GWR coaches (and not build yourself a rake of Dreadnoughts or Super Saloons) you can probably get away with it.

However BR stock is longer and gets longer with each consecutive Mark. A rake of four Mark 1s will only fit in my fiddle yard if it has a Small Prairie or BR Standard Tank at its head, and I suspect a rake of Mark 3s would fill it entirely....

Which side of the gauge did you use? One side is for Streamline track, the other is for Setrack.

It looks to me as if you've got track at Streamline spacing leading into Setrack-radius curves.

The important thing to check is whether two of your longest coaches (i.e. in this case, the Bachmann ones) come into contact with each other when passing on the curve.

On 08/03/2023 at 11:41, Pacific231G said:

I thought they'd mentioned an atomiser which would imply turning the water into a mist before heating it. It's a tricky one because "steam"  (water vapour in fact- steam is an invisible gas) doesn't scale terrible well, I think because the droplet size is too large, so assume  that atomising it might improve that.   

To me, that was one of the disappointments of the "Live Steam" sets - the water vapour condensed out collected on the roofs of the coaches, where it just didn't look right.

On 08/03/2023 at 18:48, Darius43 said:

And, if you could, you would need to wear breathing apparatus in the railway room…

 

Cheers

 

Darius

Yes, I remember a layout at Warley some years ago where not only were the locos fitted with smoke units, but so were several factory chimseys and a narrow boat. Nice layout, but I couldn't stand in front of it for more than about 30 seconds before I needed to go and get some fresh(er) air!

On 03/03/2023 at 09:49, RobinofLoxley said:

I wasnt expecting to have time today but apart from the comment about the reversing loop line which I agree with, I think the whole thing has got a bit overcomplex for what it is trying to achieve. Gradients everywhere. So I hope I'm not being problematic by posting another suggestion. I looked at ways to eliminate some of the gradients and try and get an outcome where the highest elevation lines are always at the back where possible. Its not finished in the sense that I havnt put the yard in, although I am using some of the reversing section as dual purpose. However, it has sorted out the access for the terminus in my opinion. I set the height at 6mm where the rising line crosses, and 14 for the rise to the terminus. The gradients on the rising line are under 2% and then 2.4-2.7% up to the terminus, with the straight section at the top being level, so room for manoevre there.   I think 14mm for the terminus is more than OK given the lines under it are at zero.

The blue and pink loop looks to be a difficult combination of curves and gradients to me.

I'd be inclined (sorry!) to eliminate the bridge at this point by keeping the purple tracks to the front rather than having the figure 8.

That way, either the entire continuous run could be on the flat, with just the line to the terminus on a gradient, or that end of the continuous run could be higher than the other end, to lessen the gradient to the terminus.

One thing that interested me in last night's episode was the difference in approach between model loco development and Scalextric car development.

For the Black 5, it was very much "This will be the ultimate black 5" (at least until they do another version in 20 years or so!) - adding lots of separately-fitted parts etc, money (almost) no object.

With the Scalextric car though, the emphasis was very much on keeping the number of parts to a minimum to reduce the cost.