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the odd narrow boat perchance?
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Young Mr Mortimore,
Please understand in Australian Polite Society, it is a badge of honour to be able to trace your ancestry to the First or Second Fleets and a mark up if they were convicts not guards.
I hasten to add mine came out in about 1929
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One of the delights of operating sessions is the ABC classic concerts on Saturday- Yes john , dont worry about scenery but next time I come will bring my own signals
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Thank you all.
Phil's advice was appropriate in that I have two H & M Clippers and I would have used them to run the loco. I am about to acquire (as well) a couple of GWR 56xxs which are chipped so will need to deal with those too. Nothing is as simple as , in my ignorance, I thoughts . Thanks
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recently I acquired a second-hand Atlas MP 15 Loco fitted with a DCC chip and loudspeaker.
As I operate with DC I am wondering what to do with this.
I understand that the easiest way to deal with it, is to get a DCC user to program it for me to run on DC.
If I remove the chip is there anything else I need to do to make it operational on DC?
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thankyou
1st Mrs Chesterfield has offered to give me a L&B Manning Wardle for my birthday!! beats haggis
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What thickness are your end plates and your module surface- my guess is 12mm
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I have enough trouble trying to understand the pommy accents in RMweb without you showing your superior education by lapsing into unknown tongues . Think it must be a plot to exclude we petite colonials.
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Thank you for that. I am sorry I have not replied sooner , however some silly person ( politically correct to say " person" downunder)managed to cut a main internet cable mid morning Friday and it was not repaired until early Sunday with a somewhat depleted service available even then.
Now I begin to appreciate what you are doing.
PS just found the discussion on tail lamps so will have to follow that as well
Cheers
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It's based on the real 1960 WTT for Abergwynfi with the addition of a miner's workman's, pickup, and trading estate siding clearance. I run it as a real time/sequence hybrid, with the quiet periods between trains condensed. Passenger trains take 10 minutes to clear the section, freight and mineral 15, and this time is extended as required as the colliery is accessed by a ground frame off stage and there are sidings at the junction for a sawmill and cold store which require the section to be 'blocked back' while they are shunted. In it's current form, which is not set in stone:-
05.40: Ordinary Passenger (loco hauled) ex Bridgend arrives, booked to carry newspaper traffic and mails. Signal box opens. Stock stabled in trading estate siding, loco on 'stub' road if no room with stock.
05.55: Miner's workman's ex Tondu ('shortie' clerestories). Runs around
06.10: Miner's departs
06.40: Coal empties, duty U23 ex Tondu. Loco runs around and departs for colliery 06,45, still within station limits so no token needed and brake van leading.
07.05: Ordinary Passenger (auto) ex Bridgend
07.15: " to Bridgend
07.20: Loco removes stock from estate siding and runs around to form ROF workman's (the real train ran from Abergwynfi to the ordnance factory at Tremains, Bridgend)
07.50: U23 arrives from colliery
08.05: ROF workman's departs to Tremains.
U23 runs around and shunts brake van
08.25: Ord. Pass (auto) ex Bridgend
08,30: U23 departs to Tondu
08.55: Estate siding clearance ex Bridgend including NPCCS, runs as class C.
09.00: Ord. Pass (auto) to Bridgend
09.05 - 09.55 Estate clearance shunts.
10.00: Pickup ex Tondu
10.05; Estate clearance to Bridgend
10;06 - 11.30 Pickup shunts, including as required 'trip' to colliery (pitprops etc)
11.35; Ord. Pass (auto) as above.
11.40: Pickup departs to Tondu
12;10: U23 coal empties as above
12:15: Ord. Pass (Auto) to Bridgend.
12.20: U23 to colliery
12.35: Ord Pass (ROF workman's) ex Tremains.
Runs around
12.50: U23 ex colliery
13.15: ROF to Tremains
U23 runs around and shunts van
13.40: U25 ex Tondu coal empties (an empty and a loaded coal train cross at Cwmdimbath at this time).
13.45: U23 departs with loaded to Tondu,
U25 runs around.
14.10: Ord Pass (auto) ex Bridgend.
14.15: U25 departs to colliery with empties
14.25: Ord Pass (auto) to Bridgend.
14.45: Ord Pass (auto) ex Porthcawl (different stock). Usually non auto loco and needs to run around.
15.00: Pickup ex Tondu. As required by Control.
15.10: Ord Pass (auto) to Porthcawl.
PIckup shunts.
15.40: U25 with loaded ex colliery.
15:45; Pickup departs to Tondu
U25 runs around and shunts brake van.
16.05: Ord Pass (auto) ex Bridgend.
16.10: U25 departs to Tondu.
16.55: Ord Pass (auto) to Bridgend.
17. 20: U25 arr ex Tondu.
Runs around.
17. 35: Ord Pass ex ROF Tremains.
Shunts to estate siding and loco to 'stub' as per morning working.
17.45: U25 to colliery
18.05: Miner's workman's ex Tondu.
Runs around.
18.15 Miner's workman's to Tondu.
Loco and stock from ROF form train and run around.
18.30: Estate siding clearance ex Bridgend.
18.35 Ord Pass to Bridgend (ROF loco and stock).
Estate clearance shunts.
18.55: U25 with loaded ex colliery, final clearance of day.
19.00: Estate clearance to Bridgend.
U25 runs around and shunts brake van.
19.20: Ord Pass (auto) ex Bridgend.
19.25: U25 to Tondu.
19.35: Ord pass (auto) to Bridgend.
23.55: Ord pass (auto) ex Bridgend.
23.59; ecs (auto) to Tondu.
The signal box opens at 05.40 and closes at 19.45, after which the branch works one engine in steam, unless overtime is authorised for a pigeon special or running around with a non auto fitted loco. This can lead to staffing issues as signalmen are required to have at least 12 hours rest between duties. The station is staffed for passenger and goods work between 05.40 and 19.00, but general merchandise for collection or mileage is required to be cleared by 18.00 from the goods depot. Deliveries do not take place after 17.00.
A shunter is on duty between 05.40 and 18.30.
Staff are a signalman, booking clerk, goods clerk, 2 porters and the shunter, overseen by a leading railman who acts as foreman. Stationmaster Tondu is responsible for the station's management.
Thank you for that. I am sorry I have not replied sooner , however some silly person ( politically correct to say " person" downunder)managed to cut a main internet cable mid morning Friday and it was not repaired until early Sunday with a somewhat depleted service available even then.
Now I begin to appreciate what you are doing.
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I've just wrapped up the first working day of a new timetable designed to allow non auto fitted locos to deputise for 5555, my only auto fitted loco which has to be taken out of service every 10 working days for her boiler washout, for 2 working days. as do all my locos. it's worked well enough, and involves a slightly different sequence in the morning and evening rush hours. The first train up is no longer the miner's workman's, but an ordinary passenger from Bridgend, loco hauled with a B set. The stock is stabled over on the Remploy Estate siding pending it's use on the ROF workman's at 08.20, and the loco sits on the stub road if there is no room for it in Remploy's. This is followed by the miner's workman's, which no longer returns as empty stock as a new order for the colliery means that there is now a night shift to take home!. The first coal empties follows, then the first auto which actually starts from Tondu, I've decided, then the ROF runs around and departs.
This marks the end of the morning rush and the signalman can have his breakfast in peace. Then we settle into the morning's freight work, the first colliery clearance, and the occasional auto. This is repeated in the evening rush, with the ROF getting in at 17.55 and being balanced by an extra loco hauled Bridgend about an hour and a half later, the stock and loco being stabled as before. This means the box is now open until 20.00, after which the signals are left off for one engine in steam running with the auto, but of course if 5555 is unavailable, overtime is required in the signal box.
Such are the vicissitudes of running a Valleys branch when the shed doesn't have enough auto fitted locos. If Abergwynfi photos are anything to go by, this was not an unusual state of affairs at Tondu, the Area Loco office fighting a constant battle for more locos while S & T justify the overtime. Autos are very convenient and an efficient use of resources, but a timetable that depends on them is vulnerable to disruption...
I like this imaginary world of managerial problems for me to solve; it makes the operating more fun and gives an extra layer of psychological realism, if that makes sense!
Perhaps you might post your current timetable for all to se
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Rule 1: your other half is always right.
Rule 2: if your other half is wrong, see Rule 1.
thus speaks a man of vast experience
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For many years, "Trip Booklets" were published, outlining local "trip workings" which due to their somewhat flexible nature, may, or may not feature in WTTs.
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Extracts of the Cardiff Division booklet for trip workings, commencing 3rd. February, 1964 are attached.
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They give the obvious details of times and days worked, starting points, calling points, which depot was responsible for the turn (e.g. most Coke Ovens turns employed Abercynon locos) and the 'turn number'.
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South Wales trip workings could miss out certain legs of the turn if there was no traffic on offer at a certain loading point.
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These booklets appear to have ceased (locally) at the very end of the 1960s.
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Brian R
Made my day - the light dawns- thank you very much
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I have a number of WTTs, mainly related to South & West Wales and the South Wales main line, and they are a constant source of entertainment and enjoyment.
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They should carry a 'warning' that they can become addictive.
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Brian R
Additive? you said it.
Initial take is that there were few coal trains as such scheduled in 1949 - bit surprising - I am use to 50-60 waggon trains in the Hunter Valley in NSW the equivalent of Wales in 1913
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Never seen that site before, however there was a single wtt that was very interesting to me.
Thank you All.
I have found a 1946 WTT which I think will fill the bill.
We had a presentation at our BRMA convention in Sydney last weekend on timetables and it sparked my interest in exploring what was available on line.
I do appreciate all your help.
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I am looking for a source of WTTs for the Welsh Valleys -prewar if possible any pre BR would do .
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AFAIK one end only, and there'd be no need that I can see for them to be carried both ends. The photos I've seen show plain discs without rims to them; the ones in the bag have quite pronounced rims. They are not lettered or numbered in any way; one might expect a loco with a Barry, 88C, code to be carrying a Barry target. I may be wrong, but they look a little large in diameter to me as well. Just measured them and they scale out at about 2 feet; as I say, I may be wrong but 18" seems more like it to me. Their purpose was to identify the many very similar looking coal trains to the signalmen to ensure that they were routed properly and that Traffic was informed of their progress.
I'm going to have to do more research into this, as I want my mineral trains and probably the pick up goods to carry Tondu targets ultimately, 'U' prefixed. They will have to be fictional, of course, as no real Tondu job ever went to Cwmdimbath owing to the lack of a railway, village, coal mine, or anything but trees and sheep. There is no mention of the purpose of my white discs in the paperwork included in the box, so I'm guessing a bit!
I l looked at the photos in Rickards Vol 2 especially the rear loose cover and the target in that photo seems to be twice the size of the buffer so maybe 24inches is closer to the mark
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Not so you have NOT become the fat controler yet just "Comfortable"
In my case it depends on whether I can get up early enough after my daughter's wedding in Sussex...
If I do make it, you'll spot me as a fat old git wearing a Leeds MRS 70th anniversary shirt.
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May we have a few details of the Rickards Records books please.- what the main coverage is and where we can get them?
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What a shock!
My condolences to you Nicholas and all your family.
John's layouts brought great pleasure to so many people.
May he Rest in Peace.
And from me also . Gunner Flann was an inspiration for me and I shall miss his cheery gentle comments
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any one getting rid of any early Ian Rice books?
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Brunswick green I presume?
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No one says the base etc has to be
wood.
For lightweight construction, may
I suggest you look at a series of discussions in Model Railroad Hobbyist and also the $100 module .The Professor's cmments on building with foamcore might solve the weight problems for you, VERY QUICK CONSTRUCTION . The Prof produced his baseboard in 4 hourd if I recall. I don it have all my resources with me in Singapore
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Based on the comments in this thread , I too acquired a copy , as well as the realistic operation book also mentioned in another thread in Books.
Of the two, the Rice book is really worthwhile. However it was the other thread which caused me to go to my Forest of Dean books and contour map and consider Staple Edge for a 4mm scale model.The O gauge version is excellent (se theother thread's review)
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Scalescenes wishlist
in Card structure modelling forum
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Silly me - had noticed the locks but not the narrowboats - apologies