Ruffnut Thorston

7 hours ago, Compound2632 said:

 

Nellie, Connie, and Polly go back to 1961/2/3 respectively and were last made in 1972; 25550 was made 1973-5. The only subsequent version was 7178 in S&DJR blue, 1976-7.

http://www.hornbyguide.com/wheel_arrangement_details.asp?wheelarrangementid=7.

"Nellie" and friends were probably the first electric OO gauge locomotive for a lot of people...

In "Tri-ang Railways, The First Ten Years", published in 1962, the artist Terrance Cuneo painted a "Nellie" to look like a working locomotive.

Some early 'weathering'...

The RS.24 Train Set was popular.

Initially, "Nellie" and "Connie" were both blue. This led to the two nameplates being applied to either of the then available two running numbers, 7, and 6.

Subsequently, "Nellie" was blue, No. 7, "Connie" was Yellow, No. 6, and a new name, "Polly", No. 9, was red.

It's worth noting that the body tool was slightly modified, to delete the locating ridges for the nameplates, when the green "27" was introduced.(1970-71)

Subsequent "Nellie" models (Including those from the "Take-A-Ticket" Train Set) therefore, don't have these ridges. In the right light, two circular marks can be seen , where the ridges were situated.

I believe that the body tool around the original dome was retooled to take the large dome.

Therefore, the tool was again altered to produce 7178. A new dome was added, which is in a slightly different place...

I think it's slightly further from the chimney...(50:50 chance.😉)

The names were re used by Hornby later, notably on some "Holden tank" locomotives.

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1 hour ago, John M Upton said:

Don't recognise this variant of the old Polly 0-4-0T

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/394347799920

Ruddy big dome and a ruddy big price tag!!!

1 hour ago, Hroth said:

 

 

It might be kosher, it's about the same era as Lord Westwood...

 

Yes. This is a fairly common model really.

Like "Lord Westwood" (the district of Margate where the Tri-ang Railways Factory is.) the running number is actually one of the company phone numbers!

The chrome plated plastic dome is the moulding from the Lord Of The Isles locomotive. LOTI domes are brass plated.

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2 hours ago, Il Grifone said:

 

That's the result of being in bright sunlight. Back in the 80s, when we were living in Turin I bought a couple of Lima locomotives, which had similarly succumbed, cheap in Porto Palazzo market ....

 

>Snipped...

I'm wondering if the 'grade' of plastic used has any bearing on the heat damage to these Airfix Railway System locomotives?

I have a similar Airfix 4f, with similar damage, also acquired, from a fair, for salvageable parts.

Just a thought?

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On 04/12/2022 at 01:01, sagaguy said:

There is a kit of the Festival of Britain buildings but it was only issued in a black and white print.

 

 Ray.

Yes, that's the one I remembered.

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Also buildings...and a version of the 1951 Festival of Britain site.

Brighton Toy Museum link...

https://www.brightontoymuseum.co.uk/index/Category:Micromodels

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R.59 Chassis Blocks and Pony Trucks...

Apart from the chassis itself, the pony trucks also underwent changes, not limited to the change from MK2 to MK3 couplings in 1959.

The shape of the castings also underwent change.

From memory, the different pony trucks are not interchangeable between the different chassis...the shape of the chassis block determining the type of pony truck that will fit...

1955 R.59 Service Sheet.

With Jan. 1959 addendum to list the ready assembled wheels/axle assemblies.

I think that the earlier R.59 was the only Tri-ang Railways loco to have slots in the chassis, so that the wheels could be removed without disassembly...

1961 R.59 Service Sheet.

The cylinder block and chassis block retooled to allow for the Seuthe type smoke unit to be fitted. Also, 'Magnahesion' traction magnets are now fitted.

The "Princess" type S.5056 motion bracket is retained, though the design of this part was changed, to accommodate the chassis change for the Pacific Chassis Block from thin plate frames to a thicker part of the new cast chassis block.

The pick up plate, which was only held in place by the pony truck screws before, now has its own standard S.1011 securing screws, as on other models. So, to allow for this, the pick up plate is different...

New "See though" spoked wheels with steel tyres were also used, to allow the 'Magnahesion' traction magnets fitted to this chassis block to work.

Addendum for SS9a. Sept.1962.

In 1962, the R.59 chassis block was again retooled, and brought into line with the other Tri-ang Railways locomotive chassis...the slots being deleted, and axle holes being used instead.

So, the compete wheel/axle assemblies could no longer be used.

The R.59 was retired from the now Tri-ang Hornby range in1966.

It was to return, (It is said, to boost the number of BR liveried locomotives, after the general use of 'Big Four' liveries in the range) with another new chassis, in 1969.

1970 R.59 Service Sheet.

This covers the R.59 from 1969.

This is a very different chassis block.

The brake block details from the earlier versions was removed, and other modifications made to allow for the fitting of the smaller Synchrosmoke unit, with a unique to this model extension lid.

While the X.426 cylinder block was retained (a bad move, as the now redundant hole for the Seuthe type smoke unit weakened the moulding.

A prime cause of failure of this component, not helped by smoke oil contamination.) A new, unique to this chassis, motion bracket S.8013, was used.

The pony trucks were also retooled for this chassis.

Again, from memory, the S.1002 pony truck screws also changed, being shorter in length overall, as they no longer had to pass through the pick up plate, which had been changed to be the same type as fitted to the "Jinty" 0-6-0 chassis.

The very last production R.59S locomotives had plated driving wheel tyres. Some may have also had the new bogie and pony truck wheels, with plated metal tyres, fitted... 

The various R.59 Chassis Blocks were also used for the two versions of the  Transcontinental Series (T.C. Series) Continental Prairie Tank Locomotives.

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There has been a message from Horrnby, saying that due to the demand, it's taking longer than expected to send out the membership packs.

In fact, we received the first magazine before the membership pack.

Anyway, here's some better photos of our badge. 🙂

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So, as I recall.

The "curved drop" footplates were all built as non Streamline locos.

The last two of these conventional locos, built with Ivatt's modifications, had what some call the "utility" front end to the footplate.

This type of footplate was used on the Streamline locos when they had the casings removed.

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5 hours ago, big jim said:

I wasn’t sure if it was the ratio one, I’ve got one of those to put in my other midland box when I get round to it 

I only knew it was the Metcalfe version, as I've not long had the Metcalfe Catalogue delivered (With RM magazine.)

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That's the Metcalfe Signal Box Interior kit. 🙂

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Tri-ang Railways and Horrnby Railways Turntables.

Briefly.

The first Tri-ang Railways Turntable was made for 'Standard' Track.

It had a modified X.04 Type motor, and used a friction drive to the edge of a sold disk base, with a plastic 'bridge' mounted on it.

This had only two entrance/ exit tracks, opposite each other.

The only function being to turn locomotives by 180 degrees.

The Second Tri-ang Railways Turntable arguably is the best Rovex produced RTR turntable.

The R.407 (Hand Operated. A motorising kit was originally also available.) And R.408 (Electric Operated).

These have one entrance, and three exit, tracks.

The motor, an X.05, the same as in the Lord Of The Isles and Caledonian Railway Single 123, is mounted on the bridge, as described in a previous post.

The worm on the motor, and the worm in the gear train on the motor base is the standard X.04 twin start worm. The gear wheels in the gear train are standard 50 tooth X.04 type gear wheels.

The main turntable drive gear is indeed a weak spot. Resin printed replacements are now available.

We have found that the original version of the R.408, with a maroon bridge, also have the drive gear in maroon plastic, and that this maroon plastic is somehow 'weaker' than the later black plastic used for the R.408U version of the Turntable.

Power for the motor is carried by wires from a connection on the edge of the base, and wipers on the bridge bearing on brass rings around the central bearing.

An interesting point is that the track locations on the base have provision for the locating clip found on Series 3 Track, as well as recesses to accommodate the half sleeper found on Super 4 Track.

This possibly indicates that the original design for the turntable predated Super 4 Track, which was introduced in 1964. 🤔

The Turntable was slightly retooled, and supplied with fences, non working lamp posts (ex Minic Motorway parts), ramps for the tracks, and converter tracks to connect the Super 4 Track on the turntable to the then new System 6 track (code 100) in the early 1970s.

Very early versions of R.408U have the base in a dark grey plastic, similar to the original R.408, but with the modifications to fit the fences, lamp posts, and ramps.

Later, the base was made in a creamy, 'concrete' colour.

The bridge, etc., being made from black plastic.

The gear drive on the R.408/U is continuous, with a smooth rotation, except when the bridge is aligned with an entrance or exit track, when the clever arrangement of teeth on the gear, combined with the design of the base, causes a pause, giving time to cut the power with the tracks correctly aligned.

The Horrnby Railways Turntables use a single start worm, originally in brass, and the Silver Grey drive gears.

Originally with a New Type X.03 motor, more recent issues have been retooled to use the small, Type 7 type of motor, as used in the 0-6-0 chassis.

These use a 'Geneva Drive' gear, and the rotation is in a series of jerks, pausing between the track positions.

As the drive is fixed, the turntable stops where there is no track locations as well.

A large step backwards in our humble opinion. 🤷🏼‍♀️

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On 03/11/2022 at 07:15, Hroth said:

 

That'll be what the piece of kitchen towel is for...

 

 

I  think a Triang 3MT chassis relic is in there somewhere. It looks very poorly, the photo doesn't help either, the curvature suggests the camera is at the wide angle end and very close...

 

No, nothing Tri-ang.

The 3MT Tank always had a cast metal chassis block.

This is a brass plate frame chassis.

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On 01/11/2022 at 15:23, cypherman said:

Hi again Bill. The ubiquitous Triang 4-6-0 chassis. It must have had the world record of being the only chassis to appear under more different models than any other. In one form or another it appeared under the B12, Hall, Sir Dinadan, Early Black 5. I am sure that it appeared under another engine, But I cannot think what it is at the moment.

From memory...

B12.

Hall.

Sir Dinaden.

Tender Drive Black 5 & the "maroon" version.

LNER A3 "Flying Scotsman".

LMS Streamline Princess Coronation.

"Class 08" 0-6-0 Diesel Shunter. At first with "automatic" cab end coupling hook.

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EDIT:

Information from a later post by @scrapman.

Ex LMS Ivatt 2-6-0 Tender loco.

GWR "Saint" (body modified from the Hall tools).

On 01/11/2022 at 14:58, railroadbill said:

 

 

This is actually the Hall chassis from above, but this is a general question.  With XO3/4 powered locos having this plastic worm drive, was the worm a standard type  across the range, i.e. would an XO3/4 motor with that gear fit ok into another loco with the same diameter of driven gear or were there different specs in that era?

The Black plastic single start worm motor is the 'New Type' X.03 (The part number being a re use of the earlier, pre X.04, motor part number.

These use a different (28 Tooth) gear wheel from the X.04. To differentiate these from the X.04 type gear (40 Tooth), they are usually in the silver grey plastic, though  other colours did get used, especially later on.

We even have seen black versions, which are confusing, as the X.04 compatible gear wheel was always made in black plastic, or made from Brass.

The two gears will not work properly with the wrong motor.

The X.04, and earlier motors, use a two start worm. This is always made from Brass.

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I've just seen a YouTube video which shews what the members pack for the new Hornby TT:120 Club contains.

There is a pin badge, that echoes the design of the original Tri-ang Railways badges.

These were plastic, Red for OO/HO, and Yellow for TT. Available solo, and were included in Train Sets.

They were later replaced by a metal enamel badge, which was only available solo...

Just an interesting thing. 😉🙂

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On 29/10/2022 at 11:37, SteveyDee68 said:

Yep!

 

Not even EM …

 

And from what I can tell, it looks like a Mainline chassis (looking at the style of tension lock couplings)

 

Perhaps @Ruffnut Thorston might be able to shed more light upon this?

 

HOURS OF FUN!

Yes, Mainline type couplings.

Class 46 Bogies. 

Bachmann also released a Class 46 using the Mainline tooling and couplings. (But probably a better motor/ drive train than the original Mainline versions...)

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On 28/10/2022 at 19:52, 33C said:

Could be......

If your car could be a train...

Is it a Land-Rover?

The original Series Land-Rovers will fit Standard Gauge tracks.

Just fit wheels with no tyres!

OR fit proper rail wheels, buffer beans, buffers and draw hooks...

At least one Series Land-Rover was used as a Shunter...I seem to recall at Fawley refinery...🤔

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49 minutes ago, John Besley said:

Sorry I should have said all where delivered a month ago well within expected and quoted arrival, yet they are still 'out for delivery' according to ebay

This happens a lot.

If eBay hasn't got the tracking information, to say that the item is delivered, then it never goes beyond 'in transit'.

The option to leave feedback is there from the moment that the transaction is completed...

It doesn't depend on a 'delivered' status in my experience...

Have a look?

The leave feedback option will be there somewhere...

The only thing is that, eventually,  the option to leave feedback can go away.

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GWR Prairie Tank, 6100 Class.

A comparatively recent plastic (Airfix/ Mainline/ Dapol/ earlier Hornby?) body.

Missing the chimney cap.

Connecting rods, crossheads and cylinders are Tri-ang Railways parts.

Coupling rods probably Hornby Dublo, as are the driving wheels.

Quite possibly a Dublo 0-6-2 tank loco chassis.

The pony truck wheels could be Wrenn.

The actual pony trucks, unknown, but possibly Tri-ang Railways, R.59 Std 3MT Tank loco, or HD/ Wrenn from the 0-6-2 Tank loco.

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EDIT:

And after that research, I read the listing...🤷🏼‍♀️

3 hours ago, 6990WitherslackHall said:

It's not on the stairs, it's on a bedpost. It'll have a soft landing if it falls off though.

Does your Pug loose it's flavour on the bedpost overnight?

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It just leapt into my mind...🤷🏼‍♀️

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10 hours ago, Hroth said:

 

Its rather more "realistic" in general outline than the Hornby Barclay 0-4-0.  I expect the original chassis was a failed Mainline split-axle one, and an old X04 motored Nellie chassis would be more easily DCCd too!

 

( 0-4-0/0-6-0?  Whats a mere axle between friends??? 🤪 )

 

But this is not so much madness yet, more like loopiness...

 

A Triang Hornby R.157 DMU.

 

Would anyone want to travel to any of the roofboard destinations:

• London(Euston) to Blackpool
• London(Euston) - Birmingham - Wolverhampton
• London(Euston) - Glasgow
• London(Euston) - Whitehaven

in one of those???

 

Though I do like the cunningly applied advertising posters...

 

 

Yes, I like the enterprising use of parts...

That DMU is the later issue, with the "A7" Illuminated headcode.(1 missing, but parts are available...)

So, unless someone has already changed the Motor Bogie...it has the later finer flange smooth wheels.

Which would also fit a Blue Pullman, SR EMU, and possibly other models. (But NOT the Dock Shunter or other Transcontinental Series derived models...)

Nice use of 'parts' there too. 🙂

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13 hours ago, TimberValleyRailway said:

:/

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/354328808928

A Tri-ang derived 0-4-0 "Nellie" chassis under a, presumably, Mainline or Bachmann body.

It makes an interesting Loco...

Of course, real life Class 03 locos are 0-6-0. 🤷🏼‍♀️

(Add cowcatchers and side skirts, A la Tramway locos, and no one may notice.? )

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Thanks @BernardTPM

I did originally think that the black girder section Mallard is on was the Elevated Sidewalls...

Then I thought that they were too 'heavy' looking, and so thought of the Suspension Bridge...

Nope, I was right about the first time.

It IS the sidewalls!

Ruff, look a bit closer next time! 🤷🏼‍♀️

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Methylated Spirits can remove some paints. 

A bit time consuming, and it will also take off the original paint/ printing.

You can, if very careful, take paint off and leave the printing...but it ain't easy.

Lots of cotton buds, rags, and the Sprits...

Dettol will strip paint.

(We've not tried it...)

Various commercial concoctions.

Modelstrip, etc.

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The newer iterations of the suspension bridge come with labels to give the towers some 2D textures. 🙂

Also, they still include the 'hoops' for the Phase 2 OHLE, overhead power wires.

You see them fitted, but without wires...

No one seems to know what they were for? 🤔

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