kirtleypete

There can't be much of the original Terrier left! Peter

Digitrains and DCC supplies do a suitable sound decoder with a 21 pin plug so it's easy to install; Digitrains use Zimo decoders which have a stay alive capacitor built in which is useful. The DCC Supplies decoder is designed specifically for the Terrier and the speaker clips into the black plastic item that comes in the box with the engine and slides into the smokebox. Peter

Nicely done! I used to model the SECR in the 1990's and did all the lining with a Bob Moore lining pen - it wasn't my idea of fun. I'll add more to this thread when I do my next loco, which should be a Stroudley single with lots of horrible curves..... Peter

Fascinating Kevin...thanks for sharing it. Peter

I think Peco points are 6' radius Kevin, or very close to it. Next question is, how do I justify all those Saltdean PO wagons in south London?! Peter

Now that Autumn is upon us I have been thinking about having a small layout in the house to play with and for testing new stock ...mainly the former of course! Saltdean is in the garage and will end up in a storage unit when it's finished so something more convenient was called for. I have room along the wall of the sitting room for an eight foot long shunting layout with a headshunt two feet long onto a bookshelf that can be removed. This is what I've done: It's a 12mm ply baseboard 18" wide supported on four wrought iron shelf brackets which is plenty strong enough. The dangling wires are for the three point motors that haven't arrived yet. On the left is my Lenz 100 DCC equipment in an aluminium carrying case; I just attach it to the two feed wires with crocodile clips and off I go! This is the whole layout: There is a run round loop and there are enough sidings to keep me amused shunting things around. The track is Peco, the point motors Hoffmann's operated from the handheld controller. Lengths of aluminium angle run along the front and the top of the backscene to keep it looking neat and tidy. That's all there is to it really...it needs figures and general clutter adding but that's about all. When I get sound fitted to the loco's it should really be fun to operate, but unfortunately it was buy the decoders or the track and the track won! Here are some pretty pictures.... The backscenes are from my Kirtley Model Buildings range, in this case all taken at the Black Country Museum. I suppose the layout ought to be set in south London but I'm not really bothered, it's just a bit of fun. Slightly overlapping the buildings on the backscene helps give depth to the scene. The same pub appears twice but hopefully it's not too obvious. The Terrier is the perfect loco for a layout like this. Now it's back to working on the real Saltdean. Peter

That's a very useful picture. I've just realised that another modification needs to made to the LBSCR loco's; the tank tops should be black, not green; the green ended at the edge of the curved plate. Peter

Nice one! It's easy to do a fleet now too, just altering the number each time. Peter

Pretty good, I'd happily build another. It's surprising how much bigger than the Terrier it is. Peter

I've lived with my Terrier for three days now and I'm sorry, but I just can't accept the colour. It looks too dull, it doesn't have any impact. So, my loco is now 'Beulah', and is the same colour as my D class 0-4-2T which was matched to pictures of Gladstone. As far as I'm concerned, that's the gold standard. I made new tank sides by adapting my D artwork on the computer and printing them off onto Epsom photo paper. Then I simply cut them out and glued them onto the engine, after scraping off the boltheads. Now my engine hasn't any boltheads, but frankly I don't really care. The rest of the Improved Engine Green paintwork was simply brush painted carefully onto the existing panels, using my own mix of Tamiya acrylics (see my thread http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/100227-painting-locomotives-without-much-paint/ ).Everything else on the engine is just as it was.... Now my two loco's look right together - it was also the much darker lettering on the Dapol model that looked out of place. I'm not saying my version is better, just that now my engines match. When I get a second Terrier she will be renamed as well, probably Kemptown or Southdown. There are going to be too many Thames and Brighton running around! Peter

The Admiralty bought five loco's in all. In 1908 they bought No. 37 'Southdown' and it went to Scotland but worked at Grangemouth docks until after WW1 when it was sold to Dalmore distillery in Ivergorden. In 1918 four were sold; No 38 'Millwall', No 81 'Beulah' and No 83 'Earlswood' went to Scotland and No. 79 'Minories' went to Catterick and then on to Chatham dockyard. The three Scottish ones all moved on to distillery railways in the early 1920's. I have no record of any of them working at Inverness but if there was one it must have been one of these four; however Stroudley designed some very similar loco's for the Highland Railway - could it have been one of those in the picture? If the picture is suitable to post I'd love to see it, none of the books I have contain any information about the loco's working in Scotland. I imagine the Admiralty would have had the loco's repainted, probably in grey, but I don't know; they would have been put through Brighton works before being moved on. Certainly when the K&ESR bought their Terrier it was serviced and repainted at Brighton. The other question is, how did the Terriers get to Scotland? Finally, to answer your question, yes, the Dapol model could certainly be used to model one of the loco's though the 1918 batch might well have been rebuilt as A1X loco's by then so the SR version of the Dapol model would be the one to use. Edit - I've just found this - if the Highland enthusiasts don't know much about them the information probably doesn't exist. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1973 Peter

Careful Don, Dapol are doing the GWR green one in the next batch! Peter

Interesting - that's not something I'd thought of but it sounds plausible, Peter

The condensing affected the paintwork as well, and not just on the Terriers. The water in tender loco's could reach close to boiling point and tender sides weren't protected by the additional side sheet. There are pictures of tenders with perfect livery along the coal space and almost no paint at all where the water was, it had all burnt off. The shape of the internal division between the two was perfect, as if it has been drawn on. It was only possible to have the water as hot as this because the loco's used axle driven feed pumps to fill the bolier, an injector wouldn't have coped with the hot water. Thinking about it, I think the additional side panel on the tank engines was probably to protect the paint work rather than to cool the water as air circulation would have been minimal and the water didn't need cooling, in fact the hotter the better. Peter

I don't suppose it did - it wouldn't affect the running. In the five pictures above, four are ahead of the crankpin and one is behind! Peter

Here's what the real Terriers looked like in Stroudley livery. This is the picture I used when painting my model. There is water staining on the side tank - that's not from rubbing the water crane hose or whatever, that is water that has run down from the filler cap. There is also quite noticable staining running down the side of the smokebox, but otherwise she's gleaming. It's worth pointing out that she only looked like that on the day the picture was taken; the following day that staining might have been cleaned away and everything was clean again. It is also worth saying that not all Terriers ran around with a white stripe on the side tank, far from it, but enough did to justify adding it to a model. Knowle wasn't alone...... Look how worn tha paint is along the bottom edge of the tank, too. The side of the tank isn't actually the tank at all, it's a plate held by the bolts you can see away from the real side tank to allow air to circulate and cool the water in the tanks which became hot due to the condensing gear. It's not as clear in the picture but Newington also has staining running down the tank side, as well as on the smokebox. The staining is even fainter on 'Brighton', but it is there. Finally.... Piccadilly has beautifully clean side tanks, but just look at the smokebox! It may be that the paint was so damaged by the hot water leaking down it that cleaning it properly was no longer possible. I hope these pictures show that even on a clean, well looked after loco there is still scope for some subtle weathering to make your model stand out from the crowd. i would suggest also doing the following.... paint the axle ends olive green (Tamiya Olive Green is perfect), paint the balance weights olive green between the spokes and paint the tool box lid olive green. Paint the wooden brake blocks brown, and also the cab floor. I hope this helps, Peter

What, of the real ones? I'll see how well they scan. Peter

I hope they don't bring out rolling stock - I've just scratch built twelve LBSCR wagons! Peter

There are lots of pictures of Terriers in the 1890's, which is my period, with quite pronounced water stains on the side tanks. It's just a case of copying photo's from the right period. I won't do it when I get a second Terrier, but one one it's OK. It's difficult to personalise a loco when it's spotlessly clean. The pictures also suggest that the black paint on the smokebox sides tended to flake off after a few years, presumably due to heat damage. That would be a lot more difficult to replicate, though. Peter

I picked up a 'Waddon' at Telford and initially I was bit underwhelmed by the colour vwhich is not the same as on the pre production model in the showcase. However a coat of satin varnish helps, the factory finish is very flat. An hour of detailing it and it ended up looking like this... Oddly enough the colour looks much better in the pictures than it does in the flesh, yet they were just taken in natural light. I'm just taking the view that any differences in colour between my loco's is down to time since the last overhaul, the browning effect of the varnish and the atmosphere in the loco shed. The water staining on the tank side and smokebox is correct, a lot of pictures show that on otherwise spotless loco's. Peter

Like a lot of people I came home from Telford yesterday with a Dapol Terrier, in my case Waddon. It's a lovely little model, but an hour of work can make it even better. Here it is alongside my D1: They don't look too bad side by side...any differences in colour can be explained by one loco being longer out of shops than the other. Here's the Terrier straight from the box: It's a cracking little model and superb value for money. Mine was missing one number plate which is why only one side has been photgraphed; I'll order a set from Guilplates in due course. I was disappointed that the Westinghouse pump isn't lined, but other than that it's all there. I first gave the model a coat of satin varnish as the finish is very flat and in Brighton days loco's shone! The livery looks much better with a slight sheen to the finish. Then I painted the axle ends olive green and the part of the balance weights between the spokes are also painted green, a fiddly job...while the green paint was out I did the tool box lid as well. The wooden bake blocks were painted brown as the black plastic gets lost in the shadows without being picked out. I put coal in the bumker and a crew from Andrew Stadden in the cab - these are superb, they are not generic but proper LBSCR loco crew and come with eight arms so you can choose which to use to vary the position of the figures. He does a figure of Stroudley - I think I need him to put on the platform to keep an eye on things. This is how she looks now. Although the Terriers were kept spotless photo's do show that there was often water staining on the sidetanks and water stains on the smokebox below the condenser pipe so I added those. I'm sure I can justify one more Terrier - they are very appealing indeed! Peter

I've had a couple of days at the Bluebell this week and it's made me think about my modelling. East Grinstead station is practically brand new, but the track where the loco's stand is black, with sharply defined edges as though someone had gone along with a spray can. The ballast is clean everywhere else, but where a loco stands it's black. On the edge of the platform in the same place were sooty footprints where the crew climb down from the engine, to change the lamps, take water (not at East Grinstead) or whatever, maybe just to sit on a bench for a few minutes. Then there were the water cranes at Sheffield Park and Hosted Keynes, very black and sooty at the hinged end of the arm. Back home, I looked at Saltdean - it was too clean. The pictures show what I've done... The water crane has been blackened, and the track where a loco would stand has been sprayed black....there are four places, one by the water crane, one where an incoming train would stop to uncouple, on the headshunt where the loco would reverse and at the platform end where the train stands before departing. I also added some ash by the water crane, again copied from the Bluebell; this needs dry brushing in white when the PVA has dried. This is where a loco stands before departing: The footprints on the platform are a bit of fun, but why not? After experimenting by putting black paint on the feet of a Prieser man in the end I simply painted them. They shouldn't look too distinct, and fade away as the walker gets further from the engine..then there is a scuffed area. I've also built more rolling stock; this green beer van is for John Smith's new layout but it looks at home on Saltdean....because the two won't run together the similar slogan doesn't matter. It's a North British van but hopefully that's not too obvious now. John built it from a Parkside kit and I did the painting. I dread to think what the beer would taste like! I need to get on with the third baseboard now; I've got an EB Models Single half built which will also keep me busy over the next couple of months. The layout is booked to go to York next Easter so I've now got a deadline to work to which does focus the mind somewhat! Peter .

I'll have a look, Peter

Hi Kevin, We're at Milton Keynes tomorrow too, the Silver Fox show with Johannesdorf, my mate's Austrian narrow gauge layout. Cheers, Peter

That's really nice. Peter