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Looking good! I have one at the primer stage (in P4, on the test bed Rumney chassis) which has a bit of coverage on the scalefour forum.  I've covered a few bits of detailing I did there, but the Craftsman kit is certainly a good basis!

On 12/12/2020 at 22:32, Captain Kernow said:

Black is the new red.

But red was after black, before reverting to black, before olive? Lets not go Dutch.

Thanks Stephen, I had searched the online catalogue and not found reference to those - so its good to know they exist.

On 14/12/2020 at 17:55, Zunnan said:

I'd say the chances are dictated by the lockdown situation, with it being a higher certainty that you're going to meet idiots in higher numbers and places you really shouldn't be seeing them the stricter the rules are. I'm all for advocating exercise, but some people only seem to 'need' to exercise when they're told to stay indoors!

Did you pause for a minute and wonder about what other exercise they may normally do but were being prevented from doing? Gyms closed, no football/tennis/swimming allowed...  Likewise people who normally walk to work are in need of replacing that exercise if they're working from home? or even those who do normally walk to the shops, or football grounds, etc, and were prevented from doing. Just because your dog walk in itself isn't specifically adversely affected by the restrictions, doesn't mean there aren't many and varied reasons why peoples change in habits may bring them closer to you.

There have been very many bad things about this year, but the speed at which people jump to judge each other has to be one of the worst.

Anyway, back to 1P related things - does anyone know of a detailed drawing for a Midland D1246?

15 hours ago, LNER4479 said:

Bachmann do a composite in their port hole range but I'm not aware that it's been released in maroon (yet?)

Bachmann have done the Porthole CK in crimson & cream 39-465(/A, weathered), and maroon 39-466.

The 2 brakes in the photo are different diagrams, and the Porthole brake 3rd (39-461 in maroon) could be used alongside the Hornby one.  The Dapol one is a different diagram again. There is a good topic somewhere around RMW on detailing the Dapol offerings.

On 07/07/2020 at 13:33, Buhar said:

The alterations are minimal to the locomotive. Reach rod and superheater gubbins switch sides plus removing the splasher beading.

Plus the ejector. They will do a LH one for the Compound, but from memory those are subtly different to the 4F. Otherwise they have done right hand drive ones (4F,3F,1F,1P), or later/different styles. Unless the Crab suits? I don't think it does but not in a position to check just now.

Jim Smith-Wright has built the LMS D1804 Gannet kits:

http://www.p4newstreet.com/look-mum-no-glue.html

I thought he had also done the D1800 Trout kit too, but can't find it now and I am most likely mis-remembering the work he did to the Hornby version.

These are probably two cases in point - the Trout is unlikely to have a large market now due to the RTR version (however well or otherwise it builds), but the D1804 is otherwise a gap and would sell some.

On 19/02/2012 at 11:59, coachmann said:

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I guess the more difficult question is from what date did fire extinguisher blisters appear on the ends?

 

 

Cannot answer that one save to say the appearance of the extinguisher pod seemed coincident with the removal of all but the bottom end steps. The pod could appear left or right of the gangaway connector. So I would say between 1960 and 1965.

Dredging this back up from over 8 years ago, but just to add that it looks to have been before 1960.

There is a photo on colour rail (ref BRM307) of Fairburn 41238 running round at Oxenhope, dated October 1956.  The end of the D1999 TO has the extinguisher fitted at this point - but it won't long have been through the works for conversion to push pull fitting.

Could you not use the MJT to reform the plastic one? Either with the old boiling water trick, or 50C in the oven (presuming it is plasticard)?

Looking like a good build though!

2 hours ago, The Stationmaster said:

Incidentally as far as the Hattons 48/58/14XX is concerned I reckon it could make a smashing body kit - after all the tooling exists so it would just be a matter of packaging the sprues which would be much cheaper than factory assembly  and providing some decent instructions.   I suspect a market would be there provided someone were to provide a complementary chassis or chassis kit to go with it.  That might give the best of both worlds?

RT models do a J94 chassis, High Level & Comet/Wizard both do a 14xx. I accept that neither is specifically aimed at the DJ body, but can be altered to fit reasonably easily.

The question is, are the enough 'modellers' who would go down this route to actually make it viable? I agree the costs are different when paying for a run of something for which tooling exists, but even so a lot of people (examples up thread of those who prefer the Hornby J94 as it actually runs well every time, rather than the DJ model which is far more accurate in body shape & detailing terms).

I'm not aiming to be derogatory to those who would use RTR and have no intention of building chassis' - this is a broad church and we should all do what we actually enjoy in our spare time! But the sales for RTR and sales for kits are in completely different leagues.

1 hour ago, Aire Head said:

I can't see any reason why the LMS would have decided to use different motive power had the line through Bradford been completed.

My point was the the reversal at Leeds necessitated a swap. A through route therefore doesn't need that.  The said, I have no knowledge of the West Coast main line - did they swap at Crewe by default? York wasn't set up for loco swaps on the East coast. Why not run through?

On 02/06/2020 at 07:33, Joseph_Pestell said:

Yes, north of Bradford, most of the trains would still be of ex-LMS stock with just the three Scottish expresses (one starting from Leeds) having Mk1 stock. I have yet to find out when they got their Mk1 catering cars but, in any case, I like having the ex-LMS catering vehicles to add interest to the rake.

The only Mk1 catering vehicle I've seen photos of in the Thames-Clyde and Waverley (also the only one referenced in the carriage workings I've seen) are the D25 RKBs, which were built in 1961 and seem to have been put on these services straight away when new. 

I agree that the LMS versions do add a bit of variety though. However, oddly, there are quite a few photos of the Mk1 D25 but with an LMS open next to it (odd in that they had only just got the rakes to fully Mk1s, with no dropped buckeyes or gangway adapters in use, only to bring one back in).

One other thing - how are you considering the London - Scotland services to have been run?  In reality, they reversed at Leeds which also gave a replacement loco.  They were generally in the hands of Scots and Jubilees until the A3s and Class 45 Peaks arrived at Holbeck.  Would a loco swap still be envisaged? Or a larger loco if not? Duchesses were trialed on the Settle & Carlisle in the mid 50s, and used a few times on railtours in the mid 60s - but I don't think these were allowed on the southern section of the Midland mainline due to weight restrictions?

17 hours ago, melmerby said:

Many of the "yoof" of today seemed to have treated the lockdown as a free off work holiday where they can carry on doing the same things they usually do but every day.

There have been serious complaints right from the start about parties, raves, whatever going on as if nothing was happening.

 

A problem is when the police crack down they get accused of being heavy handed by the gutter press.

 

The younger generation around where I live haven't changed their behaviour one jot.

Off to visit friends, friends around to visit them, nights out, overnight stays etc.

The only ones doing their bit is us old scrotes worried the kids recklessness will bring the plague here.

Yes, what we really need now is more people blanket blaming opposite sections of society to give themselves the moral highground.  I've seen plenty of people from all ages doing what they please,  and likewise plenty of people of all ages doing what they can to help each other out.

Thanks - not quite, from what I can see that has beaded tanks - 42770 had snaphead rivets and was unbeaded.  The same basic style of Fowler body on a Deeley underframe though.  I do have all the bits for this project, just awaiting the round tuit!

I think roof joints are in the same category as brick courses ad several other things - with the '3 foot rule' there are a lot of things which have no discernible texture or relief, but because we are looking from 3 foot rather than 200ft+ our brains expect to see it.  Alongside this, the way dirt forms in or around these features is easy to replicate if there is a change in surface, but pretty difficult if not.

Looking good though Ian, thanks for sharing! and for sharing the journey, it may be that different people choose different routes - but you showing us what you're producing takes out a lot of repeated experiments.

Nobody is good at everything, and the products are excellent.  This isn't to say anyone should or has the right to be rude, and sometimes things are difficult to translate in emails...

I get my Markits stuff via 247 Developments, other outlets available.  Not all stockists stock everything (247 don't stock all the wheels - you can do the maths on the size of the range as to why this is seen as impractical) - but most will add extra bits to their next order with them if requested.

Not a detailed view, but a good plan image of the goods shed from the 'Ilkley memories' facebook group.

Excellent, thanks. I have seen that one before, but as you say definitely better that way than assuming I/we had and not doing! It may well be new to other readers too.

It looks like the same one in the collection available from the scalefour stores.

Undated - but can be narrowed down.  The telegraph poles poles got replaced with different arms sometime after 1956, but by 1956 the tall roof vents had already gone. It is definitely post war to have the blackout 'white paint' to aid low light visibility, it has the BR gas lamp head, and the double arm signal was installed in 1948 (taller than the one it replaced).  The original higher section of roof was still raised in 1939 but lower by 1948.

I thought I had a photo or two dated 1953 but they aren't immediately to hand.

*all this is going by dates of other photos, but does seem to stack up.

58066 certainly got some use in the middle of 1958 - there are several photos of it, and references to it, when Manningham borrowed it from Royston.  Presumably they had a shortage of push pull fitted locos at the time, and it was used on the Worth Valley but also to Ilkley during this spell.

I'm quite happy if they don't do this one though.  I'm currently in the process of trying to at least match the quality of the Bachmann ejector (as used on their 1F, and applicable to some but not all 1Ps)!

15 hours ago, RJS1977 said:

A "leaked" provisional timetable

 

No mention of model railway exhibitions (or heritage railways for that matter) - however if crowds of thousands might be attending football matches in October

Aside from the potential spanners into the timescales, one thing that this lacks is the end of only 'essential' travel. Ignoring the punters packed on heritage railways & public facing volunteers for a moment, for those volunteering there are generally quite a few low risk options (until everyone gathers in the pub!) - but only if you can travel to get there.

Football matches assume both sets of fans can go, but doesn't state it, so could be home/local supporters, who could be spread out, etc.

It is surely a move from the financial perspective - they want to stop paying furlough, increase tax revenue by getting people back to work, and get people working more efficiently/effectively by not having the distraction of home schooling.

I don't think the first phase or two will have anything to do with allowing us to have 'none essential travel', nor mass gatherings. As had been said up thread, even if our government follow the trump gung ho approach that doesn't mean much of the public would follow suit.

I expect to be keeping my head down & making modelling hay for a while yet.

Etsy stock the 24 gauge, and you don't need an account and can pay by Paypal.

https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/769368819/brass-half-round-wire-soft?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=half+round+wire&ref=sr_gallery-1-6&frs=1

The GA drawing says the beading was 2" x 0.5" (so 0.67mm x 0.17mm). I do follow Dave's logic of the slightly smaller one which will be built up with paint, likewise Mike's suggestion. All roads lead to Rome...

Just to note that 'the book of' series book covering the Ivatt 2 tanks is due out soon.

https://www.irwellpress.com/acatalog/LONDON_MIDLAND_SCOTTISH_RAILWAY.html

(though these very much compliment the Wild Swan books, so we can still hope for no 17 ;-) )

No particular news on the layout - I'm currently working from home but kept as busy as ever, for the time being at least. Some extra evening & weekend time is allowing more modelling, but generally trying to progress loco builds at the moment.

However one thing while browsing 'The Otley & Ilkley Joint Railway', and I think links to something Tom has been looking at, is trip freight workings.

There were quite a few which worked through Ilkley, but two which stopped there to shunt. These were the L87 from Leeds Hunslet sidings, worked from Holbeck, and SN64 from Skipton. L87 shunted Ilkley in the morning, and SN64 in the afternoon.

By 1958 Skipton was still in the Midland region, which Ilkley & Holbeck were in the North Eastern region.

My question, as I'm only modelling the shed - would this shunting (coal in, ash out) be organised regionally, and therefore be covered by the Holbeck working? Or would it be more set up for efficiency which would depend on the source of coal (which will be harder to find out) and disposal location for the ash - which would presumably be far more variable.

50 minutes ago, Neal Ball said:

if you don’t have anything positive to say, don’t comment.

I thought bringing down the length of delay was a positive - but apologies if my first sentence seemed harsh.  It is good of Bachmann to keep everyone updated - a lot is outside of their control, but what is in their control is keeping those best guesses coming.  I had noticed the 1P timescale moved to November, and it is useful to see the update on their plan for the 3 monthly announcement.

23 minutes ago, Philou said:

Errr .... I beg to differ, January to June is 6 months eg: 01/2020 (Jan 2020) to 06/2020 (Jun 2020) and unless its New Maths, it seems like 6 months whichever way you slice it.

1+5 = 6. Agreed that the beginning of Jan to very end of June would be almost 6, but that isn't how the monthly announcement dates work as far as I'm aware. Likewise the end of Jan to beginning of June is barely over 4.