Miss Prism

Last crimson lake pic I know of is c 1928 (a single large 70' toplight iirc). In the mid- to late-20s however, the GWR Board provided extra funds for coach repaints, in an effort (it seems to me) to make things look modern, which I think equates to getting rid of over-elaborate lining. So the normal repainting intervals were not observable in the way they had been before. Full lining had almost completely disappeared after 1930.

I have posted pics of brown and cream repaints of this stock earlier in this thread (see here and here), but Dapol knows, as do all the manufacturers, they can produce liveries with impunity. Collectors will lap them up, even where there is no evidence of a particular prototype livery era being actually applied to prototype stock. If I was Dapol, I'd do a Hattons and produce them in all sorts of non-GWR liveries - they would still sell like hot cakes.

I'm usually very critical of manufacturers (especially Hornby, who do tend to take liberties) applying fictional liveries to stock, but I guess I'm softening in my dotage.

That looks like it could haul a few wagons.

Set 1 - 1920-22
Set 2 - 1922-27
Set 3 - 1928-34
Set 4 - 1934-42
Set 5 - 1942-43
Set 6 - 1949-57
 

But as noted earlier in the thread, I doubt whether all these liveries were applied.

Great video. Magnificent scenery!

Yes, the vacuum pump sound is too 'clicky'.

4 hours ago, Hal Nail said:

Similarly I've never thought brass coaches look quite right because you get lovely clear flush windows but can see no depth behind them.

It depends on the diagram. The original C54s (to take an example of a diagram produced in large numbers) were wooden bodied, so the windows had a c 1.5" depth. Around 1930 or so, the C54s became steel sided, so the surround reduced to 3/8" or so. (Droplight apertures were not affected, though.)

Completely different look.

I think the bufferstop should carry a Blue Plaque.

29 minutes ago, Hal Nail said:

Realistically, and I don't mean to imply there is anything wrong with this, many will be applying rule 1 in buying a 44xx in the first place

Agree - I was merely reacting to the video's "look absolutely perfect running with the 44xx" and "If your modelling a GWR branchline, a 44xx with a B-set would be a really great foundation to start from."
 

Much Wenlock ran with a ragbag of stock, but I think most of it was corridor.

Corridor Toplights announced by Dapol  (as I understand the latest info)

My knowledge of Granges is rudimentary - when did they start using the Collett 3500g tenders - 1950?

I'm scratching my head trying to recall a pic of a 44xx with an elliptical roof B-set.

The BR crimson ones seem particularly suited to 'Rule Number 1' locations.

1 hour ago, Nick Holliday said:

dull slate grey

I'm not suggesting an equivalence, but 'khaki' has numerous shades.

3 minutes ago, St Enodoc said:

Thanks! That will be very useful.

Available in other formats - see here.

I lived near EAMES as a kid (it was my shrine of wonder), and I can't recall seeing anything on nearby brickwork like that.

1 hour ago, St Enodoc said:

If there were a version of the Harris Appendix sorted by running number that would be most interesting.

https://mmrs.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/GW-coach-numbers.pdf

Allan Brett Cannon at London Bridge?

5 minutes ago, St Enodoc said:

(it was probably the source for GWRorg, back in Mikkel's time).

No. I started the B-set page (originating from Tim Venton's old site), and gradually added information. Mikkel is not to blame!

I can't remember now whether I cross-checked with Harris. I think that will be the first step.

Oh. I've got to track down some old Mike South and John Lewis files, and that may take some while.

Identifcation of the cars is the clue to the date.

I suspect there might have been 3 spring types on the Churchward 3500g - light, medium and heavy. The heavy type might have been introduced before 1925. This pic of 4700, assuming it was taken when the loco was new, would date the introduction of the heavy spring to 1919, but that doesn't mean it featured on the Mogul tenders from that date of course (there were many lots of 3500g between 1919 and 1925). All the Churchward tenders were upgraded when they visited the works, but it's difficult to tell when the last of the lighter springs could be seen in service, possibly late 1920s.

Here is an extract of a drawing from the late Peter Rich, for a Dean 4000g behind the first series of Counties, showing the light spring. The early 'twin strips' form of brake hanger is also shown. The heavier cast type of hanger, as featured on model RTR tenders, didn't feature until many years later (probably mid-1930s).
 

27 minutes ago, Fredo said:

Hi, was 5330 still in BR Lined Green in the early 60’s? Thanks Fred

Yes. (ex-works, 1957)

Within a few years, it wasn't possible to tell what the livery was. Seen here at Reading, with a different tender:

5 hours ago, checkrail said:

Shouldn't the bolections be the same colour as the droplights?

Yes.