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Steve you are correct, appart from the 3rd class coach it is not illuminated on the Umber/Cream, also the later Umber/Cream had blinds, white and red which were iluminated although faintly by yes, the four bulbs. OK , the Blue pullman has lamps in all carriages even the additional ones. Getting back to the point. Does not matter which set ,It still should run on DCC and DC as stated, if set up correctly (should be no need as it is the decoders default) we were discussing no lamps on in the carriages and not working on DCC. By the way saffire decoders are a Hornby make (if not said before) Just ask a silly question, has the decoder been put in the wrong way? Orange pin 1

This is what I got back from Oliviers "David, The Umber & Cream for some strange reason does not come with Working Lights. It is something we could get done but at an additional cost & we would have to send it away for a Template" Thats where I got muddled up so my appologies R2987/X 1934 Pullman Brighton Belle Train Pack Each Car is lit and complete with detailed interior. Extra Cars R4512 Addional coach for the R2987/X 1934 Pullman Brighton Belle Train Pack No interior Lighting. R4513 "Doris" Addional coach for the R2987/X 1934 Pullman Brighton Belle Train Pack 1St Class has illuminated Lamps R4514 "Hazel" Addional coach for the R2987/X 1934 Pullman Brighton Belle Train Pack 1St Class has illuminated Lamps

:laugh: Ok try this CV 29 set to 6 (Should be default) if is is set to 6 iit will operate speed steps and DC as well as DCC Just also like to add If you have the Full set of carriages these are not with lit lamps. The three extra carriages do not light up. This link is for the English language Manual for the Lokpilot Basic if you did not get one? http://www.tagspecialisten.com/923f5e17-8f43-46a5-a818-b2e6fee8a211 With the Lokpilot the lights maybe on a fuction other than FO forward and FO reverse these may not operate on DC Hope this sorts it out?????

OK, does all the units have an 8 pin scoket for the decoder or just the motor one? Have you tried an 8 pin blanking plug (supplied if DCC ready) on DC? The motor drive unit should be OK to programm on its own without attaching to other non powered one. If you have tried this, then suspect that the socket is faulty if all decoders work fine in other loco's. Is the belle the Brighton Belle i.e 2 car like this one. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hornby-R2988-Brighton-Belle-1967-2-Car-Pack-DCC-Ready-Brand-New-/320900511632?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item4ab7293790 I would imagine that there are no Hornby dealers nearby where you are. Have you thought about hard wiring the decoder? Information here http://www.nmra.org/standards/DCC/standards_rps/RP-9.1.1%202008.01.pdf look at table 2 for the pin numbers and colour wire.8 pin decoder. Pin 1 Orange wire (Motor R/H), Pin 5 Grey wire (Motor L/H), Pin 4 Black wire (Left pick up) Pin 8 Red wire (Right pick up). Pin 6 White wire (Front Headlight) Pin 2 Yellow wire (Rear Headlight) Pin 7 Blue wire (common for lights and function 1 Green wire, Function 2 Purple wire) Sometimes Hornby with the wires going to the socket are all the same colour so it is important to know where pin one should go. Hope this helps. Dave

Martin, Agree with Paul there. This is normal for a decoder to jerk forwards and backwards (very slightly) on a Programming Track when the command station is in programming mode, it reads the CV's of the decoder. If there is a short, the command station should shut off before the decoder lets out the blue smoke (fries). The majority of my decoders are ESU and also the Command Station 50200. By reading your comment, on it runs perfectly on DC but nothing on DCC, therefore this is telling me that the command station is not recognising the new address of the Lokpilot. Have you changed the CV address? If so, on normal running on DCC you would need to select the new address that you have changed from 3. Further, on DC, if the decoder is programmed to run on DC/DCC (it should be as it is a factory setting) it does not matter what address it is, so it will run. Try resetting the decoder CV08 to 08 the address would be re set to 3, then try and use the loco on DC track. Should be OK. Then try on DCC with controller set to address 3. Should be OK on that too. If all OK, then you can set address on programming track (or mode on controller) to what ever short address you want. Place on DCC track and select the address you have just programmed with the controller, all should be OK. Hope this helps. Note make sure no other locos are on DCC track when programming new loco (precaution or you could end up re setting all the locos on the track.) Dave