Tony Teague

Thanks Jack - useful picture. Dave Locomotives Illustrated has two pics of 401 - with a single dome in LBSCR livery, and then with two and a short chimney on 14th April 1949; it is a shame that the Mike Morant pic has no date - but I think that the solution for me will be to avoid no.2401 for fear that I get it wrong! If I could find my copy of Bradley, then I might be able to come up with a more definitive answer! Tony

OK, a quick update on layout progress - after all that is what this thread is supposed to be about! Churminster Goods Shed is now all but finished; it needs a little more embedding into the landscape, the crane needs further painting, a load, and the installation of a servo, plus the shed has lights inside which are yet to be connected, but otherwise it is pretty much there: Tony

Thanks for joining the discussion Javier and for your enthusiasm! I shall certainly be at the head of the queue for an E6X, and just between ourselves, I already bought a South Eastern Finecast E6 chassis to fit it! I'll also feed back to you on any issues with the body - chassis fit, and thanks again for producing this. Tony

Hi Dave Will test & report on pulling power later - I take it you mean coaches & wagons & not "the ladies"! Hi Jack Yes I looked at the higher grade print, but at the time the designer was not completely confident that he had got everything right - and so I took the safer / cheaper option. I will see how the body "scrubs up" and if it looks too rough but is right in other respects, then I'll re-order and put this one down to experience. Tony

Seemed a bit like Christmas here on Friday, with several parcels arriving from different directions! First up was a loco kit that I had ordered from CSP / Agenoria Models for an obscure East Kent Railway loco that is currently missing from the collection - but they still have no news of the far more important but even more diminutive ex-LSWR C14 kit - one day perhaps! Next, and certainly most exciting, was the arrival, fresh from DLT's workshop, of No.347 the ex-LSWR Drummond K10 which plugs a very important gap in the collection; many of you will have been following the complex build of this loco from an ancient and somewhat deficient kit on Dave / DLT's thread ( http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/2359-dlts-sr-locos/page-52&do=findComment&comment=3196202 ) where he has posted a number of pictures of the completed model. I have already added a crew but have yet to fill the tender or add headcode discs, but here is this beautiful mode pulling a short test train - Set 45 - being a pair of the excellent Hornby Maunsell non-corridors - as it passes Stowe Magna Gasworks: Later she crosses Churminster Junction to approach Churminster Station: Where she pauses to change crew, having run impeccably throughout: A big thanks to Dave for turning a sow's ear of a kit into a silk purse of a model! Of the final two of four parcels arriving that day, the first contained a South East Finecast chassis kit for an ex-LBSCR E5, whilst the last came from Shapeways and contained a 3D printed body for an E5X - one of my "missing" locos! I have been in touch with 'Javier' during the development of the 3D model, and who will now be offering it via his Shapeways shop at https://www.shapeways.com/product/567J28HNV/full-space-lbscr-e5-x-body-shell-oo-and-ho?optionId=65671354&li=user-profile I have checked all of the key dimensions and feel that it should make up to a good model; here it is sitting loosely (and too high) on the chassis from an existing E5: and shown for comparison against the E5 model: The chassis will need some adjustment so as to get the body riding at the right height; the print includes some key parts that are sitting inside the main bodyshell: I am looking forward to working on this model and will report progress in future. Together with the delivery of the K10, this updates my "missing" list (A-L only so far!) as follows: SECR Wainwright B1 (16) LB&SCR Billinton B4X (12) LB&SCR Marsh C3 (8) LSWR Drummond C14 (3) - potential solution = CSP / Agenoria kit announced years ago but yet to be delivered LB&SCR Marsh D3X (1) LB&SCR Billinton E4X (4) LB&SCR Billinton E5X (4) - 3D printed body + SEF chassis kit held for assembly LB&SCR Billinton E6X (2) SECR Wainwright F1 (9) - solution = Jidenco kit held but not yet in build SR Maunsell I1X (18) LSWR Drummond L12 (20) - solved, 3D printed, etched & cast by Arun Sharma, now in build on Hornby RTR chassis Tony

Thanks Nick and Wickham Green - I have got the books on order so will aim to get it right when it finally hits the paint shop. Best wishes Tony

Many thanks for your prompt reply; I will get hold of a copy of the Oakwood volume, but in the meantime I realised that I have the Middleton Press book which says of No.4: "It remained green painted, unlike No.s 1 to 3 which were always black..." What is the title of the Casserley and Asher book that you have cited? Tony Tony

Can anyone help me with details of the correct livery for the Kerr Stuart 'Victory' 0-6-0T loco owned by the East Kent Railway and numbered No.4 until nationalisation in 1948 when it became BR No.30948 ? I am modelling 1938 - 1948 so it is the pre-nationalisation livery that I am after. Tony

Prices will probably drop further once the Hornby model comes out - but I agree with you - this one may be old but it is a good basis for improvement, and I don't think Bachman ever did produce the model that you describe. Tony

In covering the Lord Nelsons, I had intended to include a picture of one of them in wartime black livery; I rather like these locos and I feel they look particularly good in black. The Bachmann model may be dated but to me it still portrays the massive nature of these locos well: No.859 'Lord Hood' - a Bachmann re-spray. Tony

Thanks Bill I had no idea there was also a Mallard kit, but I must say that I had thought the ACE one was white metal - I'll have to go and have a look! Tony

That's interesting, and again, having now consulted the right volumen of Locomotives Illustrated I can see that all of the original cab roofs were changed by 1938 - so my model of 2345 has the wrong roof / cab for the livery that it is in and the era of the layout. Maybe one day it will get changed....

Hi Philip Many thanks for correcting me; I have since got out my copy of Bradley for the SECR and improved my education! Thank you & glad you are enjoying the run-through. Tony

And so to "K" and "L". First up is Billinton's elegant ex-LB&SCR K class, and I have posted pics of this before, so please excuse some repetition; I am always surprised that no RTR model of this loco has ever appeared, but I have three of these in two different liveries. I will show them all because I am not sure whether they all came from the same Ace Products kit, or whether one of them came from another source. If so, it is unknown to me: First up is No.2346 in lined olive, and I can be certain that this is an Ace Products kit with a Mashima motor, because it was built for me by Chris Phillips, however, the other two were acquired 2nd hand. No.2341 appears to me to be from the same kit: However, No.2345 has a very different cab roof line, and I wonder whether someone else did a K class kit at some point (?Nu-Cast, K's? perhaps)? This one came with a very noisy old open frame motor which has recently been swapped for a Mashima. Next up is the ex-LSWR Drummond K10 class - essentially a T9 variant; I finally managed to track down an example of the only kit that I know of that has been made for this class, by E.J. Sharpe. It is a very old kit, not up to modern specification, and many of those who read this thread will have tracked it being built very kindly for me by DLT - see: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/2359-dlts-sr-locos-k10-from-a-very-old-kit/?p=3196202 The amount of work he has had to do to get this looking so good is staggering - I am most grateful and look forward to sseing it running on the layout. Moving on, we come to "L" - and there are quite a few of them under the Southern Raiway's bizarre numbering system; first is the ex-SECR Wainwright L class, represented in RTR form by No. 1762 from OO Works: A DJH kit also exists for this class, represented by No.1778: During his SR period, Maunsell then converted a number of these improved the design of the L class to form produce the "L1" class, represented here by No.1783 from a PDK kit: Moving on, we reach the Drummond ex-LSWR L11 class; No.148 is from a Finney kit: Drummond also developed an L12 - a further T9 variant with a larger boiler but sitting on an identical chassis and wheel arrangement to the T9; no kit or RTR model is known to exist for this class, and so after some time with this sitting on my "missing" list, I managed to persuade my good friend Arun Sharma to draw and 3D print a body with the idea that this would then sit on a donor Hornby T9 chassis: We then decided that this would not be heavy enough and that it would be improved by etching the footplate, cabsides etc, and casting the boiler, firebox and smokebox in white metal - all of which Arun then undertook; after a couple of false starts, and with the help of another RM Webber, the build is now making good progress and I will report further in due course. Finally under "L" we have Lord Nelson, the Southern Raiwlay, Maunsell LN class for which Hornby are soon to deliver a new RTR model. In the meantime, however, we have the now fairly dated Bachmann model, represented here by No.855 'Sir Robert Blake': And from a Craftsman kit, No.863 'Lord Rodney' So that completes "L"; next up is "M" and we will have reached the halfway point - at least alphabetically! Meanwhile, her is the updated "missing" list to date: SECR Wainwright B1 (16) LB&SCR Billinton B4X (12) LB&SCR Marsh C3 (8) LSWR Drummond C14 (3) - potential solution = CSP / Agenoria kit announced years ago but yet to be delivered LB&SCR Marsh D3X (1) LB&SCR Billinton E4X (4) LB&SCR Billinton E5X (4) - potential solution identified, watch this space! LB&SCR Billinton E6X (2) SECR Wainwright F1 (9) - solution = Jidenco kit held but not yet in build SR Maunsell I1X (18) LSWR Drummond K10 (31) - solved, built by DLT and delivery expected soon! LSWR Drummond L12 (20) - solved, 3D printed, etched & cast by Arun Sharma, now in build on Hornby RTR chassis Tony Edited to correct my statement about the derivation of the L1 class

Chris I guess that I felt that one must draw a line somewhere - the J1 has slightly larger tanks (by 311 gallons) and has Stephenson rather than Walschaerts valve gear; I doubt that these could be seen in 4mm scale from normal viewing distance. This, coupled to there being only 1 loco in each sub-class led me, wrongly or rightly, to ignore the J1. Tony

It is certainly rather massive looking, but I think that the ex-SECR J, just posted (No.1596) is rather more odd-looking! Tony

After that diversion to the letter "T", back to our A-Z of Southern Locomotives, and to the letter "I". First up should be the Maunsell I1X - but this is on my "missing" list, so on to the ex-LB&SCR Marsh I3, of which I have models from two different sources: No.2030 is a RTR model by OO Works, whilst No. 2091 is from a SE Finecast kit: Following these two "I's" are two "J's"; No.1596 is an ex-SECR Wainwright J class loco from a Chivers kit: Whilst No.2326 is an ex-LB&SCR Marsh J2 from an Ace Products kit: "K" is next, but first, here is the updated "missing" list: SECR Wainwright B1 (16) LB&SCR Billinton B4X (12) LB&SCR Marsh C3 (8) LSWR Drummond C14 (3) - potential solution = CSP / Agenoria kit announced years ago but yet to be delivered LB&SCR Marsh D3X (1) LB&SCR Billinton E4X (4) LB&SCR Billinton E5X (4) - potential solution identified, watch this space! LB&SCR Billinton E6X (2) SECR Wainwright F1 (9) - solution = Jidenco kit held but not yet in build SR Maunsell I1X (18) Tony

In response to DLT / Dave's request - the 'Paddlebox': Otherwise known as No.460, an ex-LSWR Drummond class T14 from a Nu-Cast kit: Tony

Thanks for your kind words Paul; I get a lot of pleasure from the layout too! Yes it is a Nu-Cast Paddlebox; I'll have to take some pictures, although strictly speaking we are only up to "H", but I suppose we can make an exception! Tony

Really excellent job Dave, especially when one looks back at the many defects in this ancient kit! Tony

The crane is already installed on the deck, but somehow missing from all pics so far - however, it is not yet activated, nor is the paint job complete: What I envision (if that is not too pretentious a word for this time of the evening) is that it will have a small container dangling from it, held by chains and that it will swing from the dock and over to a flat bed trailer standing conveniently to hand - and back again. It will be servo powered and operated randomly along with one or two other distracting and unnecessary features - purely for entertainment! Tony

Look forward to your visit! Tony

Ho, ho, ho! Or a turn for the better, pehaps.

Time for a break from the A-Z of Southern Locomotives, and for an update on the layout. I am still working hard to get the area around Churminster station 'completed' - or at least to a uniform level of incompleteness! Churminster shed finally has its 16 chimneys: I think it's an improvement! Meanwhile, the roof for Churminster Goods Shed is under construction: I decided to build a timber frame for the roof - from stripwood - as the building has such large windows and entrances that it will easily be possible to look inside: It will also have some LED pendant lights inside and these will hang from the "rafters". The roofing material will be fixed to the timber frame, but the frame will not be fixed to the walls as I am making it removable, just in case a shunting incident should arise within the shed! This in turn means that the lights have to be unplugable, etc, etc .... Once the roof is on, attention will "turn" to the hand crane outside the shed, for which a servo has been obtained - more soon! Tony

Time for the letter "H", and we start with the ex-SECR Wainwright H class, of which there are models from several different manufacturers, plus livery variations, so here goes. No.1552, a RTR model by OO Works in wartime black livery is first: Then we have No.1263 from an SE Finecast kit, in lined olive: and finally, No.1324, the latest RTR model from Hornby: Moving on to the ex-LBSCR Marsh H1 class, we have no.2037 'Selsey Bill' from a DJH kit: This is closely followed by No.2422 'North Foreland' from the ex-LB&SCR Marsh H2 class - another DJH kit: I am looking forward to seeing both the Bachman RTR model AND the 12" to the foot recreation at the Bluebell Railway in due course! Finally, we come to two Urie, ex-LSWR classes, No.522 represents the smaller boilered variety of H15, from a DJH kit: I don't yet have one of the larger boilered H15's in the fleet, but I have the PDK kit which will get built in due course. bringing up the rear we have a brace of H16 big tanks, each from old Millholme kits; No. 517 in lined green was built by the late Geoff Tyler: and to conclude, No.518 in wartime black, built by Tony Wright and painted by Geoff Haynes: (This picture also courtesy of Tony Wright). And that completes the "H's" with no additons to the "missing" list"! As before, all kit built locos excepting the two H16's were built & painted for me by Chris Phillips. Tony