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6 minutes ago, Andrew P said:

Ex Central was SR, Ex St Davids was both but controlled by GWR I believe.

 

I remember seeing NSE Cl 50's struggling out of St Davids up the bank to Central for onward to Honiton etc. 

 

I fancy doing a model of St Davids, its in the Peco Track Plan Book and would be great to do, with its 4 way Traffic flow, but it would need to be in N to fit into almost any house room.

CJF did at least three plans based on Central. As I recall, the smallest fitted into 14' x 8'. Much simplified of course but it allowed all the principal movements to be replicated.

There have been models in N (at least two) , TT, and 00. If the goods yard is modelled, it gets a bit wide in 00.

1 minute ago, scottystitch said:

Indeed, you are correct.  That said

I have previously looked at Glasgow North, and drawn it in AnyRail, but again the exclusive terminus nature of it was too much of a red cross rather than green tick so I moved on from it.  I also redesigned Buchanan Street with a through line that dropped under ground (to tie in with the sub surface line that passes under Queen Street at present), the same as happened at Dundee East, but I just couldn't get it to work for me without becoming too complex. 

 

I do appreciate your misgivings, and thank you for airing them, but Muir Street feels fine for me.  That said, it may be that the goods facility is removed in favour of carriage sidings, as per Buchanan Street.   We shall see.  Buchanan Street in the sixties was not a very busy place in the grand scheme of things, and at least one pair of tracks had an elevated walkway between them with servicing facilities (water replenishment for toilet header tanks, etc.) to remove the need for the stock to be relocated between services.

 

Best

 

Scott.

Hi Scott,

Glasgow North is interesting as a concept but probably not too interesting as a model. It could be redesigned to be a bit smaller and more interesting to operate.

Buchanan St and Glasgow North both had some freight facilities. But I agree that the placing of the warehouse on your plan could be a problem.

Is the centre of this space available to you? A terminus down the centre of the room, similar to Clive's Sheffield Exchange, would get you round the problem.

On 18/09/2021 at 15:15, HeatonLodge40 said:

Lots of radio silence lately I know.

 

All positive update wise though, the automation works superbly - in fact the sight of seeing two ‘40’s on a 20 van Redbank parcels slowing down for a red, then accelerating as the points change a single yellow plus feather light up is super to watch.

It’s been a huge amount of work to get the system to perform - mainly because it involves getting one 10amp system to talk to  another system that works the automation & won’t run on 10amps! At the end of the day there isn’t a manufacturer whose designed a system for O gauge either, so you see the issues. 
 

So the last few days the job has begun to completely dismantle Heaton Lodge, load all the boards onto the steel handcarts & at the same time tidy up the wiring and fix other bits and bats. 
The150ft fiddle yard is now mostly down, next week down comes the scenic side. It’s a mess in the dungeon at the moment so please excuse that! 
After that it’ll all be reassembled for more testing, getting the overhead ‘platform’ type timetables to work and weathering a load of rolling stock that hasn’t been done yet. 

 

For those who are interested the layout will be displayed in Wakefield City Centre from Sat 4th - Sunday 19th December in the Market Hall, Union Street WF13AE. 
Official sponsors Heljan will also be there with additional OO layouts by Peco. 
It’ll be in the modelling press soon enough together with more details.. 
 

Thank you to all of you that have followed this thread for the last 7 years, plus Andy York & Phil Parker for a kind and complimentary write up last month in BRM. 
 

I will keep updating here every few weeks but it’ll be more on the logistics of shifting 100+ boards weighing about 5 tons.!

 

Hopefully see some of you in December 

Great news that you can finally exhibit this superb layout.

I hope to be living a bit further North by December so will definitely be wanting to visit.

In Calais a few weeks ago, I saw a whole intermodal freight train operated for/by Alaine, a mid-sized lorry firm in the South of France. 

So it can be done. It must be better to have containers/trailers on the move earning money than sat in a layby.

Perhaps the uncertainties about this plan stem from the fact that Moor St was designed for suburban traffic, with a loco rapidly coming onto the country end of a train for it to depart without any servicing. Muir St is serving a different sort of traffic, long-distance needing the train to be serviced at carriage sidings.

It is difficult to combine the terminus element with the desire for a continuous run for the freight. Perhaps best to separate them altogether. There was indeed a freight link across Glasgow branching off at St Enoch.

Also worth taking a look at the post-war plans for Glasgow North, a station on the site of Buchanan St but designed to also take the ex-NBR traffic into Queen St.

16 minutes ago, PhilJ W said:

For some reason the Royals seem to get a bit twitchy when DNA is mentioned. Although the Duke of Edinburgh was happy to have his DNA help identify the Romanovs that was a different branch of the family. When the remains of Richard III were identified by using DNA that didn't come from the royal family. But questions have been raised about the anomalies found in the DNA. Perhaps there's something about the rumours of Edward IV not being of royal blood? 

When you go back that far, most of us have some Royal DNA (I have antecedents from three of Edward III's children). So I am not sure how they can be certain about Richard III.

Can we assume that Minories, like Fenchurch St, lies very close to the first station down the line?  If so, each of the three platform starters will be accompanied by a distant arm controlled by the next box.

The signals controlling the movements into the station are probably off-scene if the view blocker is a road running over the railway as otherwise sighting of the signals would be problematic.

If I have correctly interpreted the drawing, there is a viewblocker in the form of a footbridge. So the approach signal is going to be off-scene.

Wow!!! An amazing example of the advantages of 2mm. Pity if it never gets exhibited but it would be difficult to transport. Open Days perhaps.

15 hours ago, SHMD said:

 

What does the Brail say on the side?

 

 

Kev.

"I'm sorry, I'll feel that again" (Dudley Moore).

Braille, after the name of it's inventor, pronounced Bry.

I think it says, "These are bloody big rivets".

I don't think that anyone saw that coming! A really left-field choice.

Like others, I saw these units almost every day at LB when I was commuting (early 1976) but never managed to travel on one. I think that I would have found it a bit claustrophobic.

On 20/08/2021 at 15:55, Stubby47 said:

 

If you can automate a working 4mm bloke with a pinch bar, you'll make a fortune !!

But only after the fully moving shunting horse.

13 hours ago, russell price said:

Do you have a photos of your fairburn Please, i think i have one too but would like to see another, Regards the OPs Question Did Rowell do something like this? I have a Rowell Duchess but that is cast.

It's buried in a storage box. As and when I next see it, I will try to remember to take a photo.

Just now, Compound2632 said:

 

Well no, it's regulated by the local authority as the licensing body. 

Yes, I know that. But they don't (or should not) regulate the number of taxis, just check that they and the driver are fit and proper.

17 minutes ago, Barry O said:

Not according to a HR lawyer I know...you are assuming that you can do anything you want..while I hate the idea that people can become legalistic to  "protect" their own views of how life should be runthere is always a counterargument saying I can do whatever I want and up the rest if you...

 

Baz

HR is different to restaurants, etc. It's a much more serious infringement on liberties to stop someone going to work because of what they wear. I am impressed too by some youngsters who have protested against the inherent sexism of rules about schoolwear.

I do wonder what the Speaker has against chinos.

21 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said:

 

Far from an over supply of taxis.

The supply of taxis is regulated by the "free market". It must therefore be perfect. 

16 minutes ago, melmerby said:

I'll just drop this here: "Exeter By-Pass"

People used to get out their folding chairs they were taking on holiday to points west and sit at the side of the road waiting for movement.

 

 

Exeter Bypass was indeed infamous in the 1950s and 1960s. So they closed many of the railways and spent fortune on a new Bypass (M5) and rebuilding the A30.

By way of a curiosity, there is actually an EP (45) song about it. My father played backing instrument on it.

1 hour ago, Headstock said:

 

That's the point, wearing a mask is for the benefit of others, not so much yourself. If you chose not to wear one without good reason, its basically saying sod everybody else, I don't care.

Official SNCF policy apparently (I am writing this while on a Paris-Limoges train).

Some years ago, SNCF bought a reservation system form a company specialising in booking systems for airlines. So it fills up one end of each carriage first, just great for social distancing.

I have ignored the seat on my reservation and found a much nicer location in the middle of the coach with 3+1 seating.

On 01/09/2021 at 19:27, bécasse said:

If the crossover is between two sidings (as you say) then it would be yo. The responsibility for safe working would lie with the shunter if there is one or otherwise the loco/train crew, speeds would be low anyway. The shunter would communicate with the loco/train crew using hand signals as comprehensively described in the Rule Book. If there was a train involved and there was no shunter then the guard would effectively take the role of the shunter, and if there was just a loco involved without a shunter the fireman/secondman would take that role. In some locations it would be necessary to come to understanding with the signalman as to the shunting to be undertaken (for example, if the shunting in progress would prevent the acceptance of an arriving train into a reception road) but in others that was unnecessary.

Thank you for confirming my thoughts - local lever and a telephone to keep in touch with the signalman.

Always a bit wary of taking an example from GW! But I had not thought of Wolverhampton. I will take a look.

Meanwhile, I have reformatted the sketch as a .pdf

Bradford F.S. Low Level.pdf

11 minutes ago, SM42 said:

We had the traditional chalk thrower. 

His aim was deadly accurate, but on one occasion he was not impressed when the inattentive pupil targeted,  without breaking his conversation  with his class mate,  deftly leant back as the chalk sailed across the room and the innocent at the desk behind caught it on the forehead. 

 

It was genius and pure comedy. 

 

Andy

We had a similar incident: Mr Bennett (science). The guy sitting behind the miscreant had his mouth open and swallowed the chalk.

I was at boarding school between 8 and 13. Very much the norm for us all to travel home alone and back by train for the various school holidays. Only problem that I recall is the school matron buying me a ticket to Hayes and Harlington rather than Hayes (Kent).

My first "big" railway adventure alone in 1970 aged 13, was London to Lannion (Brittany) via Paris with the Night Ferry.

Hopefully my rather crude diagram will post to make things a bit clearer.

Looking to model a mainline "might-have-been station, Midland Rly origins but circa 1960 (Bradford Forster Square LL).

There is an Up Main Platform and a Down Main Platform with two carriage sidings between. Halfway along the sidings there is a crossover, mainly so that the station pilot can run round.

What should control that crossover? The South Signal Box, The North Signal Box, or a local frame? If the latter, as I think, there is presumably some sort of release lever in one or both boxes.

And what about ground signals? Are they redundant if trains can be hand-signalled?

No luck so far in finding a suitable example on SRS.

Note: There is a road bridge with station building that would block any view from the South Box (RH side on plan).

PS: As I thought, it does not like the file format. I will try to save as something else and come back,

Thanks to everyone who has contributed. Certainly given me cause for thought in layout design.