Chris Higgs

There seems to be 'Non Woodhead' catenery & masts in the shots, looks Great Eastern stuff. Charlie

I think my caption on the collection makes that clear:

"Photos of MSW overhead electriciation at Broadbottom, and the similar equipement on the GE section at Stratford"

Do dmus count?

Certainly a characteristic part of the Manchester scene. But that's a Class 100, not a 104.

Chris

Yep, I remember making a trip up specially from Oxford to travel Picadilly - Sheffield (reversing in the remains of Victoria to get back into Midland) and back in what must have been 1980. Trans-Pennine unit both ways.

I dug out the photos of that day. Here you will find the most awful photo, buts it definitely a Peak, and definitely on Woodhead.

and here is some scenery

the view off DInting viaduct

and the Trans-Pennine unit - complete with Oxford University Railway Society headboard

Chris

I used to travel to Sheffield and back quite a lot during 1979/80, several times the Sunday journey was over the Woodhead, I remember being hauled by a 40 and also a Trans Pennine set, iirc I photographed a TP coming the other way, through the front of the one I was travelling on. The 40 journey was used to photograph the signal boxes

 

I must dig out my photos of the Woodhead and Guide Bridge one day ..

Yep, I remember making a trip up specially from Oxford to travel Picadilly - Sheffield (reversing in the remains of Victoria to get back into Midland) and back in what must have been 1980. Trans-Pennine unit both ways.

The trip was also memorable for long delays sitting in Crewe on the way back. Train was over 2 hours late by the time we reached Stafford, at which point the guard announced he had received a new running schedule, so we were now on time!

Chris

Not only narrower (with noticeably taller yellow and red bands on First and Catering vehicles) but the grey also ran straight into the black on the ends. On loco hauled stock there was a narrow band of blue with the usual round corners to the grey panel.

Yes, I see it now. And the "Inter-City" is printed higher up the body than on the Dapol loco hauled stock. Although I am not sure if that is an actual difference between the prorotypes.

The grey band is slightly narrower on the HST trailers,so a mixed train may look a bit odd.

Are we talking the prototype here, or how Dapol have implemented it, or both?

As I understand it, the Dapol Mk3s have the wrong kind of single roof vent for almost all loco hauleds Mk3s, which had three small vents (like on the HST power car), wherase they are appropriate for production HST coaches.

Chris

Next move is to get some Intercity 125 side transfers with the black interiors for 43003 and 004 and do a 1976 orginal set - no need for TGS !

Robert

Let me know if you find these transfers as this is also my intention. I am thinking that as when they came out the coaches were labelled Inter City (no 125) that I might purchase the loco hauled versions of the Mk3s and just remove the buffers and re-number - these are still on sale at Hattons for 9.00 each, quite a bargain.

Chris

It really is a mystery why the dummy doesn't suffer from the glue issue while the motored power car does and I'm wondering if Dapol know what the story is here and if anything can be done about it?

Power cars assembled by one man on production line, dummy cars by another. This is likely, given that you don't wnat to get confused between the numbering on the two cars, plus it's easier to just do one sequence of assembly items, rather than having to remember and switch between two.

One man doesn't know how to glue properly, other one does.

If it's done by machines, still likely to have been done by different machines. One set correctly, one not.

Chris

IMO it would be a brave man that fell for a 'definitive' model from Dapol before seeing it. Being a bit niave when it comes to Diesel locos, what are the faults with the Heljan model, anyone?

So far, Dapol have zero track record in producing a 4mm loco mechanism - unless you want to count the Pendolino which I expect they would rather forget. So the definitive model only looks that way so far.

Still, we could always put a Dapol body on a Heljan mechanism...

I am not 100% happy with my Heljan Westerns, but I did pick the up at under 50.00 each, and one of them was only 35.00. I don't think Dapol will get close to that. Plus their recent N gauge models have been produced in such tiny volumes that you struggled to get your hands on them.

I saw that part of the programme and the people they interviewed were all NIMBY's The girl tried to put the pro side over but they didn't want to listen. most of the track will be in cuttings and tunnels or sound boards to cut down on the noise...plus it's not going to be as wide as a motorway with a minimum of 8 lanes of road.

But it is worth pointing out that until the 'NIMBYs' started complaining, the route was at many points much more instrusive, and much less in cuttings and tunnels.

I have a high speed line near were I now live in Eastern Belgium, and I do hope that HS2 will be more intensively used than that. Although fun to travel on, that is very much a ghost line, with very few services - just one domestic Begian IC train per hour each way and even less true high speed Thalys - and you cannot believe it is paying back the money invested in it at all.

Chris Higgs

Who has a house a couple of miles from the line in North Oxfordshire, and who found it difficult to envisage exactly how high a viaduct they were proposing to build until more common sense views prevailed (or perhaps people who represent Buckingham/Oxfordshire constituencies got into power). You got the impression they were just trying to get one up on the likes of Brunel and build just about the most spectacular piece of civil engineering possible.

For an early welded underframe it is shown as 9'6.25" between posts on the drawing.

The riveted underframe shows 9'6" between upper cross members which allowing for the thickness of the steel angle section would result in around 9'6.25" for the riveted as well.

Well, I think that answers the question and thank you to all. I would therefore suppose this diemsnsion were also common across all the LNER angle truss underframes, such as those on the articulated stock.

One other related question which now occurs to me - was the distance between queenposts on a earlier truss-rod 51' underframe 10' as it was on the 60' underframe.

Chris Higgs

Hi Chris. I am going to the NRMs shortly to survey some items so could go and look at/measure the Gresleys they have if that's of any use?

36E

Thanks. I find that measuring the real thing is always the best choice, which is why I was annoyed with myself for passing up the chance when I had it. I have taken a lot of measurements off the Gresley rake on the SVR, but there is no access to the underframes when you are working with coaches stopped at a platform.

I am inclined to belive the 10' over the outside edges of the angles, given that the one official drawing I have (of the 51' underframe as found in the Harris books) seems to show 9'6" between the inside edges on that underframe - which is 10'1" overall given the angle steels are 3 1/2" each.

Chris

I am seeking information on the angle truss underframes fitted to LNER 61'6" coaches after 1931-4. Specifically I am trying to find out the distance between the two queen posts. On the earlier truss rod underframes, this is shown as 10 feet on the drawing by Mike Trice. However, examination of photographs suggests this was shorter once the underframes switched to angle trussing, and certainly the Hornby model has this much reduced to around 8'6" - not given the manifold inaccuracies in this model would I put much store in that.

A bit of geomtery also suggests that the V hangers must be located closer to the trussing than they were on the truss rod undrerframes.

Annoyingly, I examined in detail a Gresley full brake at Buckfastleigh which was in a position where the underframe was accessable, however I did not seem to have noted down dimensions of the trussing.

Chris Higgs

 

Where are they down at 60 quid??!!! Curious of Perth WA Peter C.

I got mine at www.amazon.co.uk and www.themodeller.com But they are not there at that price any more.