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Hi Both, Did you notice the reference to the Mine, on Silky's thread? J

Hi Both, Nice to see you here........ ....................... Before you pay vast amounts to your friendly local Vampire Dentist ....... I have also planned to use the same system for joining track at [mobile] Board joins and a long bridge. Sliding interlocking tongues for each end of a bridge and the same on both ends of a removable 6" section of track, bridging the Boards, where they join..... Milk Slope Connect Diagrams by JulianR 2013, on Flickr I may use 3 x 1cm interlocking lengths of Balsa, or small Ply tongues ....... On the other hand I might go back to flying r/c planes, it could be easier ............... J

Wow.... amazing ....... brilliant, Armin ........... Do you have a Caulk spreader to keep the thickness and width, the same along the route? J

Having looked at the Sandwich construction, it might be of interest to look at a couple of the ideas, I got from other modellers on Ballasting. ........ 1. First off the mark was the traditional [ with or without foam/cork, underlay ]:- apply glue around sleepers - scatter - wet - spray/pour thinned PVA etc ......... 2. Then there was the local Model Shop, who advised the quicker Gaugemaster Ballasted Underlay - glue or pin down? ........ 3. Shortly after that came Tracklay from a Poster on another Forum - stick track to it - pin/glue down - scatter Ballast onto the sticky, upper, surface - run glue along edges and camouflage with a little Ballast ........... 4. Imitation concrete/cobbles, with the track embedded in it - several materials suggested from Ply/Das/Plaster/foam etc ........... This is checking the track is in the right place and that the Droppers have matching holes........... Had a little help from some friends ........... DSCN2349 by JulianR 2013, on Flickr Are there any newer ideas, not represented here yet? ........... bearing in mind that weight is still a consideration ......... J

What about ways to do the scenics ................ I think an answer might lie in the soil ....... Maybe not so new .. but not often seen ....... J

Hi Armin, I have to agree with what you say here... From what I see, the main reason for the old bracing under the layout was to prevent warping. I certainly hope it is not to carry the weight of the trains, as that would be massive over-engineering ... As for other items on the layout, I see little that would [individually] need all that under bracing either. I have seen the odd operational crane / hoist / bridge which might call for a little spread to the load on the base, as with full-size items. The load spreading could easily be done with Balsa or very thin Ply. Other than that the tracks, trains and bits of scenic decoration would be perfectly happy on Corrugated card ply / foam. J

Thank you Armin, The thickness of the Corrugated Card would make a very stiff board. ……… so easy o shape too …….. I su[[ose some local reinforcement on pressure sensitive areas would be of assistance .. do you have any recommendations for that? J

Hi Jack00, Do you have any pictures, it sounds interesting …. [PS - sorry not to get back earlier, but am chasing round entertaining daughter on holiday.] J

When I started the Thread, I wanted to give an opportunity for modern techniques to be brought out for others to evaluate and use ……….. Foam, for instance, is very useful but is pretty dependant on the type of foam …….. How about an old item revisited …. card glued in layers ……. curves like this are very strong …….. Board joiners from Aluminium tube with Carbon Fibre rods through them ……... Light-weight surfaces from Balsa, which is made immensely strong by glueing Carbon Fibre Tow zig/zag across one side …….. Making strong edges to Balsa by running Cyano Acrilate down the edges …….. [care needed if hardening a surface - this process gets rather hot] There must be hundreds of new ideas and new ways to use familiar materials ……... I for one would be grateful to hear about them ……... J

Hi Artizen, Thank you for reading and I will look for your layout, should you be so kind as to post it. Lucky man to have a good builder's supplier like that too …… J

Oh dear, I fear a sailor is needed …………. Logic has clearly passed by with your question here ….. as it is very difficult to roll them any other way than from the bottom upwards ……. Sailors have to roll the trousers quite often, as scrubbing the decks is very important, so photographs should be easily available, to get the idea ……. it does raise a question in today's modern Navy ….. now ladies go to sea too ……... What do the WRENs roll up ……… when they are scrubbers cleaning the decks ……… Seven folds for the seven seas, hence why they don't have creases straight down the front and back, of the Bell Bottoms …… however that has no relevance to scrubbing the decks but is how the trousers were folded to get them into miserly locker space …… For your beach people with trousers rolled, why not cut the legs off, at the knees, on trousered people and glue on the legs you cut off the kids in the sea ……… It's important not to glue the trousered legs back onto the kids, in the sea, as that would look silly with bathers and trousers from the knee down ….. thought I had better mention that bit …………. J

Hi Artizen, What are you aiming at J

i don't think I said anything was "New" J

Thanks for the alternative to Ply sandwich idea Mickey ….. Kappa is indeed the Foam type I referred to, rather than the softer Expanded Polystyrene and is much better all round …. Kappa is indeed light and is rather rigid, as foam goes, which is good in itself. Two Ply/Balsa skin layers makes it almost as light … but strong enough to stand on …. which is quite sought after in many Blogg topics …….. it has little movement factor too ……. which matches the heavier designs used up until recently J

Spot on Mickey. although MDF replace by Extruded foam is very much lighter and very much as strong, which, I guess is the real point. There are many folks out there who have mobile layouts, for lots of very valid reasons - space at home - exhibitions - etc and a very light board, which is very rigid too could save a few Hernias ……. J

Not seen any other none - traditional ideas from you folks out there yet ………………. Did I forget to mention, that Sandwiches are what keeps a lot of aeroplanes up in the sky ………. not at all new then ……… how boring …… J

Hi Pete, I referred to an earlier project which was going to take longer than I wanted it too - to be revisited later ……. It is on 6' 8" x 2' 6" boards and they are joined in two ways, although I think that is Belt and Braces….. DSCN2287 by JulianR 2013, on Flickr The tongues are diagonal cuts across a length of Ply - so they match exactly when glued and screwed to each board …… DSCN2286 by JulianR 2013, on Flickr One board first - with the back edges lined up on a steel rule - then the other board pressing each tongue into its matching gap on the other board …….. The second part is to use the Mould-maker's Dowels on 40mm edging strips set into the foam and Ply ... DSCN2297 by JulianR 2013, on Flickr It is quite possible to do a short edging insert, can even be Balsa, as the Dowels take the wear …… and easier ……….. You have probably worked out that you can join more permanently by overlapping the ply and foam edges, by several inches ……. Scarfe joint ….….. very strong, if you don't want a portable layout, like the one in the photos ……… You have probably also worked out that there is an even greater advantage when making curved shaped boards …… no straight bracing beams …... What fun ………….. all that's needed is a Jig-saw ……… Legs??? ………….. Just tack to trestles with dabs of Cyano-acrilate ………… J

I'm sure I wouldn't want to fly with anyone stupid enough to want to take to the air with me at the controls ………. Pleased the platforms good …… boards might last, after all Must go, am being nagged to do holiday things …. and Mini D has already got First Class Honours in the WNC ………. J

Hi All, Artizen - the foam is pretty much as effective in 25 mm but rather better at 40mm. I have made a larger board at [i think 3' 6" x 4' 6", as I am on holiday] it will definitely work in larger sizes up to 8' x 4' whole sheet Ply [a mate made doors like that and claimed they would take 4 Tons of weight - I guess that is spread out - but very impressive on an 8' span!! .. ]. I have shown a picture of how the foam can be cut and laid loose before fixing, to check the fit of the rails. This one is small [4' x 8", for a windowsill ] but quite complex because of the rail curves. Cutting the shape in the lower Ply sheet is easy, by simply turning the foam over on the ply and drawing around it on the Ply ……. Jig-saw, job done …. Shunting Game Board 2 by JulianR 2013, on Flickr By the way, it works very much as well with Balsa "Bread", so you might skin your boards with very thin Balsa, for strength in the middle [and something more substantial to attach rails etc to]. You could include spaces under board for electrics, as well, by doing that ……. Planning is good news too, as the foam shapes can be included in the plan, as well as the rails. Pink is the Foam - Shunt Plan by JulianR 2013, on Flickr Not much chance with Ferries Radar on watch ……. Any Fossils on the dover shoreline ……… Have you still got sandwiches dt, or have they gone BR ……… J

It might be an idea to see under the scenery ……... Tennis by JulianR 2013, on Flickr Oops, wrong scenery ………. DSC_0040 by JulianR 2013, on Flickr More basic earlier pic here …. DSCN2366 by JulianR 2013, on Flickr J

I have chosen to bow to circumstances and set my first toy railway layout to one side, but not forgotten. It WILL have to change ‘though - but more of that another time. It seemed better to make a smaller layout, which could be very portable and brought into action quickly. As a result the “Sandwich, with Sides and Tea” was created - ‘though not yet completed - in line with other modelers' traditions ....... Not a very ambitious project but with the right size Sidings and Head Shunt - it makes for an entertaining Shunting Puzzle. Not my idea but inspired by the Inglenton, shown in the Aug 13 Hornby mag [75] and spotted at Melksham, Bentley, Train-west Exhibition a couple of years ago -web here - http://ingletonsidings.com/ and based on - http://www.wymann.info/ShuntingPuzzles/sw-inglenook.html DSC_0044 by JulianR 2013, on Flickr It is pretty obvious that the “Sandwich” is thin 3mm Ply for the bread and 40mm foam for the filling. The “Sides” comprise 3 Sidings and a Head Shunt. The “Tea” is simply the copious quantities which were consumed during contemplation and production. The layout is enough to provide satisfaction for many a mealtime - “For the 3rd time, dinner is on the table and if you don’t get in here within the next 30 seconds, it will be in the dog!!” Construction of the Board is relatively easy and it can be made in a variety of sizes and shapes. It is strong enough to stand on and a similar larger one [at 4’ x 3 ‘] deflected only C 1mm when stood on and supported at the ends. [Amazing risks some people will take for their children ……. ] It is clearly away from the traditional 16 Ton Tess, - 6’ x 4’ frame braced every 2ft by 2” x 1” topped with 12mm Ply, with reinforced 4” x 4” legs. Nothing really wrong with that and used for many years …… but "Stevenson", rather than "Airborne" Rocket science ………. Easy to stick with - "well it worked for my Dad and his before him" . On the other hand on quite a few Threads, people have stated their requirement for a lightweight Base-board, for a number of perfectly sensible reasons and looking for a new solution to their requirement - BUT - when the Sandwich was mentioned ............... “That looks a good idea ... but ..... “ …….. and out comes the 3' x 1" frame ……….. WHICH ........ got me to wondering how many other new ideas there have been in recent times .......... ……….. with the WOOSH factor ……….. J

Ho Both, It seems, that taking temperature to one side, for a moment ……… most of the accurate sized/better looking ones would generally be the larger ones ……. ??? ish How about considering the possibility of using the larger ones in the replication of the Goathland ……… modified where seen to be required [later maybe] ……… ……. and use the smaller ones in a different location in the background, to emphasise the distance/depth of the layout ……… Not entirely without reason, as many Regions used similar buildings built to sizes to suit any one particular location ……… J PS. It just occurred to me that - would size really matter - if you are a dedicated Rivet-Counter ………

I find temperature is sometimes an issue with size …….. ……. J

I knew there would be a positive attitude from that corner over there................... ......................... when the going gets tough ..... the tough get going ........... all the best with the changes ... J

Sympathy J