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    Gill Head: Kirkby Luneside's neighbour

    in Settle & Carlisle LAYOUTS

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    1 hour ago, Physicsman said:

     

    Hi Neil.

     

    Thanks for your continued interest in the thread. Having to destroy KL2 at the stage it was at was pretty disheartening, and I did wonder if I could ever be bothered to start again. But 2 years on and the desire to build has really got me going. First plans for GH were drawn up in May 19 and revised, revised, revised. In fact, still changing right now as real-world problems in the build force modifications.

     

    It keeps things interesting, even if the general plan remains the same.

     

    Am I mistaken, or are you one of my foreign "correspondents" from Australia? You'll probably tell me you actually live 5 miles down the road!

     

    If I can inspire you to build something, do it. My experience on here - contrary to what some say about RMweb - is that people are very helpful, whatever you build.

     

    Jeff

    Yes, I really am from Australia. While I did add a few comments, I am mainly a lurker...

    Kirkby Luneside

    in Settle & Carlisle LAYOUTS

    Posted

    I can't comment on how well this captures the 'vibe' of the fells, given that I live on the other side of the world and it's a bit difficult for me to go and see for myself.

     

    But having said that, if there are any discrepancies between the model and the real thing, someone needs to tweak reality to bring it up to scratch!

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    Kirkby Luneside

    in Settle & Carlisle LAYOUTS

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    The whole OO/EM thing has always fascinated me. While EM is nearly right (still almost a whole mm too narrow), I never thought it was worth all of the trouble over fine scale OO.

     

    However, here in Melbourne, our railways are the Irish gauge 5'3". Whenever I go to Sydney, the standard gauge 4' 8.5" track look really, really narrow. Curiously, the difference in gauge is in similar proportion to OO and EM.

     

    We have some mixed gauge track at Southern Cross station in Melbourne. The whole issue of pointwork is very interesting - they have special ones which move the standard gauge trains from one outside rail to the other. A bit difficult to explain without pictures. And not really a viable scheme to use while converting stock.

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    Kirkby Luneside

    in Settle & Carlisle LAYOUTS

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    ........ The support structure, which I assume is made of steel ........

     

    Hi Jeff, I have been lurking here for ages and finally feel I have something constructive to say.

     

    The support structure looks to be made of concrete, not steel. If the columns were steel, they would probably be tubular, not square. There are a few other features which suggest concrete rather than steel.

     

    There is an excellent thread on the building of a water tower for Black Country Blues here. Not the same as yours, but there may be some points of interest for you. Pay particular attention to the way the tank is supported by the frame. There is a latticework of steel beams that direct the loads from the tank to the ground. Page 1 of the BCB thread has a good picture of a prototype tank. The tank sits on lots of little beams sitting on a few bigger beams which sit in turn on the support structure. The uniformly distributed load under the tank is directed into a small number of point loads on the support structure. Unfortunately, the BCB tank has it the wrong way around - the big beams sitting on the little ones, but it is probably only insufferable pedants like me who notice such things....

     

    Keep up the good work, it's good to see someone actually doing something!

     

    Cheers, Neil

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    Waverley West, Princes St Gardens and Haymarket MPD

    in Layout topics

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    Hi Dave,

    I hope I did not come across as being too picky. The real problem is that I work in the window industry and notice such things. Normal people would neither notice or care.

     

    Also, I wasn't sure if it was a local feature - I can think of ways it could be done, but we don't do it over here in Australia.

     

    Cheers, Neil.

     

     

    Hi Neil,

     

    Thanks.

     

    You're quite right of course about drainage on the roof lights. The windows wouldn't drain in reality and the prototype isn't quite like that. They should be much more flush with the roof, but I wanted to make sure I used a thick enough roof material to prevent any sagging. I could have put the windows just beneath the corrugated cladding I guess, but that would have got complicated and I didn't think of it at the time.  :scratchhead:

     

    Fortunately, Waverley West is a utopia where it never rains and BR diesels of all shapes and colours reign supreme. :sungum:  

     

    Cheers

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    Waverley West, Princes St Gardens and Haymarket MPD

    in Layout topics

    Posted

    Hi Dave, great work. I too bought the magazine just to see the article.

     

    A quick question. The roof lights appear to be set below the face of the roof. How does the rain water drain from the face of the glass? I assume that it wont be a problem on the model, but is that how the prototype is built? It doesn't seem right to me...

     

    Cheers, Neil

    Kirkcaldy area

    in UK Prototype Discussions (not questions!)

    Posted

    Ian,

    I did a similar thing earlier in the year, though on a larger scale - I was there on a three week visit from Australia.  My interest in model railways was rekindled  after a heart attack. It's amazing how your view of the world changes when you are lying in a hospital bed. I had a great time exploring the railway and the lost industries of Kirkcaldy. (Some of the pictures can be seen earlier on this thread.) While Kirkcaldy has been the family home for at least three centuries, I only have vague memories of Industrial Kirkcaldy. I clearly remember not being too wee to see over the Bennochy Rd bridge, and I can still see Barry's factories in Forth Avenue.

     

    I too would love to build a Kirkcaldy themed layout. looking at the old 25" maps I was drawn to the area between Rosebery Tce and the junction to the harbour branch. The maps show lots of factories and sidings with what seem like impossibly small track radii. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find any pictures of that area and apart from Nairn's power station and the scrap yard in Den Rd, the buildings have all been knocked down.

     

    It's still early days yet, but I am going to have a go at adapting the track plan and make some buildings based on photos from the Canmore site.

     

    Cheers, Neil

    Kirkcaldy area

    in UK Prototype Discussions (not questions!)

    Posted

    Given that Kirkcaldy was the Linoleum Capital of the World, it's not surprising that all of the purpose built floorcloth wagons were based there. What is surprising is that there were only five of them!

     

    I can only suppose that the special wagons were for extra wide rolls. Normal width rolls must have been able to fit in standard open wagons.

    Kirkcaldy area

    in UK Prototype Discussions (not questions!)

    Posted

    Great photos. There is as much interest in the backgrounds as in the locos themselves. Nairn's factory in the 60519 photo looks nice and new (though a bit dirty next to the rails).

     

    Does anyone know what sort of wagon is used to transport lino? It must be awkward trying to poke a roll of lino in through the side doors of a van.

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