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5 minutes ago, Oldddudders said:

I think the categories relate to age-profile. I expect the majority of Big Steam folk to be older, and they assess the worth of the model and make whatever mental note may be needed, with in some cases budgetary provision. D&E modellers may tend to be younger, so there is lots of chat about this and that joy and those disappointments. Social media refers.

 

The 4/6 wheelers have an instant Marmite theme - being either a monstrous affront to Hattons or another Good Thing for the pre-Grouping eras. And the livery renditions are good for a few pages of debate. 

 

The two Southern vehicle threads are full of intrigue about what and where and when. The ghastly voiceover on the video for the catering vehicles is a disgrace. The script should have been written and rehearsed before the camera started rolling. If the researchers were as slapdash as this then Hornby would have sunk without trace ages ago - why not present the product in a professional fashion, too?  I am a customer for some of these, so watched the vid. I have not watched others, and hope they were better.

The others videos are pretty p*** poor TBH.  If I had been responsible for delivering a presentation on products that was unscripted, unpolished, uninformative, ill informed, and frankly amateur, full of dithering interruptions of the non word type, like the ones that have been provided from/on behalf of Hornby, then I would likely be looking for new employment.  Utter shocker. 

20 hours ago, SDJR7F88 said:

Had a go at renumbering a 3F and 4F into SDJR black earlier this year. The 4F has been number to No.61, based on a photograph leaving the works for delivery to the SDJR. The 3F has been numbered No.64. The reason behind this number was the fact the loco was brief put back into this livery for a special tour during BR days! So I can run it in both time periods. Both still need details and weathering, but very pleased with the pair (especially considering the pair cost me lest then £100)! 

Would love to see more more SDJR models in the range though

They all look very nice indeed, and with some judicial weathering, will look really good no doubt.  Have you considered including the piston rod cover mods for the 4/F, to add that extra level of accuracy to the Bachmann 4/F, a la brassmasters.co.uk effort?

 2021 Hornby Catalogue Cover Reveal.  Any educated guesses?  Reminiscent of Cuneo's rendition of Evening Star IMHO

3 hours ago, JaymzHatstand said:

 

This Indeed is very true, however, short of only producing them to order, there's not much that can be done to remedy that. If Hornby were to market them as a complete box set, there would be a lot of complaints I suspect, even if they did two sets which when brought together would make a complete take wouldn't solve it. I'm glad it's not me having to make the production decisions!

 

Cheers

 

J

Maybe this problem provides Hornby with a wonderful opportunity to run a 'Coronation Scot' Train Pack with an accompanying (or perhaps two) 'Coronation Scot' Coach Pack(s), perhaps? Or was the recent LNER 'Queen of Scots' Train Pack an unmitigated disaster due to the 'choice' of Loco, or perhaps its price?

Besides the long awaited 1532 0-4-4's, Bachmann ought really to announce some LMS Period 1 (and perhaps even MR livery) passenger stock to a similar quality and standard to the SECR birdcages, plus a Crimson Compound, in early 30's LMS livery.   I imagine these would all be widely appreciated

There is a mountain of literature available capturing A3/A4 tenders & their pairings to locomotives, which i am sure can be located and perused at leisure by those in the forum who are so inclined so as to determine which tender was paired to 60103 when the locomotive ran in early BR blue.

As an aside, and a few years back, Hornby produced for Marks & Spencer a Premier Boxed Set 'Flying Scotsman' containing a very nice BR blue version of 60103 'Flying Scotsman' and a trio of Gresley coaches. 

The tender was a streamlined non-corridor version, and this configuration would appear to be the same as the current R3627 offering.  I note the M&S tender has a tender number on the cab facing bulkhead which may (or may not)  mirror the actual early 1950's pairing to 60103, however, it would appear that the original tender wheels were the disc variety (certainly the earlier model was produced in this way as per the attached image), whereas Hornby's current rendering shows spoked wheels .... 

Still waiting for my pre-order for SR 207 to be acknowledged as processed / shipped. Guessing it's been a busy short week @ Kernow!

Anthony Ford's recent books on Pullmans are a great source of info as is the SEMG group / coupe news. Many would regard pullmans as a minefield, so I tend to restrict my interest somewhat - pre war QOS and bournemouth belle, and those that were loose and run with Southen stock. I'm just happy that Hornby has begun to produce these fine models for typical mid 1930s, and as they are so well detailed it's a shame that the research doesn't always extend to the names and numbering of the carriages, prototypically speaking.

I'm waiting for the earlier incarnation of the Pullman livery to be produced on these, with the 'white' band above the windows instead of the later umber. His may prove a bit of a wait, so my modelling skills may need to be resurrected.

Meantime, there is (was) the switching of tenders on the southern to research - another minefield, and many great sources of information and reference - all part of the interest that is this hobby - flat sided tenders for N15's (3500 gal, 4000 gal & 5000 gal), S15s and Nelsons anyone??

Do we know which cars the R3402 pack contains yet?  Or, indeed how many cars?  (Though I expect Hornby will opt for seven.)

 

If it represents a post war set then it could be a mixture of types rather than all-steel K-type cars.

 

Update - Just read this in another thread, courtesy of Graham_Muz: "It will be A4 class No. 4500 'Garganey' in LNER garter blue with all steel K Type Pullman cars Brake Third No. 77, Kitchen First 'Thelma' and Parlour First 'Shelia'.  Roofboards will be fitted to each car and a headboard will be included for the locomotive."

Hornby new K types are pre war - the non named carriages are all 'Third Class' rather than 'Car No', so based on the news from Graham_Muz from my post on the 2016 releases thread, the train pack Hornby intends to release represents carriages and loco from a pre-war operation, not post war. I could dwell on the choice of Garganey, but I suggest there is little point given this loco was renamed circa a year after its release to traffic.

So, it looks like we are short a 3rd kitchen car for a 7 car set. Ho hum.

In light of the 2016 release information, my interest has been again drawn to the R3402 LNER Queen of Scots trainpack. One hopes that the current release of the K type Pullmans and earlier releases of mid 1930's suitable A1 locomotives (the RHD A1 No.2569 'Gladiateur' from the R2598M concession trainpack 'Queen of Scots' and R2549 'Flying Fox' ) will result in a trainpack to allow an accurate and complete 7 car rake of QOS stock to be assembled. Hornby please note!

From my input on the Hornby Booklaw thread ...

"The pre-war ‘Queen of Scots’ was the only all-Pullman train to be formed entirely of all-steel cars, which (in 1932) the following were available:-

NILAR, BELINDA, THELMA, PHYLLIS (FK) 1st Kitchen cars --- Hornby's R4663 'LORAINE' needs renaming

SHEILA, AGATHA (FP) 1st Parlour cars --- Hornby R4664 'Agatha'

TC67, TC68, TC69, TC70, TC71, TC72 (TK) 3rd Kitchen cars ---- Hornby R4660 No.72

TC73, TC74, TC75, TC76 (TP) 3rd Parlour cars ---- Hornby R4661 No.73

TC77, TC78, TC79, TC80 (TBP) 3rd Brake Parlour cars ---- Hornby R4662 No.79

A 1932 ‘Queen of Scots’ formation (North bound) comprised LOCO, TBP, TK(ktr), TP, FP, FK(ktr), TK(kl), TBP (NB: ktr=Kitchen trailing, kl=Kitchen leading)

Note: the info is not my own research per se, but I seem to recall it was SEMG Pullman Coupe news"

My KGV (R3377 No.62-250) arrived safely, by courier, in warmer, sandier climes.  Stunning model, most impressed.  Now i need to wait for the DJ/Hattons KEII.....  or maybe i'll renumber / rename the 2016 R3410 of KHIII, if the DJ version of 6023 is truly of the "preserved version" 

You missed out there. Almost 10 years ago Hornby released an A1 "Flying Fox with a GN tender, all in superb LNER livery, a 60th birthday present.

A great runner too, though it spends most of its time on display in my show case, it is currently on duty on the layout. It looks the part with 8 Pullmans in tow!

 

Tod

Lets not forget the RHD A1 No.2569 'Gladiateur' in the R2598M concession trainpack 'Queen of Scots' of the same vintage (and quality) of R2549 'Flying Fox' ---- which is more than can be said about the triang pullmans in the set!   Fortunately, there are now some rather nice new 1930's K class pullmans available to make a correct QoS of that period (assuming, of course, you run it behinnd an A1)..

"The pre-war ‘Queen of Scots’ was the only all-Pullman train to be formed entirely of all-steel cars, which (in 1932) the following were available:-

NILAR, BELINDA, THELMA, PHYLLIS (FK) 1st Kitchen cars --- Hornby's R4663 'LORAINE' needs renamed)

SHEILA, AGATHA (FP) 1st Parlour cars --- Hornby R4664 'Agatha' 

TC67, TC68, TC69, TC70, TC71, TC72 (TK) 3rd Kitchen cars ---- Hornby R4660 No.72

TC73, TC74, TC75, TC76 (TP) 3rd Parlour cars ---- Hornby R4661 No.73

TC77, TC78, TC79, TC80 (TBP) 3rd Brake Parlour cars ---- Hornby R4662 No.79

A 1932 ‘Queen of Scots’ formation (North bound) comprised LOCO, TBP, TK(ktr), TP, FP, FK(ktr), TK(kl), TBP (NB: ktr=Kitchen trailing, kl=Kitchen leading)"

Note: the info is not my own research per se, but a crib, a long time back, from somewhere on tthe net and i cannot recall exactly where.  Apologies to the author's concerned...

Not modelling GWR /WR, but took the plunge with locomotion for KGV, and will likely do the same with Hattons for KEII, because, lets face it, the ongoing use and preservation of the real one's is what is really important.