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I'm not sure I follow what you'd like to see. Thompsons and Gresleys in teak, either simulated or real, were in LNER condition, not opposed to it. A few Thompsons still in ersatz teak did receive BR brandings, but their condition was still 'teak'. Many Gresley coaches during the War were painted plain brown, it being cheaper, I suppose, than lining and varnishing the teak. They stayed in that condition into the early-'50s, confusing some commentators with regard to B&W shots. One writer, in a model railway magazine, commenting on a 1951/'52 picture of a Kings Cross-Leeds express near Welwyn said that the leading Gresley vehicle was in BR maroon. In 1951! It was plain brown.
A friend (a BR employee) told me they got some stored stock to use in
an excursion, it was still teak in 1964 !!!
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It would seem that Darlington very much had it's own way of doing things. I've attached some further HM Lane photographs, which may be of interest for some. Note the red buffer stocks.
J39 1469 Neville Hill - 1937
B15 813 York - 1937 (Note red con rods)
Departmental B13 761 York
Q6 2220 York ex works
J24 1931 York - 1938
However, the Atlantics that retained apple green (C6 and C7) had the Doncaster black stocks, although were overhauled and repainted at Darlington.
Interesting stuff for the LNER modeller.
Just to confuse things further I have been told thet some of the contractor built J39s were delivered with red & white lining like some Sentinel shunters.....
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I'm happy to report that the dear old J27 and Q6 have found a new home, or will have come next weekend.
Apparently, the J27 as finished had a couple or so mistakes, principally the non-continuous handrail around the smokebox front for a superheated boiler; the way to tell is if the smokebox protrudes further forward, as in this one. I've thus made the extra piece for going round the front.
It was also a bit lacking in detail, hence the provision of the sand-operating gear (at least I think that's what it is).
The new owner is an LNER man, so the loco needed back-dating a bit - the replacement taller dome and removal of the BR brandings are indicative of this, though the buffer stocks have yet to be painted black.
The Q6 has just had its BR identity taken off, and a new footstep made to replace the one lost in the oblivion of time.
The new owner is a master at weathering, so how long my shabby efforts might last is a moot point, though patch-painting, the application of LNER brandings and further weathering would be the way forward to me.
I've now replaced the glazing in the J27 with Krystal Klear (the previous stuff had cracked). They are both products of their time; 20+ year old white-metal kits on scratch-built chassis (the original white-metal lumps having been melted down for ballast), devoid of some of the detail we take for granted on RTR models today. They run well, though, and will haul prodigious amounts. As 'layout' locos, in my opinion, they fit the bill entirely. And, it's as layout locos that they'll be used.
Darlington usually painted buffer bodies red ( a brighter red almost vermillion shade not like the BR shade ) side & connecting rods were often red too
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There was something on the "Midland" engines that LNWR men just did not like. It may have been the live steam injector but I have forgotten at this distance in time. On the other side of the coin, there was plenty the Midland footplate men and other railways did not like about the LNWR 0-8-0....It scared them!
My dad told me just after nationalisation some LMS men came to see how to improve the mineral workings, a Q6 passed them on a southbound coal working, full forward gear and wide open regulator (they worked a bonus scheme around here), This frightened the LMS men who thought the driver had gone mad, saying he would break the engine, They left shaking their heads. I remember seeing coal workings in the 60s they did not hang about......
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I would like to see some North Eastern locos, I am sure they would be popular, long lasting (9/67), reasonably well travelled, The last pre-grouping locos on BR and some still preserved. my list would contain A8, B16, D20, G5, J21 or 27, Q6 or 7 none have ever been available RTR before in fact the only NER loco was the Mainline/ Bachmann J72 which is a little dated now.....I could go on but enough for now.....
Owen Lancaster
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Use Solvite no problem
There was a Black 5 wallpapered for a TV advert in the 60s...
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Sadly I'm tied up today and tomorrow, so I wont be there until Sunday to operate.
Hopefully my pacifics will perform well...take care of them guys!
Soory I pressed the wrong button, is there any way to undo a comment ? I meant to say I am sure they will and enjoy Sunday....Owen
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Used to be able to buy it in (slightly more) bulk sizes from DIY stores, used to lay in a tray at the bottom of house windows to supposedly catch the condensation off the glass. No I have decent double glazed windows, I've had no need to look for it, but it may still be around.
Stewart
Silica Gel, a lot of suppliers on Google.....
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That looks to me to confirm what I thought, Tom, which is that the arc of the cab roof is too high and makes the whole thing look higher than it ought to be. Can you bring it next time we're up there?
One thing this last few weeks has been is very good for my half-started projects drawer. You know the kind of thing, the half built oddments you pick up at shows or from friends. This one has been in there for a number of years, so long I can't even remember how I came by it. Anyway, it only took an hour and a half or so yesterday and it's rolling into the paintshop.
I'm not sure if it's D & S or 51L - perhaps Mr Scott will comment if he passes - but all it really needed was undergubbins, some missing brake shoes and levers and a roof. The other one which I seem to have acquired with it needed a lot more work and so stays in the drawer.
I have fitted in some odd jobs as well this week - wagons weathered for Ormesby, a V3 repaired where the plastic axle muff had split - and this, which came back for some chips and scrapes to be repaired and some errant Modelmaster lining which had flaked off to be put back. I've done one side and as you see there is a small length left to reinstate here.
One other job which needed doing was to mark up all my goods stock. With a number of us taking stock it's easy to miss or overlook items but a simple mark removes any confusion - I know 4479 and I have a few of the same D & S GN vehicles, for example - and also allows anyone not familiar with the stock to know whose is whose, which helps when we come to pack it up.
Pretty sure the van is D&S Johnathan....:0)
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Just a few little jobs to do now, paint the wires black/hide them, add a bit of coal to the bunker (tank top left hand side) a bit of weathering and fit couplings.
That is absolutely amazing, superb paint job and details, well done.
Looking good a nice job, the red cab interior looks good. When we were restoring the Q6 & J27 at Thornaby we found both were red inside, The best match was tile red floor paint. I have used American dark box car red on my models to good effect. Keep up the good work, hope to meet up at some show soon....:0)
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I was wondering about the cab interior colours on black engines, I was always told/led to believe it was Indian red/ red oxide in LNER days.Changing to buff/cream in BR days ( like LMS) Also I have been told the buffer beams were originally a bright vermilion red changing to the darker cherry/pillar box red (LMS colours) in BR days.This was confirmed by a lot of old enginemen, sadly long gone. Was this just a Darlington practice, never seen an official reference to it ??About time I updated, I think. I'm almost there but I am getting coach fatigue, so I think these need to be left aside for a few days so I can go over them with fresh eyes and see the little finishing touches. They're basically ready for the travelling public who will be added as soon as I locate the motivation.
This needs lining where I added a piece of beading in place of the ducket. This diagram had no ducket.
I still have one set of tables to fit to the RTO.
TK still needs the corridor handrails and 'Smoking' labels - orders should go off this week for the necessary materials.
The Klear has darkened the teaking nicely and I'm pleased with the shade it's taken on.
We will be needing things other than A4s to pull stock and so a few locos are having a quick tidy and makeover so as to be ready and appropriate.
J39 renumbered to 1273 of Lincoln and Q2 to 3416, one of the last two in traffic. Both these will have tyres and coupling rods darkened for the show.
C1 4412, built by the late Phil Giffen from the WSM kit. We can't really have too many C1s.
J39 2696 of Colwick and A2 2403. The A2 will just have a quick tidy - there isn't time for the full repaint and line she really needs. She will also run with the Gresley tender which she did tow for the last 18 months or so.
B16 will become 925. The paint of this one is too far gone and a strip and repaint is imminent.
O4 now 5001, renumbered from 63601. There's some more detail to take off this: on the LNER forum, Mick Bennett produced a handy list of changes required for LNER condition on his thread. We can't have enough O4s either and I will be taking 3. There is also a J3 which is currently in paint stripper and another C1 which will come along if I get the new motor/gearbox fitted in time.
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A photo for John of a loco that I know he wants to model for Lime street as it fits right in with the period.
http://railphotoprints.zenfolio.com/p174461547/h2f0127af#h2f0127af
Princess Louise, I sold my handbuilt one recently......
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Quite a while ago, I saw a thread on here about detailing Hornby's Black Five, which included a note from Larry (Coachmann) that pointed out that the Hornby Stanier tender had a shelf on it that stands out like a sore thumb. Now I must confess that I had never noticed it before then but afterwards, it's impossible to miss. Anyway, I was chatting to Tim at Doncaster and he showed me how to remove the shelf and still keep the structural integrity of the tender with strips of Plastikard on either side. I've been putting this off ever since as the thought of hacking up an RTR model is a bit scary (also, the alterations to the area under the smokebox, which I've still not plucked up the courage to do, yet) but after chatting with Tim yesterday, thought I'd have a go.
I'll not go into how I did it as I believe that Tim may have something for publication on the subject in the near future and anyway, he explains it much better than I can (and he does a better job of it too) but of the four Stanier tenders I have, I've so far done two and I have to say that it is simple to do. As in REALLY easy.
First, a shot of one that hasn't been modified yet. You can see the shelf at the top of the frames, under the tender body.
Next, one of the modified ones, with no shelf remaining but the tender body actually seeming to be better located on the frames than the unmodified one (which flexes)
The two, side by side.
And yes, I know that these need to be weathered properly
Well worth the effort, what a difference ...:0)
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Bit of a different (and some may say boring) update now. In between other tasks, I've been getting on with building a few Parkside wagons and the two below are now pretty much done. The 21 tonner has been weathered sparingly, with the tube wagon I have tried to give the impression that the ironwork is slowly rusting away.
I am very impressed by you standard of weathering. nice and subtle. well done...... Owen
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The Lanky couldnt design a neat looking loco (or carriage) if they tried apart from the beautifully proportioned 'A' Class 3F 0-6-0. Nonetheless, thank goodness the 0-8-0's went early otherwise I would have bitten LNER4479's hand off! I saw one of the 8-wheel tenders at one shed but I'm blowed if I can remember which one.
ABS made a ex L&Y 8 wheel tender as a sludge carrier in 4mm
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Sadly I wasnt modelling Railways in that period and missed them .
The Q5 and J77 look good, sadly I have never seen either for sale in recent years.
You can get other kits these days, Arthur Kimber produces both and I believe Dave Alexander will be making them as well.....
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The ex NER Loco Coal Wagon Dia. Q1 Loco Coal Wagon was the very first kit I did, and that was because, in NER days, it was painted blue. The next one was the NER Dia. C11 Salt Wagon and that was done because it was, again in NER days, painted Indian Red. No logic there, then. Owen Lancaster, Class O of this parish, made the masters for these two kits, and those for the ex NER Perishable Van and two plank Dropsided Wagon, along with many more. I think that in all we - Owen and I - put together a range of 40 or thereabouts, wagon and van kits covering not only the NER but CR, GSWR, LSWR, LYR, MR, NBR. Happy days!
They all now vest between David Geen, who has expanded the range, and Andrew at Wizard/51L Models. Owen also produced the masters for the original GWR Wagons kitss, again now in David Geen's range. We must also not forget Owen's superb kits of the LNER J77 and Q5 locos.
Thank you kind sir ;0)
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No disrespect, Paul, but neither yours nor mine will ever look as good as this one:
No reason why ,its only one of my kits that I gave to Tom. a lovely paint job though. You are both more than capable....
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Weren't all black locos lined red, officially, until 1928?
No modelling this weekend as were were on the road with Thurston. Lots and lots of road in my particular case. We had a cracking weekend in Folkestone: excellent show, tropical weather, good food, plenty of intelligent and enthusiastic comment from the public and clear roads home. If they had more than one lift it would be an outstanding venue.
I did get the chance to snap some stuff on the Sunday morning. Although the layout ran better, we did have problems with rail and wheel dirt which might well have been a hangover from Butterley. The photographs are mainly the newer stock and engines.
The not-quite-weathered L1 in service:
along with the MJT Gresley third I built at Christmas.
This is fellow club member Steve Williams' L1, also part weathered, on the same turn later in the day.
Steve is also the owner of the Ivatt 2 which featured in this thread last year. We had the loan of a KPC controller specifically for shunting and it made a huge difference.
The J19 ran much better than before - looks as if the twisted body was the key - although it did go back to this curious speed up/slow down behaviour when the wheels got very dirty on Sunday morning.
Most of the new wagons ended up in this train as well; the Conflat and 'A' type
the ex-PO wagons
and, yes, the tractors.
There's always someone who has to spoil it, though, isn't there? I don't even know how he came to be with us, but there he was, hiding round corners and jumping out to scare the trucks.
When the Fat Controller found out, he was put on a truck and packed off to a finishing school in Switzerland to learn how to behave. And all the funny shaped foreign vans laughed at him.
The stock seems to be getting better and better.....
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That is for goods engines? I believe from memory. Passenger locos were lined till about 1940.
The first B16/2s were lined in red even though the RCTS books say they were plain black, I have got a photograph (Ransome-Wallis) that clearly shows this. Also some contractor built J39s were lined in red & white when delivered....
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Never heard of Black Rods seems a bit pointless as they would have been filthy in a very short time anyway.
Nothing mentioned re either Red or Black in RCTS that I could find.
My dad and grandfather were both employed by the NER,LNER and BR, 1901 till 1967 so i have heard a lot of first hand accounts and knew a lot of enginemen. The RCTS books though good are full of mistakes/ omissions.....
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* an old Starbeck driver*
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Nice model is it a N8 ?
I may have asked this before ? Red coupling rods ?? should it have Red lining ? ( I can fully understand if you have ignored doing the lining !!)
Alot of locos had red rods , lined or not even some K3s, Darlington had a period of painting siderods black I was told by Gerry Pierson an pod Starbeck driver when I was talking to him at a NERA meeting in the 80s.....
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I didn't know about that. As far as I recall there are no identifying marks on the brass parts anywhere - might there be?
If it is a scratchbuild it's very good, so there is the possibility it's based on etched parts.
They were built by a few master craftsmen, Frank Coulton being one of them....
Wright writes.....
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Did the "paddlebox" start life as a Nu-Cast kit ?, as I made the patterns for that one.....