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14 minutes ago, adb968008 said:

Do you where the Bolton lines were heading ? I’m guessing Blackpool from WYorks somewhere ?

York/Leeds - Blackpool I expect, but in theory they should have gone via Bradford Interchange. My recollection of exactly which services went which way is waining a bit after all these years !

1 hour ago, adb968008 said:

 

I saw all the wypte ones, on the left side of the penines.

 

Preston, Bolton, Salford, Victoria..

Yes, they were mostly diagrammed on York - Manchester (and beyond) services via the Calder Valley, they weren't confined to West Yorkshire but they did tend to stick to the core route. For quite a while WYPTE kept tabs and got shirty if they wondered off up towards Scarborough (for example) or Leeds-  Sheffield despite York and Leeds crews having traction knowledge. 

Later on they could go anywhere and these days they're all based at Hull !

WYPTE also paid for the 144 centre cars but had less say in where they went as their bit had to go where the 2/3 they didn't own went. 

5 hours ago, papagolfjuliet said:

without both 45T cranes available the NYMR has had to spend a fortune hiring in a Volker Rail Kirov crane when replacing Bridge 30 and the Goathland bridges.

I thought they got the Kirow either for free or at a greatly reduced rate - because NYMR is a charity Volker Rail could write it off as corporate social responsibility. There was something about them sharing a trustee/director too. 

Likewise the last Moorsline I read before my membership expired described 'borrowing' a brand new tamper to do the carriage stable, the donor treating it as a training exercise. Which is why the Long Siding from Pickering is apparently technically fit for 100mph running. 

155s - although the RRNE Random Unit Generator* couid have its moments, the 155s were paid for by WYPTE so in the early days rarely worked off their core Calder Valley route unless the train plan had gone completely to hell.

156s - ER policy was that 2nd Gen units were not route cleared unless there was a need to route clear them, so these were quite restricted at first too. They were not cleared between Barnsley and Huddersfield for example, because those were 14x diagrams. Until Traffic Manager Hanton nicked one off a TP service one day to mitigate two consecutive 142 failures, and it rolled up at Penistone. After a brief conversation with Control (who had no idea it was there, Mr Hanton working on the 'forgiveness rather than permission' basis) the driver was instructed to continue to Barnsley, enter Silkstone Common  platform at dead slow and report any impacts. After which they were deemed route cleared :-)

*(Completely outclassed by the later Northern Random Unit Generator which ensure that my commute from 2004 onwards was rarely the same type on two consecutive days).

1 hour ago, The Johnster said:

*As the old rhyme would have it, 'the guard is the man/who rides in the van/the van's at the back of the train/The driver, in front, thinks the guard is a (something that rhymes)/and the guard thinks the driver's the same....'.

I learnt this on my Block Signalling course at Donny in 1987! Admittedly there were three redundant freight guards on the course so we obviously got a completely unbiased explanation of the then new DOO arrangements. 

Sometime afterwards we were walking to lunch  along the corridor in The Plant when we overheard rhythmic chanting from the Boil in the Bag Driver's course next door, obviously learning some rule or other by rote. 

"Listen boys, they're learning their DOO Times Table" 

"What's that ?"

"One DOO is £4.12, two DOOs are £8.24..."

Thread drift, sorry :-)

The comments section of any online newspaper is a good example of why the H&S stuff is needed. A significant number of people really are that stupid. 

1 hour ago, phil-b259 said:

 

Even if Hornby do include what amounts to a 'blanking plate' with a lamp iron on it, because it has to be robust and easy enough to remove it will not be a tight and close fit with the surrounding surfaces.

It'll be fine, just wipe a bit of filler over them while you're filling in all the ejector pin marks on the front frames. 

Snippets from  RRNE -

Newcastle - Manchester and beyond services (what became Transpennine Express TOC  in 2003 although that branding was in use long before that) were either single 3 car 158s (the Heaton 1588xx series)  or 2x2 car 158s. One of the latter notoriously split on the ECML at Thirsk after the EBS was raised to clear an electrical fault and the front set sailed off merrily into the distance. Mercifully no-one fell out of the open gangways. 

Leeds-Settle-Carlisle services were 2x156s from around 1991, the platforms on the S&C were extended with the bizarre 'ski-jump' extentions to get them up to 94m to fit. After 1994 the second 156 was frequently a 142 much to the disgust of user groups. 

141s were only compatible within class and largely confined to Leeds-Harrogate-York  until around 1990 when they were re-worked by Barclays to replace the Tightlock couplers with BSIs, after which they could go anywhere. 

By 1987 Sheffield - Barnsley -Leeds/Huddersfield services were nearly all 101 or 110 power twins. If you saw a 4 car it was because the front one had failed and was being shoved by the following service. Only the110s could keep time reliably between Barnsley and Huddersfield but that didn't stop 101s appearing. From May 1988 there were progressivey replaced with 142/144s on the Huddersfields and 156s on the Leeds services

1 hour ago, Wickham Green too said:

... they operate it.

Their records will include a copy of the global station lease setting out their repair and mantenance responsibilities (which is essentially cleaning, and fixing things they're directly responsible for like ticket machines, the CCTV system, PA, and anything plugged in in the staff accommodation), an asbestos register, various inspection records and a sheaf of risk assessments.

It certainly won't include anything held by the previous operator unless it's Franchise Information as defined earlier. 

Everything else including the paperwork for most of the retail outlet leases, maintenance of the lifts, fire alarm system, fabric of the building and stopping the roof leaking is held by  Network Rail as thats all their responsibility as landlord to repair. The fact that getting them to fix any of that is likely getting blood out of a stone  has driven succeeding generations of TOC property managers grey over the years. 

Don't assume that a station lease is anything like a normal commercial FRI lease. 

Presumably the IP rights of the Big Four passed to the Railway Executive on privatisation, thence to BTC/BRB/DfT. DfT owns DOHL and therefore already owned the rights to the LNER name. 

Certain information held by TOCs and required for a seamless change of ownership is defined as Franchise Information and must be handed over to the successor TOC on a change of franchisee. This generally includes personnel records, payroll records, station and other property repair and maintenance records, copies of the station and depot Global Lease agreements and the lease plans associated with those. Similarly the rolling stock repair and maintenance records will also transfer. Other than that I doubt the current LNER holds much from NXEC days never mind before, unless it's stuff they didn't chuck out when they moved out of York Main HQ. 

I meant the majority of brown vans were bog standard VANFITs, so only the PARTOs, SHOCKVANs, PALVANs, MOGOs, MEAT, FRUIT, FISH and others which were oddities needed to be identified to stop yard staff routinely nicking them to load potatoes or anything else which didn't need a specialist vehicle.  Anything else brown, van shaped and unbranded - the vast majority -  was a VANFIT by default. 

In the same way that no-one initially considered it necessary to paint MIN 16 on the hundreds of thousands of steel  16 tonners because if it didn't say IRON ORE TIPPLER on it what else would it be ? 

7 hours ago, The Stationmaster said:

I've missed a lot of the preceding pages

You didn't miss much, we'd already done most of it in the first two dozen pages. Some of it twice. 

I suspect the reason for VANFIT not appearing on wagons at first (or at least not very often) is because they were in the majority so branding was only necessary to identify brown vans which weren't VANFITs. 

10 hours ago, br2975 said:

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A few contradictions from my files.....

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I presume they couldn't find the PARTOSHOCKVANFIT stencil. 

"We are fascinated by LNER's history..."

but not very good at it. 

https://eprints.hrwallingford.com/1289/

46 minutes ago, nightstar.train said:

 

And yes maybe trains should have seatbelts, and maybe preserved lines should have CDL. But that's not what's under discussion here. There are no regulations requiring either currently. There ARE regulations requiring WCRC to have CDL fitted to run their trains, which they are refusing to do. That is the start and end of it.

This. 

I posted earlier that this is not about whether or not CDL is a good idea, or seatbelts, or Mk1 crash worthiness, or speed limits or any of the other irrelevant noise. 

This is about whether the Statutory Regulator has the authority to regulate that which it is statutorily appointed to regulate, without having to accommodate anyone who thinks they should  be exempt because their mate is an MP. 

All three pipes are visible in the video at the top of page 2. 

The average radius at the bottom of that embankment is about 40 - 50 feet, more than do-able with post and wire following the boundary line at 6 foot intervals or more, with the odd bracing post at right angles. 

Do it as post and rail if it worries you. 

On 02/04/2024 at 14:13, Andy Keane said:

PS - does anyone know what the solid line with dots on labelled CF means?

'Croft' apparently. No, me neither. (There's a glossary on the NLS site). 

With regard to ramps and slopes to/from bridges etc, where it would be awkward to fence them the boundary could be marked by cast iron boundary posts with the continuous railway fence running inside the boundary. There used to be some on an accommodation crossing near Appleby (S&C) where the railway owned the ramp up from the field to the crossing, but the fence line continued parallel to the track and the ramp was for all intents and purposes part of the adjoining field and grazed with it. They were iron 'MR' posts (bullhead rail with the ends forged flat) at the four corners of the ramp and the sort of thing which would do seriously expensive damage to a modern plough which I suspect is why there aren't many left. 

I think the gist of m'learned friend's answer was "It depends". It would help if they put the seive sizes on the description. 

In the meantime "Small samples available upon request."

Tim Farron isn't exactly a stranger to   WCRC:

https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2018/06/train-services-return-to-the-lake-district-thanks-to-tim-farron-and-west-coast-railways.html

Fairly sure i never saw Her Maj open her own door. 

The Port Road from Dumfries to Stranraer (coincidence?) was signalled as Michael describes. When the intermediate boxes were open trains used the left hand side of the loop, but  when long section working was in use they all used one side with signals for both directions pulled off. There were no bracket signals though, the same signal arm served for both sides of the loop in the 'wrong' direction, the driver being expected to know which side they would be using by which tablet was held. 

The loops were originally laid out to give trains going uphill the straight road, during the war most (all ?) of the loops were lengthened and long 'Y" points laid to allow higher speed running in both directions. 

2 hours ago, black and decker boy said:

Much talk elsewhere that Mr Smith has suggested (in Trackside mag) he may run free trains between FTW and Mallaig 

 

it will be a huge gamble to prod the regulator in such a way and I’d imagine either won’t get a Right Away from NR or will have an ORR inspector with a Prohibition Notice pad waiting for it at the first station stop. The RSR99 guidance published by ORR makes clear the only exemption from ‘fare paying’ is for those in a train support capacity.

That sounds like an excellent way of getting his entire operating licence suspended. 

Lettering - I have seen (although I have no idea where now ) a home made stamp used for this, made from suitably sized Slaters lettering glued to a backing piece and used with white ink/paint much like potato printing. Not tried it yet although there is now a sizeable pile of Tunnocks Wafer wrappers in the 'to do' pile. 

Just remember to glue the letters on upside down.