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Well, after using Hattons off and on for forty years (through my father in the early days) I just received what looks like my final order. I am sad that they are going out of business, as it means getting stuff shipped to me will be more expensive, but I understand that nothing lasts forever. I wish everyone there all the best in their future endeavors.

On 14/06/2023 at 07:20, VIA185 said:

Rebuilt and modernised Budd RDCs on at Sudbury on trains 185/186 to White River, the last main line RDC operation in North America. At least one of the four rebuilt cars has been torn apart to determine whether or not the 70 year-old stainless steel vehicles are structurally safe. It's not clear if they passed the test or, if not, how they might be replaced although for the time being it appears that three cars may be running together, with passengers only being carried in the middle car. One of the vehicles is a baggage-only car anyway. CJL)

 

All of the stainless steel cars tested passed. Sad that they destroyed several of them to discover that.

If anyone is interested I found a works list in the book 'Power for the world's railways: GEC Traction and its predecessors - 1823 to the present day'. It can be purchased for cheap off ebay.

3 hours ago, SP Steve said:

The following links may be of help as they carry details for both steam, diesel and electric locos manufactured at Vulcan Foundry, although in the case of the latter two types the cutoff date is 1962.

 

https://enuii.org/vulcan_foundry/diesel_and_electric_locomotive_list.htm

 

https://enuii.org/vulcan_foundry/locomotive_list.htm

 

https://enuii.org/vulcan_foundry/photographs/pictorial_loco_list.htm

 

https://enuii.org/vulcan_foundry/photographs/pictorial_diesel_loco_list.htm

 

 

Thank you. I have already seen that and it is from 1962 onwards that I am looking for, when the Vulcan Foundry numbers would have been prefixed by a D or an E, which actually started before 1962 but carried on well past that date. It does seem that the lowest D number was D46, which corresponds to Drewry 2217 (LNER DS1173), and digging through the records shows all diesels before that to have regular VF series numbers.

18 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said:

Just wondering if you're after locomotives or EVERYTHING ...... EE had lots of fingers in lots of pies ( some were actually electric ) !

Sorry, just locomotives. I will change the initial post to reflect that.

Just wondering if anyone here has a full copy of the works list, with works numbers, for locomotives built by English Electric?

On 02/04/2023 at 08:20, pete_mcfarlane said:

The dimensioned BR Diagrams are in the Brian Haresnape BR fleet survey book on electric locos. The Barrowmore group also have them online: http://www.barrowmoremrg.co.uk/BRBDocuments/Locos/Book_ELO_274_JP_web.pdf

 

Both types are the same length, the difference is that the cab door is further back on a production loco to allow for the cab side windows.  The drawings show the window side of the body, the window/grille differences are on the boiler side - the production locos have more/bigger grilles, so presumably there were cooling problems on the first loco. 

 

Tommy was also a couple of tons heavier than a production 76 with a boiler. I learn something new every day. 

I am the one that provided that book to Barrowmore so if anyone needs a larger scan let me know. I am so glad I grabbed those books when I did as my ex wife junked the rest of my diagrams, BR, Canadian, Turkish. ☹️

On 10/01/2023 at 08:14, Dominion said:

Thanks Stephen. There were 3 Other Budd cars between the one with the blinds down at the front and the manor at the back on his train. The whole lot including it’s loco was coupled to the back of the Montreal section with no Budd cars and they were due to split further East. 

J-trains split in Brockville.

On 05/12/2022 at 22:45, mdvle said:

Blog post with the text of the report regarding the issues with the Budd fleet

 

https://tracksidetreasure.blogspot.com/2022/11/the-report-that-hatched-buffer-cars.html

 

Living next to the Kingston Sub I have seen quite an mix of Budd cars on the end of the corridor trains, unless I am trackside with a camera in which case it is all LRC cars. This may work for now but if they need to run buffer cars into the summer it may become interesting as they will need the sleepers etc for the Canadian. I am actually surprised that they don't put an LRC car on the end of the HEP trains.

My father sent me this, he has the card in his collection, as I recently got a model of 10100. Thought it was interesting to look at.

Several Budd cars, including a 'Park' were recently sighted at CAD in Lachine, apparently for the interiors to be removed, before heading to the NAC in Ottawa for testing.

The other news I have heard is that the Canadian Government is going to take away the HFR and award it to a private company, both for construction and operation.

3 hours ago, St Enodoc said:

Not if you are an overseas customer. The minimum shipping charge is grossly disproportionate.

No kidding, looked at ordering something and when the shipping came up it was about 10x the price of the item!

18 hours ago, The Johnster said:

There is another option of course, via Mexboro and Sheffield.  Assuming the diversion to the up Caledonian retains the intention of terminating at Euston, one would then proceed via Derby to BNS, where electric traction can be restored as the train reversed. 
 

Although I can’t see what circumstances would need the train to be routed via the ECML.  There are diversionary routes nearly all the way along the WCML for it’s entire length; G&SW, Settle & Carlisle/Todmorden, North Staffs, Stafford/BNS/Rugby.

No need for reversal at BNS, just take the train down the Camp Hill line and around the Lifford Curve then up through Five Ways. It's been done before.

21 minutes ago, Tony_S said:

 

I suggest you send an email using the form on their webpage. I enquired where mine was and they needed to confirm which version I wanted, This was now out of stock in the UK and has been dispatched from Canada. Well when I say despatched Canada Post tracking state the sender had printed a label. KR did respond very quickly and reassured me about what would happen if Royal Mail tried to charge me VAT on the import. The label was printed last Wednesday but no further progress since then according to tracking. I have waited a few years for this model so I shall continue to be patient. 
Tony

Canada Post can be strange when it comes to tracking, even through you have a tracking number it doesn't actually track.

On 12/10/2022 at 12:55, eldomtom2 said:

A commuter rail station in Canada was recently renamed as part of a promotional deal after a college 11 km away from the station, which is certainly in the same spirit.

That would be Durham College Oshawa, the college being on the other side of the city from the station. However this is only a temporary renaming and I believe is supposed to revert to Oshawa in ten years.

When I worked in Calgary there was talk of renaming the C-Train stations after corporate sponsors. It seemed to be a serious attempt to generate extra revenue but went no where in the end. The funniest was Victoria Park Station which was suggested to become Victoria's Secret Park Station.

Not to hijack this thread, but what about named passenger cars? While common in North America, and on Pullman cars, was there anywhere else that named passenger cars?

There were also two Turkish 2-10-0's that were named, T56201 and T56202 which were 'Karakurt' ('Blackwolf') and 'Bazkurt' ('Graywolf') respectively.

I know there are locomotives in Canada and the United States that are named, both freight and passenger. The Kowloon Canton Railway in Hong Kong named its early diesels while the Mass Transit Railway had two diesel locomotives named but that did not last long.

14 minutes ago, Ian J. said:

Silly thought: could two models be 'split' down the middle, and the resultant four halves mixed correctly to produce two 'accurate' Fells for different time periods?

Funny as I wondered the same thing, but personally I would not want to risk messing up one model, let alone two!

Looking at this photo I would say that the Olivia's version maybe correct, it seems that the shading is lighter above the grey, immediately above the windows, while the center roof is green (looks like the lining goes over the roof just behind the nearest cab door).

I do admit I like the way you painted it however.

Have you looked at the version offered by Heljan? The photos of it show a grey band above the windows while the top of the cab roof is green.

13 hours ago, Nova Scotian said:

I was in Saint John, New Brunswick. 

 

New Brunswick Southern Railway have a relatively interesting mix nowadays - the eastside yard (where CN arrive), operations to both refinery and the three yards west, plus the port. Some "switchers", the GP38-2s and GP38-3s which I usually see working with slugs, the SD40s I typically saw leaving the west side (Lancaster) heading off to McAdam. Now with the run-through agreement with CP, and their lease of SD70M-2s, there are some pretty large locos making their way through.

 

Most are in their livery, but a handful of GMTX lease, including what I think is an SW1500 etc.

I was lucky enough to see NBSR SD70M-2 6401 heading east on CP's Belleville Sub while on delivery.

I guess it may only be a matter of time before either CP or CN absorb the NBSR.

22 hours ago, Nova Scotian said:

I'm sorry - brain fart. GP38-2, GP38-3, and SD40s.

 

Was misremembering on some of the GMTX leased locos up this way.

What was the GP38-3? Asking as I know CN has two now, 7600 and 7601.

8 minutes ago, Wolf27 said:

Apparently they do, bumper crop this year

They look a little unripe to me, better not pick them until they are blue!

6 hours ago, EddieB said:

There's quite a gap between the British locomotives/emus supplied in the 1930s for the earliest 3000V electrification and the EU06 in 1962. 

 

The original two British locomotives were the EL100 class (1934), extended by four built under licence by Chrzanów  (1935).  They were numbered EL101-106 (later E101-106 and EP01 class) and became extinct by 1964.

When I was doing my initial research almost thirty years ago one of my contacts at GEC informed me that four bodies for new locomotives were shipped to Poland and arrived there in late August 1939, but then disappeared. I seem to remember that they were listed as class E110. However aside from that information I have never heard anything else.

There was another electric railway that the PKP operated in Silesia, the Walim - Jugowice line which was energized at 1kV DC. This was operated by a single Bo centre cab locomotive numbered E401 that is preserved in Warsaw.