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"The John Swift Collection"

 

BRITISH RAILWAYS LAYOUT PLANS OF THE 1950s

 

VOLUME 15: ex-LNWR lines Crewe (excl) to Manchester & Leeds, and branches

 

Published by the Signalling Record Society

 

You want Page 43

 

You can easily find a copy on Google.

 

Thanks for that, just what I need.

I need help. Can anyone direct me to a plan of the signalling for Dewsbury Wellington Road in the 1950s

Thanks

I have submitted an entry into the exhibition diary an wish to correct an error. How do I go about this?

 Caley 0-4-4T locos of the '439' class worked in the Bradford area in LMS days, and I think also much further south (Nottingham perhaps?). Also 0-4-0 ST 'pugs' worked in Lancashire, and one was famously a shunter at Crewe.

The Caley tanks were still there in BR days, but I was more interested in through services south of Carlisle

If you mean did they work through Carlisle and on into England, then the answer is no. However ...

 

As DavidCBroad says above, Caledonian engines were tested south of Carlisle before and after Grouping.

 

There was an ex-G&SWR 4-6-0 made it to Leeds from Carlisle in 1926, working a train of imported coal, and returning to Carlisle on a regular goods.

 

Then there were ex-G&SWR and ex-Caledonian engines and engines of Caledonian design that were transferred to English sheds in LMS days. At least 3 G&SWR '279' class 0-6-0s (the dreaded 'Pumpers') worked in England - 2 of them on ex-Furness Railway lines and one working from Upperby, as far south as Preston and Crewe. I have, somewhere, a picture of one of them at work on the Furness section, but I can't find it just now.

 

The LMS built 10 0-4-4Ts to Caledonian design soon after the Grouping, and some of these were used in England. I've seen pictures of one at St. Albans, being used on trains to there from St. Pancras, and a couple at Nottingham Midland. I believe they were also used in the Bradford/Keighley area. They all were eventually transferred to Scottish sheds. (See Asarnot`s post above.)

 

Caley pugs travelled as well. At various times, some worked at Burton-on-Trent, Bromsgrove, Shrewsbury, Preston and Crewe Works. (See Asarnot again.)

 

The class that had the biggest presence south of the border was the ex-G&SWR Drummond/Whitelegg 0-6-2Ts. In 1935, 15 out of the 28 were at English sheds. At least the following sheds had some at one time or another - Barrow, Canklow, Leeds Holbeck, Stourton, Toton, Carlisle Upperby, Wellingborough and Workington. Some were withdrawn from English sheds and some returned to Scotland. Four were sold out of LMS service in England - 2 to the Ashington Colliery in Northumberland and 2 to Sir Robert McAlpine & Sons, who used them at Ebbw Vale. (There were other Scottish engines sold to industry south of the border but, AFAIK, they had not been used on LMS lines in England before being sold.)

 

If you go back to pre-grouping days, G&SWR engines worked on the GWR and Midland (at least) during WW1, and presumably the Caledonian Jumbos sent to France could have done some work on the way south.

Thanks for that. I was aware of Scottish locos being used in England, especially those shedded at Manningham, but I was particularly interested in there use on service trains from Carlisle and you seem to have answered that. 

The question is how far south. Did the get to Hellifield and beyond or Lancaster, Preston etc.

Did any Scottish locomotives, (ex Caledonian, GSW etc) work passenger or goods trains south of Carlisle during LMS or BR days