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5 hours ago, Michael Hodgson said:

 

The railways' phonetic alphabet was one of many.  For example

A for 'orses

B for Mutton

C for Thighlanders

D for Dumb

E  for Oar

F for Pheasants...

These days I prefer

E for Rail

On 11/03/2024 at 07:44, paulbb said:

This is probably an old request, but has the plan to build a  'new' class 22 collapsed? An internet search seems conclusive, but thats the way it looks, unless someone (with ££) has come forward? The old project seemed to be linked to the old LLC which is now gone of course

As far as I know they’re still going. Their website says copyright 2024 at the bottom. 

Hello,

In the manual for the YD6016ES-CS, it says that it is designed for a supply voltage of 5V from the s88 bus and that some command stations supply more than that and doing so will destroy the unit. 

I don't see anywhere in the ECoS 50200 manual where it states the voltage that is supplied via the s88 connection. 

So it seems to me that this is something you will need find out before investing in any YaMoRC units.

Cheers,

Ed

I’ve been watching Rapido Railcrew electromagnetic uncouplers being installed on Perth South, and wondered whether they would work with the Dapol Easi-Shunt couplings? They’re labeled as HO but I don’t see why scale matters. I guess it more a question of whether they would actuate the Easi-Shunts in the correct plane and to the correct degree, but I can’t think why they wouldn’t. Surely it’s just a magnet with an off switch? 

On 08/12/2023 at 14:59, Flying Pig said:

Well, I seem to have been posting in invisible ink, so I'll repeat meself.  Given that these vehicles were build rather late for traditional vehicles, it isn't obvious to me what liveries they would typically have carried at different periods.  The modeller's notion of matching rakes as mentioned above is a fiction for many types of wagon over most of their working lives and possibly particularly so for ones built close to and possibly overlapping a change of livery style.

 

So, can anyone say what combinations of liveries would have been seen on these wagons in say 1967, 1973 and 1979?

Here's some vague answers to your very reasonable questions.

S2301-01 original condition, so 1962 onwards. Probably quite a lot still like this up to receiving TOPS codes.

S2301-02 original condition with Earle's cement labelling. Was Earle's cement based in Hull? 

S2301-03 boxed lettering, so 1964 onwards, but you'd fancy with them being so new at that time, that the boxed letting wouldn't be applied early-on to many vehicles.

S2301-04 original condition but with yellow marker (I've forgotten what that is). Don't know when they started being added but there's a 1968 photo of B784290 with the marker.

S2301-05/6/7 with TOPS codes so about 1974 onwards?

S2301-08 railfreight so about 1984 onwards? 

Cheers,

Ed

Rails seem very fond of packaging their second hand stock into rakes (a bit annoying when you’re after an individual item) so not the biggest surprise that they’re doing it with new items too. I do like that the triple packs are offered but it would be nice to have singles available as well for those who want them, just as Farish do with their steel minerals these days. 

8 hours ago, Mallard60022 said:

Reading some of this interesting and informative thread has led me to purchasing the Warship Headcode Boxes from Kernow.

I now have a question. I have 2 of these very decent Loco's. 6311 and 6325, both  just plain Green, no 'End yellows' and they are 'Disc ready'. 

Did either of these have the H.C. Boxes in this condition?

If your answer is no, then another two questions!

For 11 and 25, what 'End yellows' did they have when they got the H.C Boxes, OR, what other members of the Class exactly like 11 and/or 25, might have had  plain Ends when receiving the H.C. Boxes, so I could consider a renumbering exercise to one of them. 

Otherwise, is there a site where I could look for myself?  

Just to say, I really only ever needed one of these, BUT I really like them and couldn't resist another as they are frequent and inexpensive items at Auction.

I'm also running 1958 to 1965 on my Southern Region, Seaton Junction Layout and these appeared in photo's from 1962/3 and possibly an occasional earlier date on Western Region Diversions.

Many thanks.

Phil

Hello Phil,

D6311 would have been given full width yellow panels when it received its headcode boxes probably in ‘66. 
D6325 received its headcode boxes when it went BFYE in ‘67. 
As already mentioned D6324 was the only one of the D6306-D6333 batch to carry headcode boxes without yellow panels. 
As far as I can tell, the first of the flush boxes was fitted in ‘66. Prior to that they were of the bolt on type and Pteremy gives the complete list of those in his post above. 

Best wishes,

Ed

On 05/11/2023 at 12:50, Roger Sunderland said:

Ed

Thankyou very much for this information. I’m still looking at modelling Bradford Exchange in the early 60,s so any further info would be much appreciated. I’d be very interested in seeing the scans you have. Would it be possible to PM me with them?

 

Many thanks.

PMs sent.

best wishes,

Ed

Hello Roger,

Sorry to be so late in replying to your question.

I have scans of the North Eastern Region Passenger Working Timetable Section K for June 1960 and September 1960, which covers Arrivals/Departures of trains to/from the Halifax direction, which I as I understand it, covers all activities on the L&Y side of the station. Let me know if you're interested and I will send them to you.

The GN side of the station - Arrivals/Departures of trains to/from the Leeds direction will be covered by Section J but I don't have copies of this until after 1962 by which time the timetable was very different due to dieselisation of the Leeds-Bradford-Manchester service in January of that year. The NRM (and I imagine the National Archives at Kew) have copies that you can photograph, or there's always a chance of it turning up on eBay.

The NER passenger timetables are readily available on ebay, but of course they will lack any information about light engine movements, ECS trains, and Parcels trains.

Here's a link to the Summer 1960 one.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/166416295107

Best wishes,

Ed

1 hour ago, Andy_C said:

Agree. My underlay is 3mm, so I may try a 2mm plasticard mount with the magnet atop of that. Nothing lost if it doesn't work.

 

Did you also cut your magnets in 1/2?

No, I didn’t try that. 

14 hours ago, Andy_C said:

I’m just starting out on this process. How did you (and anyone else) get on with the magnets bring cut in 1/2?

 

Also, did you put them flush with the sleepers, or slightly lower so ballast would cover the magnet?

For mine I cut the slot in the underlay so that the magnets could sit under the track. This worked fine with code 55 but not with code 80, so it may not work in a larger scale. I suggest that it's worth experimenting with a test piece. The density and type of ballast might well affect the outcome too.

On 03/07/2023 at 20:51, Josie said:

Have bought a late crest J50 and it looks absolutely marvellous, but whilst trying to chip it 1 of the 4 body screws simply will not move. All 3 of the others came out no problems, is this something anyone else has encountered? There's only so many fine screwdrivers I can try before it strips the head entirely!

 

Over on the Rails thread, Roy reported the same issue. He had to drill out the tight screw. 

When I went on a weeks work experience at Bradford Interchange when I was about 15 (so probably 1991) they posted to me 5 complementary return tickets so that I could travel for free. I remember them being similar to the OPs ticket except that they were green.

cheers,

Ed

The latest batch of J39s that were due this month have dropped back to 'awaiting'.

The LMR Central division ran a bunch of ex-LMS non corridor BS-C-BS formations. I’m not sure without looking but it I think that a single BS or BC might possibly be in a two coach formation. That was certainly the case with corridor stock. 

2 hours ago, britishcolumbian said:

Well those can be removed, I'm not averse to modifying things.

 

edit: but thanks for pointing that out, I hadn't noticed that detail.

Depending on which loco you're wanting to represent, different modifications are required.

D6307-D6312,D6333 the circular vent needs to be removed and replaced with the u-shaped plate that covered the bottom half of the original i-shaped vents.

D6313-D6332, additionally the 'eyebrow' vents need to be removed.

D6334-D6357, the circular vents are actually correct, but just about everything else is completely different.

31 minutes ago, britishcolumbian said:

By "internal" I gather you mean the ones that are basically flush with the front of the loco, and "external" is the big bulky box? What does "blank plates" mean?

 

According to BR Database, Newton Abbot had a fair number of 22s above D3334 so the headcode box question is more just out of interest, as I understand that the ones numbered 34 and higher were built new with the boxes... the point of this exercise is to find a suitable number for a 22 with flush headcode boxes (like this: https://lincoln-loco.co.uk/class-22/) that would have found itself around Yeovil in September 1965.

Strictly speaking the Lincoln-locos body only represents D6300/2/3/4/5 due to the circular vents (if that's what they are) under the 'boxes. These examples wouldn't be going anywhere near Yeovil.

9 minutes ago, britishcolumbian said:

By "internal" I gather you mean the ones that are basically flush with the front of the loco, and "external" is the big bulky box? What does "blank plates" mean?

 

According to BR Database, Newton Abbot had a fair number of 22s above D3334 so the headcode box question is more just out of interest, as I understand that the ones numbered 34 and higher were built new with the boxes... the point of this exercise is to find a suitable number for a 22 with flush headcode boxes (like this: https://lincoln-loco.co.uk/class-22/) that would have found itself around Yeovil in September 1965.

Hello,

Regarding the internal and external boxes, yes that's what I mean.

D6323 had rectangular plates where the headcode boxes should have been at least at one end during some of 1964/1965.

Having checked David Wilson's book, which contains detailed works histories for a few of these locos, it really does seem like most of the internal retro-fitted headcode boxes were fitted in 1966. I have a photo of D6310 in works during June 1965 which may have been when it had it's boxes fitted but you cannot tell from the photo.

If you're happy to consider the D6334-D6357 batch (they look quite different from the front, so that's a problem for N-gauge types) then according to BRdatabase D6334,D6336-D6342,D6344-D6346 were allocated to Newton Abbot at this time. It doesn't show any 22s at all allocated to Bristol for 9/65.  

This is what I've gleaned from my collection of photos and also the information supplied in Wilson:

D6300-D6333 locos with headcode boxes at 9/65:

no: 00/01/03/05/09/11/12/13/14/18/19/22/27/28/32/33
likely no: 04/16/29
don't know: 08/15/21/25/30/31
yes, external style: 02/06/07/17
likely yes, internal style: 10
likely blank plates: 23
yes, could be either external or internal: 24/26

I'm happy to update the list if better info arises.

Cheers,

Ed

6 hours ago, britishcolumbian said:

Thanks for that, I'll start looking around as well. In case I don't find anything, I wonder: would the fitting of the headcode boxes have resulted in getting new paint overall, as well?

In general yes. It might have been that some of the externally fitted boxes were fitted on a more ad-hoc basis but the internally fitted ones seemed to be fitted at overhaul along with a repaint. Many of the early blue repaints didn’t receive the boxes until they went blue. 

On 23/11/2022 at 03:47, britishcolumbian said:

My first British locomotive model will be a 22... Longer term I intend to model Pen Mill (and possibly Town, eventually) in 9/65 (date chosen because of the overlap of 22s and a certain Merchant Navy class (35005) being assigned to the area at that time), though to get myself started I'm going to go with something based on Pen Mill that will be transportable to shows and included in the my local TT group's modular setup; I want to keep that in the 1965-1968 period too (the range is to allow for blue, which I like), but as much as possible focussing on September '65.

 

So my question: would one of the 22s assigned to Laira in September 1965 have a reasonable chance of showing up at Yeovil at that time? Regardless of yes or no the 22 will be going ahead since I've got all I need but the decals, but I'd like to know the answer anyways. From what I've been able to gather from the BR Database site, the only place in the wider Yeovil area where 22s were assigned in 9/65 was Laira, I only see Bristol Bath Road from 1967?

 

Addendum to my question: would all (or most) of the 22s numbered below 6333 have been refitted with headcode boxes by 9/65? Curious because from what I've found, the highest number at Laira at that time was 6325.

Hello,

One of the Newton Abbot allocation seems more likely to turn up at Yeovil than the Laira ones. 
Headcode boxes were still being fitted in ‘66 and ‘67. Unfortunately the mid sixties isn’t exactly a treasure trove for class 22 photos, but I’ll see what I can dig out... 

Cheers,

Ed

On 02/02/2023 at 19:16, montyburns56 said:

 

This is what I don't understand, as Bachmann went from "we'll announce it and then it may get made in the next five years or so" to " we'll announce it and then release it in the next three months". Why couldn't they just switch to a system where they would only announce new items annually if they knew for certain that they could be released in next 18 months or so? They've gone from one extreme to the other.

I imagine they don't "know for certain". 

Hello everyone,

I've tabulated the number of parcels trains that called at Halifax station on a Thursday each year between 1952-1968. I was surprised by just how many there were and I thought the pattern was interesting and that others might like to see it too.

Included in the total are trains of parcels, news, empty parcels vans, and stock trains. I have excluded mail trains as these were passenger trains that included extra BGs for mail, although in the two cases where I have the complete information they are included in the +BGs column, which is the total number of passenger trains (Down+Up) that have some sort of non-passenger stock attached. 

To keep the table small I have only included the first date when those total first appear, i.e. the stats for Sept-53 are the same as the stats for Jun-53.

I imagine that the number in the +BGs column would reduce as the number of dedicated parcels trains increased c.1959-1962.

January 1962 saw the introduction of DMU parcels trains (TTBOMK regular DMUs not class 128s). These are included in the total although they do not account for the dramatic rise as there was only one in each direction in January 1962 and never more than 5 of these per day in total.

Cheers,

Ed

Hello everyone,

Can anyone identify the first wagon in train in the following photo? (I'm assuming it's not just a massive shed on a lowfit)

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/364105428971

Thanks,

Ed

On p29 of Northern Steam Finale by Barrie Walker there is a lovely August 1966 photo of a Brindle Heath to Carlisle freight headed by two ice blue containers.