richard i

Ian

I am sorry the most accurate reply i can give is:

The brakes on this wagon are both at the same end, as they were originally built. Later in life they had levers at opposite ends, but then i would have had to find/ make different length brake levers. So i decided to build it in as built condition c1904 with the c1908 livery. The rule...if there is any... seems to be the earlier you go the more likely the brake levers are at the same end of the wagon, and this was changed/ retro fitted to alternate ends as time went on. As i mainly model up to 1923 i have both, after that alternate ends would be the norm. It is just zerendipidous that i have chosen to photograph the same side of the wagons.Sssssh: It must have been the better modeled of the two sides!

i am afraid i can not give an exact date as i model from photos or line drawings and follow what i see or the advice with the line drawing for each specific wagon...Unless my dyslexcia has crept in and i have reversed things.  ooops.

Richard

here is a photo as it speaks a thousand words. - where do the chains fit? lying on floor, tied to the cart?

Also note the ropes have come off. i am not sure if they need refitting as the bars would hold the wagon and phogtos of LNWR and CR ones do not have them but that is with a car. Ideas?

Richard

Okay advice needed, the chains on the cross bars on the OCT, if there is a load, where do they go?

Do they hang loose as shown on the drawing? Do they chain to the load or do they act on the steel bar  maybe as a locking mechanism?

Ideas please.

Richard

And then the goods depot got its first bit of covering .(Second post of the day!)

I went for cinders so it is darker than the dust of the lane, all scrapings from the home fire.

the horses are tied awiating their return working quietly nibbling on the vegitation and the steam lorry is bring in another load to go out.

Speaking of which i have a small crane, now some were floor mounted but most seem to be plinth mounted so i will build it a base. I was going to combine it with a ramp perhaps to give a place/ reason to drop off the OCT/ warflat. The only one i can find is a weak wooden affair at Calvert to drop off milk, which i might replicate if no solid brick or concreate examples were built by the GCR.

Suggestions?

Richard

More works progress photos

first the lighting in the booking office, first fitted

and then in place, it is most discreet.......and as long as i do not wire it in even Spider will be happy.

Then the plane load for a weltrol. it is broken down as i think it might be for transport......waiting for the corrections....

the weltrol has yet to be built. it willbe built in much the same way as the flatrol.

Lastly the gate for the factory, it covers up the sky edge on the backscene, the rest will be covered by a truck. It will be a 1919 Damiler which should be waiting for me in the UK.

before

after

more corrections for when it goes into the works. Still at least they will all get done at once. Now can i do a hitch that small?

genuinely thank you for all the observations.

i appreciate all constructive advice.

Richard

Yes i have seen the bars and straps. the wagon will go back into the works and receive them, plus the 2X 5ft chains. 

The plant if my memory serves me right was a pontsettia(?) but i could be wildly off.

Better to correct it to be right than to have it bug me because I know it is wrong.

Richard

Hi Richard

 

Station lights? Do you need them? Please do not fall into the trap that many modellers do and have station lights on in daylight. The porter would have lit the gas lamps at dusk and extinguished them soon after the last passenger train had departed. In the morning they would have been lit when he came on shift and as soon as dawn had broken they would have been out.  The station masters promotion could be impaired if the gas bill for his station was too high.

 

 

 

I got it wrong. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/61979-hanging-hill/  Look at the wongy lights they are on and it is supposed to be daylight.

I will be running the full days timetable which means the early morning departures and late night coal runners. For authenticsity the lights in the room will have to be on dimmer and the sound recordings will include the hissing of gass in the lamps the yawn of the porter and the clank of milk churns. Thus the layout needs lights. And a pinch of salt.

Or it is difficult to retro fit them so i have fitted them and will wire them in if i get everything else done and the urge takes me, if i dont then they do not detract from the interiors.

Richard

It is lovely to see some "proper" modelling going on!

 

Especially as it is GCR and pre-grouping.

 

Regarding the OCT, there was a 4mm drawing and an article in an issue of Modellers Backtrack, which went into a bit of detail about how the load was secured. Along the top of the siderails was a thin metal strip with holes all along it, one strip each side.

 

Then there were two metal bars, which were pinned to the sides. One was placed in front of the road vehicle and one behind.

 

There was also a bit about the livery, including details of the lettering applied.

 

The issue was Vol 2 No 4, October/November 1992. If you don't have a copy of the article and would like one, drop me a PM and we can sort something out.

 

I would perhaps raise a query over the livery of the model. There doesn't seem to be much hard information and I may be wrong but I would suggest that the solebar should also be teak coloured, rather than black. Although there don't seem to be any good photos of OCT vehicles, it was normal practise for non passenger carriage vehicles to have the same livery as passenger stock and other photos show horse boxes etc. with teak coloured solebars and that would probably have applied to an OCT too.

 

If anybody has any firm information on the matter, I would be interested in seeing it too.

 

Please accept this in the constructive spirit it is intended rather than as any criticism of your lovely project. I can't wait to see what you come up with next!

 

Tony

thanks for the advice, i always strive to get it as accurate as possible. It will go back into the works to be improved.

I never mind constructive advice, it is one of the main reasons to be on RMWeb.

would be great to get sight of that article.

many thanks Richard

A long time without a post because the computer went down.

Here is a little of what has been accomplished.

the OCT has been finished. the load placed on and strapped in as was suggested on here was the norm for wagon loads at the turn of the century. I hope i got it right.

the chains have arrived to tie down the whippet tank from N Brass, dealing with them even from across the Atlantic was a simple system.

next wire in the station building for light, a gate for the factory and the goundwork for the goods depot. All in hand.

Richard

please make the 2mm buildings in 4mm especially the shops and barn, i have been crying out for decent kits of those for either end of my layout.

Richard

Gordon, it should not be beyond you, it uses a r-t-r chassis and the parts just need cleaning up and details added. If you want to add etched components then they can be fitted after scraping away the moulded detail.  I built one written up in BRM and there have been several other articles on how to do it.

If you still think it is beyond you i could build one, but i live in the states so you would have to source all the components, there may be others in the UK whom you would find it easier to get bits to and from.

Richard

Computer issues and a scratch build ensures slower progress.

Here is the OCT in the raw. I like it like this as it shows hat has gone into it.

ABS buffers at one end, scratch built ones at the other, Bachmann spare vac and air pipes, slaters plasticard, evergreen rod and strip, wizard models wire and spat and winkle couplings (to come), MJT w irons, Gibson wheels, my own castings for the axalboxes and springs, parkside dundas vaccum cylinder and brake Vees, cooper craft brake levers and handles.

This all makes me thankful for my spares box and grateful for the small suppliers without whom this project would have been more difficult. Long may people go on supporting them.

It's positively clean - you can still read both the number and the BR lion!

Tony

if you are struggling to get it dirty enough then i have an austerity you can borrow to see how to really weather. Just call out "flying turd" three times, kick you heals and it shall appear. I have liked the builds.

Richard

I changed address and country and thus increased postage but lost VAT, all was worked out and funds exchanged for the difference once the maths had been sorted. I can not speak highly enough of the service offered by Sandra throughout the changing of the order.

Richard

I'm just joking, I doubt anyone will have taken any offence from you asking

me too

I'm sorry we do not talk about this very sensitive subject as it brings back to many strong emotions from kettle fans. Some things in a family are just never talked about.

The boxes are internal to the tanks so would not make it look better or worse it just makes it run better. You could put in sheet metal instead. It helps balance better.

 

The "unofficial" or "secret" list continues to grow but will remain that at the moment while they are just available to us from test etches and the like.

Items do get moved into the main list as and when we get reasonable production supplies of them.

In case anyone has missed them D10 and B9 are now production items (£30 each) as is the GC 4000 gal. tender,

Please tell me that is the GCR B9?

my pictures which hopefully illustrate my points.

Richard

You asked so some answers

The steam pipe should go to the cab

The safety valves were replaced ( as you sumised corrctly with LNER fitted ross pop valves) as were the chimney and dome for lower ones by the LNER

Top feed was for the early years

Other stuff

you need to cut off all but the bottom 3 coal bars on the bunker as they were removed by the LNER to make mechanical coaling easier.

Worth building boxes for the side tanks so you can fill them with weight to aid pulling ability

Think about turning jinty chassis around to give a more prototypical wheel spacing.

This then means the boiler cut out is filled by the chassis weight. You can hacksaw this weight back and then you can bend up some plastic to make up the bottom of the boiler.

I have built one but in GCR livery, you can see it on my dettingen thread or if i find where the photo is stored i will post on here to show what i am talking about.

I hope this helps.........it is meant to be helpful

Richard

Thanks for the likes. The carriage load for the OCT is progressing and the WWI biplane for the weltrol wagon which is in the build queue.

more wagons and loads....at some point i have to build a carriage or two.

Richard

progress on the packet of PECO ponies.

First fit the harnesses to the horses.

paint and add reins from cotton and the brass loops on the back.

Lastly Clive gets his horse and can deliver his coal around the layout homes.

The other three horses will get their work loads over time. I may tie one or two up in the goods yard.

Richard

the simplist solution was 3 sets of valve gear and move them to the southern section of the GN and swap out the same number of A4s as was done in the end up to 1966.

Not a very noticable conversion on a model but would allow them in BR green / blue

My Dettingen thread is a GCR london extension station in GCR days plus all the kit and scratchbuilt stock to go in it.

Richard