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Sides on

You would have thought I could get more done at the weekend but I only managed a couple of hours late Sunday night. I also had to do every thing in my power not to put them on the wrong way around. They are handed. Not obvious here but little holes have been drilled for handrails etc.

Richard

Many moons ago I nursed a gent who had been a fireman at Kings Cross when then Robinson locos were used on the Pullmans. He told me, amongst other stories, that the exhaust on them was so strong it pulled the rubbish German retribution coal they were using straight off the fire, and it would come crashing down on the cab roof. 

There should be a repository for little gems like this so they are not lost with the passing of time.

Richard

Oh the can of worms I have opened. On the plus sides I do want to run through the era so the larger ones can make up an lner train. I can run them for now and in time replace them with more appropriate ones on a one in one out policy and it will distract attention away from the 3mm discrepancy in the hopper wagons.

In all seriousness I appriciate all the advice, it helps to make the railway more accurate and until someone points out something we have missed we do not notice it and do do not look to change it.

Richard

Progress

The end t section is fitted.

Now body and chassis are married up it has become apparent that I did not take into account 1 dimension. Height. They will be 9inches too high. It is not off the top though, it is off the sloping section, still not decided if it is really worth up sticking it all to shave off the 3mm. The end result could look worse than leaving it. Apart from those who read this who will notice? Certainly few who view the layout here in the states. That might not be the best bench mark though as they group all UK freight stock together as those funny little four wheel jobs.

Richard

I would love to know when the Manvers Main livery changed to  Manvers

                                                                                                        Main

 

Given this was a truly massive fleet of wagons, (certainly many hundreds, if not thousands) there are relatively few pictures, at least, published pictures. Still fewer pre-group.

 

There were also some wagons lettered (from 1915)

 

Manvers Main Collieries Ltd (top plank)

Barnbro Main (third and fourth planks)

 

(Source Turton Volume 5 page 113)

 

By the way Richard, if you think some of your wagons are off piste so to speak, you can always form them into a Jellicoe special. During WW1 these ran from South Wales to the Far North (for Scapa Flow) by all manner of routes, some of them highly unconventional. The wagons were requisitioned/hired from a wide variety of sources; albeit I think many were of Welsh origin.

My issue was less area specific as I had tried to be good about that, mine was more date specific, some must be 1923 and on. I was told that the number moved to the left hand side post 1923, though some had mover earlier. The manners main ones I have just picked up have GCR on them . The ones I got earlier do not and are bigger wagons so most likely muck newer.

Richard

Progress so far

It is almost pure dundas at the moment except for the GCR axel boxes the adding has yet to start. I must say it needed a bit of fettling but that might be because of its complex shape.

Also arrived today a train of private owners.

 

I am sure that some are post 1923 but at the moment with my level of knowledge it will do. I will make sure as it is empties that it will keep all of one company's wagons together. I will redo the insides to represent old wood and reattach lose brake gear and do the couplings. That should keep me busy once the milk van and hoppers are finished.

Richard

Fighting with the chassis at the moment

Richard

Why 'Sottish'? Didn't know that the Sotts made the water of life too. Anyway, where did the Sotts come from?

Curious of Biggar, Scotland

I have heard of drunken sotts and drunken Scots but which is worse?

Nile of this parish wanted an old cattle wagon for his freelance line and chose the Bachmann under-length Midland.  This, too, was steel framed, so he simply blanked it off with plastic strip.

I had thought to do this but in the end did not deem it worth the effort for a wagon that as Bill has pointed out is stretching the likelihood of it being in a train in the first place.

Might call it Bell's then. Shorter to spell than glenmorangie.

Richard

Hi Richard

 

I never knew about the GCR hoppers, how long did they last?

From the notes it looks like 1945, in all likely replaced by the very wagon I am back dating. Now there is an irony.

Richard

The next project whilst I wait for snail mail transfers to arrive from the UK

Converting an LNER hopper wagon into a GCR one by over plating the sides and adding t section to the sides and ends, altering the brake gear a little and adding a big brake wheel.

I always fear my ideas of conversions will get more complicated than I imagine. In this case the wheelbase is right, the length, height and internals are spot on. I am hoping to turn these out at the same time as the others.

Richard

I note the description of the Parkside kit reads "design dates back to 1903, but the kit features the steel chassis used from the 1920's[sic]".

 

Generally I have only seen them in "L G W" livery, which were based in Leith.  The builders were Hurst Nelson, a Glasgow builder, though perhaps nothing turns on that, as Cambrian Kits state that HN's sales extended to the South Coast of England.  I'm using one of their opens in Norfolk!

 

I suspect that the peak-roofed grain wagons might not have been particularly widespread - finding an owner other than LGW seems hard for a start - and I suspect most of the country made do with sacks in ordinary railway company merchandise wagons, box vans if you were lucky!

 

You could have a fictitious owner.

Yes I was going down that route though I copied LGW colour scheme as that was around at the time.

I am pretending it has a wooden under frame, I can tell up close but in a moving train it does not jump out at me. It is like people who notice flat bottom or bullhead rail. Mine is liveries it is strange?/ Indervidual what matters to us what offends one is acceptable to another.

Richard

Have you a prototype for that grain wagon? Offhand I can't suggest anything that would fit the GC, but you can always invent something.

 

Steel solebars on PO wagons were rare, pre-group, but they definitely existed, so I wouldn't lie awake worrying about that particular issue.

No prototype but it was around at the time so open to ideas, I am assuming they moved around the system a bit. Any names or I will go with the one suggested by parkside

Richard

If you were running the milk van with your coaches it would definitely be brown. If you were running it with the Director, it would probably be brown, unless you were modelling post WW1. It would only be teak if you were modelling pre 1900.

So grey post ww1 maybe?

Thank you bill for the advice, as I model the London extension pre 1900 is not really an option do it looks like brown it is.

Richard

Hi Richard,

Having just finished reading this thread from the beginning I wanted to say you have a fantastic railway. Also your work rate is inspiring, more power to you and I look forward to future updates.

That is very kind of you to say, it does not feel quick as it has been 9 years since baseboards were cut and some time in the planning before that.

I still have a number of trains to build. Mostly coaches and locos, but it will get there......or that is the aim.

Richard

i have now found two references to the colour of the milk carriage. The first said it was brown first and then grey later. The second said it was brown first and then teak. Which is right?

Richard

Thanks Mike - no problemI've been on lots of little jobs, sort of little... I don't often do 4mm now, but there are 18 ( it feels like thousands ) Bachman A1s to renumber and detail. I'm well on the way now...P1030959.JPG

Don't let TW see them he might not cope. Hope all the light runs are being indervidualised and correct numbers of lubricators etc.

What fun though.

Richard

Another side project

The plate layers wagons and tools.

Not stuck down yet as undecided about placement. Should the wagons be on off cuts of rail? If any were put out on the railway would I prototypic ally have to run a slower schedule? Would the tools be stored on the wagons? Would the wagons be stored off their wheels?

Just want to get it looking about right if I am honest.

Richard

It seems from an article I have just read that we are all fighting the system. The article's argument was that it was in the interest of business to keep us for longer hours because that then meant we would buy convienience when we could as we have little free time. Thus we spend more and big business makes more profit. This inspire of the fact that they know from studies that people would be just as productive at work if they did a six hour day instead of an eight hour one. Might that explain so many responses for getting rtr rather than build. It might also explain why more seem to be coming over to building once they retire.

I personally like the idea we are all refusing to play the game by their rules and are enjoying doing it the other way. Over and above the fact I just enjoy building things.

Richard

And then there were three.

Speed building. But what livery for the private owner grain wagon that is appropriate for the GCR, and yes I know this has steel not wood sole bars, but once painted and moving can we tell? I do not have enough time to worry.

Richard

It's a great pity about the Colin Ashby wagons. They were a joy to build and produced a model of a very common wagon, so were extremely useful. If there was an equivalent 7mm kit I would buy about five!

 

You can use the Slater's 7 plank Charles Roberts and Gloucester opens as GC hired wagons with reasonable (possibly complete) fidelity; but I gather these too are not easy to get in 4mm nowadays.

 

I suspect sufficient ingenuity could produce some GC wagons by 'bashing' certain kits, but I wouldn't like to advise this without trying it myself first. (It's one thing to waste my money, but I don't want to be accused of wasting someone else's.)

Thanks, I have bashed several kits in the past, the next up is a hopper wagon to give the GCR slab sided ones. More to follow once I start on that project.

Richard

Could I ask if anyone knows of a kit chassis or an rtr one that is a 4-4-0 with driving wheelbase of 8ft with 6' 3 wheels , or close enough? It could be any railway I am looking to see if I am going to have to bite the bullet and scratch build my first loco frames or whether I can continue to help myself get fair running by borrowing from another kit.

There was if I recall a company that did a wide range of loco frames, can I remember, or find their website now, can I heck.

It is for a GCR Sacre 4-4-0 and if I get it done Tony I will be brave enough to post a shot on here.

Richard

You are forgiven: the G and the R bit are still the same, just the letter in the middle was a bit wrong.

Now go and say ten military maries.

Father Simon

Thank you for the absolution, now I can progress with the build with a clear mind

Richard

Forgive me I have sinned.

It is great western! It is also the first park side kit I have built in a long while. It is a 1908 van. It took three hours to build! The brass GCR kits take a good three weeks at least. It went together so easily. It must make life for plastic wagon builders very expensive due to the rate of production.

The only plastic GCR wagons are the Colin ashby ones but I can not track one down for love nor money.

It also got me thinking about a transfer exchange, I hand painted the lettering on the Cambrian wagon, but for those pregrouping modellers who only need one or two of a company's transfers could we swap the left overs to save waste.

Richard

Roll on the Steam rail motor, that would be great, as everyone is voicing what order projects should be tackled in.

richard