NJC92

Came across this quite recently and interesting to note that a model of 142084 is being produced, albeit in its later condition in life. Never had the chance to hear a 142 with the TL11 and SCG gearbox.

Looking very much foward to one of these. Will start saving now and soon pre order a GM Orange 142.

53 minutes ago, MrWolf said:

 

IIRC it is a 21st century upgrade all bells and whistles model. But as a homage to the original models the body is a (far superior) heavy monkey metal mazak casting.

It's a good bit more special than the old Hornby model. 

Still wouldn't pay what this greedy **** is asking though!

 

It is indeed, the design process and making of this very model just featured on the new Hornby show on the Yesterday channel, potentially another thing to make people ask for a hell of a lot of money.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/313712090473?hash=item490ab29d69:g:TN4AAOSw8N9haVqk

Sure these are a tired cliché by now but at least the description states these ex Gresley. 

14 hours ago, ColinK said:

Good to see those leaflets, I worked with some of the people in the photo. Thanks for posting them.

 

Pacers were not the first train which didn’t work out of the box, nor were they the last.

 

For the non-enthusiast they were an improvement - remember the clapped out 1st generation dmu’s where everything rattled and the heaters that filled them with fumes?

Very true, the 175's spring to mind. And yes in terms of passenger comfort the newer Pacer units will have been an improvement over the 1st gen units. I will defend to death the 142 and other Pacer Railbuses, with the financial pressures on BR at the time the Pacer was the cheap solution. And very interesting to know you worked with some of the people in the leaflet.

For the Pacer fans out there, I've scanned a leaflet promoting the new trains of the future from their introduction into the Manchester area. I'm sure it will raise a laugh from some about them being smooth, reliable with better suspension and making travelling a really relaxing experience. Till you hit Miles Platting or Oldham Mumps of course and hear copious amounts of flange squeal! Still you have to love the optimism and enthusiasm. Also features a interior shot with the original seat moquettes. Alas as we know they had their fair share of technical issues which is shown in the pic of a special notice poster, dated 6/87 mentioning them and apologising for the older stock or shorter formations used.

 

Thanks for the response Charlie, either way I'm still happy that a modern spec model is being produced of these 2nd generation stalwarts. And gives me more time to save up for a few.

I've been following with great interest any news about these models ever since first hearing the intention to produce a high spec model. Having seen the 144 I can't wait to buy a few of these models, especially North West variations. I have always loved these units ever since I was young, my best Christmas present being a Hornby Spirit of the North train set featuring a 142 when I was 8. 

Hi Kit / Brian

 

On the CAB End Trailer Car, the little narrow connecting corridor you go through from the Main Seating area through a narrow door and on into the Cab, is there some kind of Generator on the left side, if so what was the generator used for, I saw the total running hours clock, sad to see so low in hours, I will sort through a publish them soon. I had the idea, while not on Pantograph or loss of power it would supply electric to all the essentials of the APT that needed power, as well as Internal Lighting for Each Coach etc.

 

I do find it interesting behind all the scenes of comfort as to what made the APT tick as it were...!

 

Regards

Jamie

Prety much spot on, again from the APT-P leaflet.

Hi NJC92

 

Thank you for clearing that up, it backs up Kit Comments to... aka Mr_Tilt

I like the extra information of this fine train of the past, from the input of all other RMWeber's...!?!

 

Regards

Jamie

You're most welcome. The sad thing on the back of that leaflet is under the section 'The Future' Quote 'British Rail hopes to build a fleet of APT's for all the electrified services from Euston to Glasgow, Liverpool, Manchester, N.W. England and the W.Miands. If the government gives authority these services could be running by the mid 1980's.' Such a shame this never came to fruition. At least we can savour what remains of APT and look forward to what sounds to be a cracking model. I'm just having visions of the blue cab, tartan seats and the large InterCity APT legend adorning the power car.

Love the banter... great to hear guys.

who was the chief tester for do a big P..... Leave it.... Don't Even go there Jamie... lol

 

and On that bombshell...

being based on a Japanese system then, was it still suppose to dumb the waste on the track like the MK3 Coaches do today or was the APT moving towards a more cleaner way of a storage tanks system, I know that may caused more issues emptying and blockage possible over a flow etc. but I have to ask the question, even though I'm guessing it would still be the same method as we see it today...?

 

Regards

Jamie

Hopefully this answers your question.

Having followed this thread for a while, it seems that minor variations within larger batches are not feasible.

I don't know too much about the history of City of Derby. Was it named early or later in the APT's life? Was it the only named power car? Was it part of one of the 14-car sets which have been announced? Answers to these may give an insight on whether it is likely to be in the 14 car train.

I believe it was 49003 from set 370003 that was the only named APT vehicle, 'City Of Derby' which is being produced as the 7 and 10 car sets, both with black window surrounds.

Chalk up another first installment paid.