31A

7 hours ago, Chas Levin said:

Happy New Year to everyone! 😃

Thank you Chas, and the same to you!

5 minutes ago, ess1uk said:

With still no idea where in Derby

Midland House, I heard ....

4 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said:

A Weltol EN with cantilevers.

You start to make in and somebody will announce it.  Mind you, yours would be finished first!

5 hours ago, great northern said:

What are the most glaring gaps when trying to model LNER/BR(E)?  And spare a thought for modellers of Scottish areas, for whom the answer is just about everything.

Decent Gresley main line coaches (some Scottish peeps could use them as well).

3 hours ago, steve1 said:

And to you too Steve.

 

Maybe we’ll bump into one another at a show sometime! 😀

 

steve

Hope so, Steve!

3 hours ago, Neil said:

Happy New Year Steve. I see motive power shortages have become so critical that control have had to 'borrow' a couple of exhibits from the museum at York. Vintage locos out on the national railway network; it'll never catch on you know.

Hard times Neil!  I'm assured they'll still turn a wheel ....

33 minutes ago, Barry O said:

Have a great 2024 Steve!

 

Baz

Thank you Barry, same to you!

3 minutes ago, St Enodoc said:

Thanks Steve - so the Western instructions were considerably more restrictive than those for the Eastern and, later, BR as a whole.

 

I wonder what happened between 1960 (nothing in the BR GA - likewise in 1972) and 1981 (as above)?

It seems so John.   I have got an earlier LNER one which I didn't copy as 1947 is nearer to Little Bytham's period, but it said much the same thing as the 1947 one anyway.  Strange there's nothing in the interim BR ones, as the wording in the 1981 one isn't so different to the LNER one.  Perhaps it appeared in a different document at that time, although I can't imagine which one.  By 1981 the format of  the GA seems to have been re-hashed a bit and it's divided into different Sections, of which Section 3 was Train Operating.

On 30/12/2023 at 02:40, St Enodoc said:

There was. I'll try to find it...

On 30/12/2023 at 05:40, Flying Fox 34F said:

There was a Rule and David Jenkinson mentions it in his Carriage Modelling Book.

However, I suspect a Special Instruction would have written with regard to the car carrying passenger service.  It may even be an instruction, in a copy of a Sectional Appendix of the period.

Signalman of the time would no doubt have been commenting about the arrangement.  They had already caused enough fuss over fixed tail lights on the early DMU’s, to the extent the use of the oil lamps was reinstated!

 

Paul

In 1947 the LNER had this to say on the matter of vehicles behind the rear brake of passenger trains, which should give plenty of scope for most model railways:

In 1981 BR had expanded on it a bit, but still needn't bother most model railway operators:

5 hours ago, corneliuslundie said:

So you didn't spend your time at Fenners then?

J

Not old enough then and when old enough not bright enough!  And no good at cricket anyway.  For anyone who might not know, the cricket ground in Dave's photo is the playing fields of the Boys' High School.

24 minutes ago, DaveF said:

 

Trumpington tanks on train c1948 JVol1268

 

A couple of decades later it could have been me on that cricket pitch!  The trains weren't quite as interesting by then, but still more interesting than cricket....

Well according to the BR Database 92184 (32-859b) was withdrawn in 1965, at which time there would have been very few diesels in blue livery (probably only 1!), while 92212 (32-859a) was withdrawn at the beginning of 1968 when there would have been a few blue diesels around, bearing in mind what PMP has said above.

The “East Anglian Steam Gallery” books are worth collecting!

Season’s Greetings!

32 minutes ago, Pint of Adnams said:

 

Thank you.

 

Having exchanged information with 31A, I have confirmed that the LNER revised recording and reconciliation of stock from years ending March to years ending December early on, the accounting year matching the calendar year and no doubt a result of the legal formation of the Grouped companies wef 1st January 1923. It seems that BR continued that practice, probably for the same reason. I am reminded too that Mr Geddes Transport Act required the submission of masses of operating and other statistics on an annual (calendar year) basis or even more frequently.

 

LNER Locomotive Committee November 1923: This total programme was intended to cover the period until 31 March 1924. On acceptance of the programme, the CGM intimated that he proposed in future to bring a programme to each November Board meeting, to cover the twelve months ending 31 March in the following year but one. (This led to joint meetings of the Locomotive and Traffic Committees, which discussed the programmes in detail and made recommendations to the Board. However, complications emerged in that whereas a programme would end on 31 March, the financial year ended on 31 December. This affected the presentation of statistics, as the Chief Accountant's annual figures were for the year to 31 December.)

Thank you for sorting that out, and sorry to have raised concerns unnecessarily.

1 hour ago, Fishoutofwater said:

In the 1960's BR accounting year was 1st Jan to 31st Dec. It changed to 1st April - 31st March in the 1980's sometime but do not recall actual year.

Thank you for that.  I must admit I didn’t realise it had changed that recently; my memory must be worse than I thought!  Apologies again …. !

1 minute ago, Pint of Adnams said:

 

In which case the entry on the carriage record card would have read 13/66? Longworth translates this to (month) 12 of 1965.

Under the current system the 4-weekly accountancy period which ended on 31.03.66 would be described as Period 13/65, but as I say, I don’t know whether the Railway’s accounting year ended on 31st March in those days (as it does now) or on 31st December?  Not a thing I’d considered previously in connection with the Longworth books; I’d previously taken the months quoted in it to be months of the year - perhaps I’ve not come across one withdrawn in “Month” 13 before!

On 21/12/2023 at 15:43, Fredo said:

Hi, on the br database it is showing that the last sheds for 90755 and 90763 and 90767 were March, Carlisle Kingmoor and Motherwell. Will the models carry shed plates for those depots when they come out? 
also is the plan still to do oil burners next including 3672?

thanks Fred

Surprising, I didn’t realise and of the WD 2-10-0s were allocated to March in BR days, I thought they were all in Scotland.  They may have worked from March for a while when new before moving to Scotland later; perhaps this is an area where the BR Database information is incomplete?

9 minutes ago, Pint of Adnams said:

 

It was condemned in period 13 of 1965, i.e. at the very end of that year. The accounting periods were of 4 weeks.

I’m not sure whether Railway Accounting Periods were the same then as they are now, but nowadays Period 13 would end on 31st March….

Thank you, and the same to you!  Look forward to reading more of Kircheim in the New Year!

Hi Manna, good to see you back, and that looks like an interesting project!

Hope the Covid isn't too bad; there seems to be quite a lot of it around in the UK, not sure what Aus is like.

Anyway, all the best for Christmas and the New Year!

Cheers Russ, they look pretty good to me!

1 hour ago, russ p said:

  Very few if any Norfolk flint buildings available 

You don't very often see them scratch but either!

That all looks very good Russ!   Are the houses scratch built?  I don't recognise them from kits.

Re ex GCR Restaurant (Kitchen) cars, I don't know whether this helps at all?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/blue-diesels/48158319237/in/album-72157604142594351/

1 minute ago, caradoc said:

 

Agree re the OLE, but I think the bay platforms were provided as well as the Central Line through platforms, and were used for a while by the Docklands Light Railway?

 

Ooops; trying to remember now why I wrote that back in April but yes, it doesn't seem to have come out right - you are quite right!