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    Cavalex - all new Class 56 in OO

    in Cavalex

    Posted

    Hi 

    A few bits of Detail that pertain to the individual Cavelex announced models 

     

    The information is for a additional features that occurred during the lifespan of that particle livery variation only of the 12 prototypes 

     

    From my information & a morning’s Flickr viewing ( there may well be other & date clarifications )

     

    Regards 

    TW 

     

    56008 #

    > BR Blue >> New to Withdrawal 

    Note (1) ~ V type Ariel bracket applied July/August 1988

    Note (2) ~ Round Buffers #1 end / Oval #2 end .. typically throughout 1984-1991 period 

     Note (3) ~ cab door longer handrail modification ( late 1982 )

     

    56018 #

    > BR Blue 

    > Railfreight

    > Trainload Coal 

    > Transrail 

    > EWS >> April 1989 to Withdrawal 

    Note (1) ~ EWS GPS tracker ( I think that what it was )  #2 End  above cab window

     

    56019 #

    > BR Blue

    > Railfreight Redstripe >> April 1988 to Withdrawal 

    Note (1) ~ Always had V type Ariel bracket in this livery .. March 1988 mod @ ZC

     

    56023 #

    > BR Blue

    > Trainload Coal >> sept 1988 to Withdrawal

    Note (1) ~ V type Ariel bracket .. Sept 1988 

    Note (2) ~ Depot Plaques fitted 1990

    Note (43) ~ BR Arrows fitted 1991

     

     

    56046 #

    > BR Blue

    > Railfreight

    > Trainload Construction >> March 1989 - April 1993

    > Dutch 

    Note (1) ~ no Plaque/Arrows 

    Note (2) ~ Westbury plaque added #1 end only 1990

    Note (3) ~ Westbury Plaque removed 1991

     

    56055 #

    > BR Blue 

    > Railfreight

    > Trainload Construction 

    > Loadhaul >> 1995 to Withdrawal 

    Note (1) ~ Cantrail grille modification 1995/1996

    Note (2) ~ EWS GPS tracker ( I think that what it was )  #2 End  above cab window

     

    56070 #

    > BR Blue >> New to November 1989

    > Trainload Construction 

    > Trainload Unbranded 

    > Transrail Grey

    Note (1) ~ T type Ariel bracket applied Sept 1988 

    Note (2) ~ Never received orange cantrail stripe in this livery (?) 

     

    56074 #

    > BR Blue

    > Trainload Coal >> September 1988 to April/May 1994

    > Loadhaul

    Note (1) ~ flashing light still fitted & red Nameplate - no arrows/plaque

    Note (2) ~ T type Ariel bracket applied by March 1989

    Note (3) ~ plaque/ Arrows applied by July 1990

    Note (4) ~ depot Plaques removed 1994

     

    56077 #

    > BR Blue

    > Railfreight >> February 1986 - June 1990

    > Trainload Coal

    > Loadhaul

    Note (1) ~ T type Ariel bracket applied by Late 1988/early 89

     

     

    56093 #

    > Large Logo 

    > Large Logo ( Tinsley Tart ) >> late 1985 - October 1989

    > Trainload Coal

    > Transrail Grey

    Note (1) ~ painted as a full Tinsley Tart late 1985 with large front end numbers 

    Note (2) ~ T type Ariel bracket applied by May 1989

     

    56097 #

    > Large Logo

    > Trainload Coal

    > Trainload Metals >> April 1993 - withdrawal

    Note (1) ~ metals decals with arrows & coal sector plaque from April 1993

    Note (2) ~ Arrows/Plaques removed by 1996

     

    56120 #

    > Large Logo >> new to March 1992 

    > Trainload Coal

    Note (1) ~ small end numbers by 1984

    Note (2) ~ orange cantrail stripe by 1987

    Note (3) ~ T type Ariel bracket applied by October 1988

     

     

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    All new RTR PGA wagon in 4mm scale

    in Cavalex

    Posted

    On 18/09/2016 at 16:29, Grimleygrid said:

    Thanks again to all those members that have kindly taken the time to post on our thread, it really is appreciated.

     

    Apologies Troublesome Trucks, as Cav has said at the moment we want to focus on the PGA but who knows, may be in the future.

     

    As previously mentioned, our plan, subject to a successful release of the PG012A, would be to release the ex-Tilbury Roadstone PGA as below;

     

    8550534703_a272e33fe0.jpgPGA REDA 14503 TJH01 Trowse 8th June 2001 Copyright Tim Horn by Tim Horn, on Flickr

     

    6279636811_95b674b4ae.jpgPGA REDA 14521 TJH01 Trowse Monday 9th April 2001 Copyright Tim Horn by Tim Horn, on Flickr

     

    This would allow modellers to mix these with the PG012A and also run as a rake in original Tilbury Roadstone livery:

     

    4910766835_f470828258.jpg47 285 westbound through Stratford. by Adrian Nicholls, on Flickr

     

    For those that model the Peak Forest area, these particular PGAs were used for a short period of time in 2002 on a flow from Dowlow to East Anglia.

     

    6332249827_6b74c2bbfc.jpgPGA_REDA_DSCF0274 by Paul Harrison, on Flickr

     

    The response to the Redland liver has got us thinking……

    Any thoughts from Cavalex if they may produce this wagon ?

    All rakes seem to have at least 3 or 4 as part of the consist .. 

    PG013G 

    14500 - 14522 

    Although a small batch / livery variations are 

    Tilbury Roadstone > Red 

    Redland > Green / grey stripe

    Redland > Green

    Redland > Faded Green blanked out 

    LaFarge > white with titles 

    LaFarge > white with titles blanked out 

    LaFarge > white

     

    Additionally.. 

    Also has anybody tried to convert a Cavalex PGA 012A into a Redland .. PGA 009B ? If so any pics please .. cheers 

    TW

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    PTA/JTA/JUA, By Accurascale (NOW WITH ADDED BSC INNERS!)

    in Accurascale / Irish Railway Models

    Posted

    9 hours ago, Accurascale Fran said:

     

    Hi @Thrallwelder,

     

    Regarding TOPS codes on these after the 1990 reorganisation pictures suggest the following:

    • ARC and BSSW were changed quickly with most if not all the fleet recoded by 1991/2
    • Yeoman and BSRC were much tardier and there is little evidence of wagons losing their PTA code before 2000 or thereabouts

    That's what we've seen on our research travels. Hope this helps.

     

    Cheers,

     

    Fran

    Thanks Fran

    this info gives me a little scope with the Caib branded ARC PTA’s to re badge to PTA TOPS codes for my 1989/1990 class 56 period.

    hopefully you are considering at some stage ARC/FY or indeed Tarmac PGA wagons for production ... I’m sure they would do well

     

    cheers

    TW

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    PTA/JTA/JUA, By Accurascale (NOW WITH ADDED BSC INNERS!)

    in Accurascale / Irish Railway Models

    Posted

    3 hours ago, Mike Harvey said:

    I signed the production order for the relabelling from PROCOR to Caib in the late summer of 1988. Given the PPM frequency and the excellent facilities available at the Mendip quarries almost all would have been completed by the summer of 1989.

    Hi

    would anybody have an idea on exactly when in 1990 the wagon designation change PTA > JTA/JUA occurred & if any PTA’s designation wagons made it through to 1991 before being re-badged JTA/JUA 

     

    cheers

    TW 

    All new RTR TEA bogie tank

    in Cavalex

    Posted

    Hi All 

    Needing an excuse to order some of these wagons .

    anybody have info on wether this variant of TEA was hauled by class 56  1990-2004 ? .. possibly on Power station/depot fuel traffic from Lindsey OR.. or indeed any regular-ish working

     

    cheers

    TW

     

    All new RTR PGA wagon in 4mm scale

    in Cavalex

    Posted · Edited by Thrallwelder

    On 04/03/2019 at 00:37, YesTor said:

     

     

    Do we know how many PGAs were actually fitted with protection panels overall?  Similarly, do we know how many PGAs ran with the large Redland logo - I suspect quite a small proportion on the latter?  I do remember these wagons very well in both original and later Redland paint schemes and while my memory may well be good, I'm afraid it ain't that good... :lol:  ...and I guess I never really took a lot of notice of the subtle differences back then.  The photos I can find online of these only show a fraction of the fleet it seems, while those in rakes rarely show the ends of the wagons sufficiently, not to mention specific wagon numbers...  :blink: 

     

    In fact the more I look at photographs the more and more quirky differences I start to see, eg. I've only just noticed that some appear to have rectangular buffers fitted and one or two with only an upper section of the protection panels left in place, it seems.  Still, lots of opportunity to create a varied rake, which makes these a very nice wagon to model.

     

    cheers

    Al

    72 Wagons in total 

    No Panel = 22 ID’d

    Full Panel = 10 ID’d 

    Top small Panel = 7 ID’d

    no ID yet = 33

    Some of the no ID’d wagons had half top panel only , so maybe some mods

     

    note :

    most pics from 2009

     

    additionally >

    Tapered side Panel = 11 (1noted so far with Full Panel)

     

    large Logo Redland > 6 is the most I’ve seen in a rake (40 wagons)

     

    Not a definitive overview .. but at least a start 

    TW

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    All new RTR PGA wagon in 4mm scale

    in Cavalex

    Posted

    30 minutes ago, Trains4U said:

    In addition to the announced liveries above,  Trains4U are pleased to exclusively offer the PGA in large logo Redland livery.

     

    image.png.fc389c2066582f6e43169779494ef07f.png

     

    Numbers are limited to 300.  There is one running number available, though 150 will be with protection panels and 150 without.

     

    We will have 10 variants of PGA available on release - All priced at £32.50 each

    They are available to pre-order from us now.

     

    image.png.8cfaf52cd467c83ecc6a161083fe3774.png

     

     

    When will you be updating your website , I require 2x protection Panel & 1 x no Panel Larger Logo Redland wagons

     

    cheers

     

    All new RTR PGA wagon in 4mm scale

    in Cavalex

    Posted

    Dear Cavalex

    Do you intend to have a second run of 4mm to mirror the livery variations that you offer on the 2mm model , secondly any thought to producing a 4 mm model with the protection panel already fitted & thirdly any mileage in producing the variant similar to this one with cut off side panels ( sorry don’t know the variant # ) to add a little variation to the rake !?

     

    Cheers

    TW

    Dear Cavalex

    Do you intend to have a second run of 4mm to mirror the livery variations that you offer on the 2mm model , secondly any thought to producing a 4 mm model with the protection panel already fitted & thirdly any mileage in producing the variant similar to this one with cut off side panels ( sorry don’t know the variant # ) to add a little variation to the rake !?

     

    Cheers

    TW

    All new RTR PGA wagon in 4mm scale

    in Cavalex

    Posted

     

    The Bardon Hill JGAs would look good behind a Large Logo 56

     

    .... let’s make it happen , I doubt this wagon would manufactured by any of the big boys , it would keep in context & complement the Redland wagon ... late 80’s thru til now

     

    TW

    All new RTR PGA wagon in 4mm scale

    in Cavalex

    Posted

    Hi Alex & Cav

    The reference to the Bardon PHA is the WH Davis Wagon circa 1986 , not the ex ECC wagon ... although that would be cool also .

    Certainly the PTA would be a popular selection & I personally would buy 30+ ARC/FY units & would consider a further purchase of South Wales Iron ore examples

     

    A couple more personal selections would be

    > VTG 3 door Ferry vans

    > Cargowaggon Holdall Wagons ( Norsk Hydro )

    > also 2nd the suggestion of the CSA presflo’s

     

    Looking forward to any potential vote

     

    Furthermore with the painted versions due to arrive from China .... how long do you envisage deliveries to the customer of the accepted Production models ?

     

    Thanx

    TW

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