UMinion

 

Ally Pally and Warley are two that have fallen by the wayside. Selling smaller items means you have to deal with lots of customers to take as much money as somebody selling one RTR loco. That is really what it comes down to.

 

There are a number of specialist Society shows over the year and if you want the specialist traders, then these are the ones to go for.

If you talk to traders, yes the cash flow is good on an RTR loco but the profit to the trader is very small indeed. I spoke to one at a show who was only making a few pounds on a £100+ loco

There won't be any of these issues when the SLW versions finally arrive, we can have confidence in all variants being correct.......................  .

Not sure why. Some of the current SLW class 24s have detail errors. Cab vents on the first blue one, no headboard clips on the first green one.

Well,having purchased a new gas cylinder and cleared my diary between deployments I have come up with this.

 

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Still a work in progress but the ilnk provides the reference i'm workng from:

http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brpipe/e886869a

 

and the other side:

 

 

with relevant link:

http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brpipe/e7aed649

 

and a detail photo.

 

 

 

Sorry to bounce your thread, But you did ask.

 

Best wishes

 

Daz.

 

I personally much prefer this approach if at all possible. Great stuff. I do understand why it might not always be though.

You are still being extremely dismissive PMP? I have been to Warley every year for years and have spoken to Peco on many occasions. I appreciate how swampled they can get at times and I also appreciate that they don't know me from Adam (as you clearly don't either).

What's your relevant experience that gives you such authority? The 'irony' of your own 'fact free' contributions hasn't been missed.

I really sometimes wonder why small manufacturers bother, I really do. Judith edge post a picture of thier latest and within days people loose interest and start clammering for what they should do next. Why can't we take a moment to look at what's happening now rather than constantly obsessing about the future?

 

^^ Thanks for this mornings 'fact free' contribution.

 

edited to add quote ....

It's based on years of experience of being the 'other side' of the barrier although in a different market. Try not to be so dismissive

Not really. Manufacturers tend to be very busy and bombarded by 'ideas' at large shows. There's a huge likelyhood any message would be lost as soon as the next person talks to them. Plus (not saying peco would do this) it's very easy to fob someone off when they are really busy.

It's finding a suitable curved piece of clear plastic that's the problem.

These guys say they just used the packaging the loco came in.

http://www.p4newstreet.com/uh-oh-hes-got-distracted-again.html

It's a method of ensuring that etched plates are fitted accurately. Unless the manufacturer reverts to the old printed plates, I'm not sure how else you can ensure the plates are straight.

You use a simple jig. It's hardly rocket science. I am slightly amused that Dave has done a fantastic job of convincing many of us that it's an insurmountable problem that doesn't actually exist.

How amazing would it be if you owned your own model railway company and just commissioned models you wanted for your own collection/layout!

Loads of people do commission models they want for their own layout. Peterborough north is a fine example of this approach.

A crowdfunded project usually involves taking money up front which is returned if the project fails to reach its funding target by a specified date. So I'm puzzled as to why DJM has tagged this as a crowdfunding when it seems no different to their other live projects, such as the N Gauge King, in asking only for expressions of interest.

This one is a bit different though it appears as Dave said in his opening post "Please note that i have 'taken a flyer' and the model is now in cad/cam stage and i am really hoping that this is completed so i can get 3D resin prints on display at the upcoming Warley 2017 show (no promises though)."

So the cads already started, meaning the research has been done, meaning the discussion on what diagram Dave should do is irrelevant as it's already been researched and cad started!

Perhaps we should focus on what scale he should do instead (n gauge please )

Is one of these a starting point?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ATLAS-EDITIONS-DIECAST-AEC-ERGOMATIC-6-TIPPER-LORRY-EDDIE-STOBART-1-76-NEW/401420467984?epid=1610906201&hash=item5d76863f10:g:g6cAAOSwNd9Z22d0

I do think there should be a driver plus ballast to weight 85 or 90kg at start of race weekend or similar to balance this out.

I believe there is a minimum weight for car and driver. The cars do have ballast weights if the combination is too light.

True but don't they say you shouldn't feed the troll?

Edit - Is great western the same whinger? It was a perfectly valid opinion and a resonable suggestion.

How about you re-mortgage your house and put everything you own into a huge gamble,

How about we all agree that this arguement was stupid the first time and hasn't gained any intelligence behind it since? Consumers in every industry have a right to an opinion without producing the product themselves. Saying something like this adds absolutely nothing to the discussion.

Just look at the first page of the Small Suppliers section. Virtually every thread on there is full of "I've been trying to get in touch for the last XYZ months. Are they still in business?".

 

Jason

Hi Jason.

I had a look at the first page as you said. I could see 2 threads like you describe. Not really "virtually every thread" though.

Hi Jason

I wasn't advocating that Dave stops communicating, just that he communicates via a method that he has more control over. Coopercraft is just one example, there's hundreds of small suppliers who don't have the problem you describe. I think your comparison of DJM to a small supplier is indicative of how many think of them. They are not a small supplier they are a major manufacturer. We should really be looking to realtrack, rapido and Dapol as models if anything with ultimately Hornby, Bachmann and Heljan.

It's interesting that people seem to draw comparison with DJM and smaller suppliers or commissioning stores like hattons. I think that's the fundamental problem

Hi Dave

I know we've discussed this before but if I might offer a suggestion (people are really not going to like this)

Your problem is RMweb. There's a very good reason that other manufacturers are so very rarely on it or just send stuff to Mr York to post. With rmweb or any forum for that matter you are not in control. The nature of a forum allows its members to pull and divert your attention to what they are interested in. Basically you've been spread too thin by the members here so as each of us are particularly interested in different things we just see promises on our topic that go unforfilled while you are no doubt responding to someone else demanding your attention.

You need to manage rather than be reactionary and to do that you need a platform you can control. I know people are going to hate me with a passion for saying this but the best thing you can do for DJmodels is to withdraw from this forum and conduct everything through your own site.

I am not the one moaning about the efforts of others

If you read my post it wasn't really what it was about either.

Something 1mm tall is a glaring design flaw, okay then.

 

bearing in mind all the other correct detail on each individual model I think we can allow them this one, any mass produced item will be a compromise to keep the price within acceptable limits.

 

I would love to see your pictures of your modelling efforts, I am sure they are millimeter perfect. .

Edit. I'm sorry but I haven't seen any of your modelling efforts either. Doesn't mean I'm going to dismiss your opinion though.

If the only utterance you can make on this thread is to throw petulant and insufferable nonsense at the other forum members, it merely demonstrates a paucity of argument.

It does make you wonder just how sycophantic some commentators would be if they actually got a model that was good doesn't it? It might be acceptable to someone but to proclaim it a minuscule miracle when it has a pretty glaring design flaw is a bit OTT.

I will have to replace it with a DJM Class 92 pan when the spares come to fruition as I doubt Bachmann will supply the class 90 pan as a spare.

Have any DJM spares ever seen the light of day? I took that idea as abandoned long ago. At least Bachmann actually do supply some spares.

 

BTW Is the difference between P4/S4 and the fine scale EM used at Pendon in any way noticeable without using a micrometer?

 

The way it was explained to me at a show is it's relative. The gap between a running rail and a check rail is less than the width of the rail head on the real thing and in S4. In EM and OO it's more. Once it was explained like that it was pretty obvious the difference and I sometimes find it harder to tell the difference between scratchbuilt 00 and EM track. I guess it's all about knowing what to look for?

Why not? Your p2 will look stupid on 3ft radius curves anyway.

Absolutely, and I hope you/we are not in a 'minority', Mike.

Seems to be a minority of 1 in this thread at the moment