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    Hornby 42XX/52XX and 72XX any recent upgrades

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    1 hour ago, Miss Prism said:

    There's a few on ebay at the moment.

    Sure if you are talking about the lineside one that's a "batch one"... I've already asked 😀

    Looking forward to a "batch two" cropping up (or a Hornby re-release) 

    (Batches here refer to the Hornby "fixes" and better construction of the model after it's initial 2013 release) nothing to do with the history of the actual locomotive development 

    Cheers 

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    Hornby 42XX/52XX and 72XX any recent upgrades

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    Thanks for all the help Mike. I didn’t know that about the previous CEO of Hornby. Geez. And to think the 72XX and indeed all the other Great Western large tank class (versions) before them that they were derived from, are such iconic steam engines and were so common in and around Wales and south west England. And with all the other trouble with Hornby  getting these models right (and constructed properly!) -yes it seems there was “batch one”, then “batch two”- to rectify the manufacturing issues of batch one - you’d think after all these years with a Welshman at the helm they would have had a few diecast tools of these by now! Heck even a retooling (it’s been a decade since the last) and a few more versions of the vagaries of these wonderful and varied engines. Not to mention some likely different preserved versions. Yes the actual preserved large GW tank  locomotives are few and far between. I get that. Which is a darn shame because they are such awesome machines and amazing examples of living history - but what can you do?! Your absolutely correct. I also get there would be commercial decisions Hornby would have to make. I don’t understand why these tanks aren’t say as popular as a Manor (for example) - and look how many versions there are of those! Now two different manufacturers! But thanks for explaining how there is a way to get around this issue modelling whilst we wait. So thanks to you and everyone for explaining what to do. Cheers. 

    Hornby 42XX/52XX and 72XX any recent upgrades

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    When it came to Hornby models of other models in this thread (42XX/52xx) there is a comment elsewhere about the upgraded batches. Later batches (models were better put together, and had brass bearings etc).. the comment was  "all the R322X batches had these features (were better) The R312X are the originals without brass bearings and with inferior motors."

     

    My question is were there two batches of 72XX and is there any way of telling the difference before actually receiving one (and taking it apart)? 

    Hornby 42XX/52XX and 72XX any recent upgrades

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    ^Hey thanks so much.

    Sorry for annoying you all - but clearly understanding these plates is a major focus on getting the important history of the Collett over Churchward re-build of various locomotives in these classes correct. 
    And Hornby got that part of the detail of R3127 and R3128 right!! 

     

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    Hornby 42XX/52XX and 72XX any recent upgrades

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    Revised description of the currently preserved 72XX locomotives (how they appeared at the time they left service) :

     

    7200 curved drop end, raised running plate over the cylinders, Collett (later) pattern motion bracket. Started life as a later built 42XX (which had become 5275 before conversion into 7200 ) 

    7202 curved drop end, raised running plate over the cylinders, Collett (later) pattern motion bracket. Started life as a later built 42XX (which had become 5277 before conversion into 7202) 

    7229 retained the square drop end, straight running plate over the cylinders, and Churchward motion brackett from an earlier built 42xx (which had become 5264 before conversion into 7229) 😀? LOL

    Hornby 42XX/52XX and 72XX any recent upgrades

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    14 minutes ago, No Decorum said:

    Does this help? The tender versions.

     

    3803 & 2818.jpg

    Those motion brackets look exactly the same to me? 

    @The Stationmaster will be able to tell us. He wrote a piece - like a decade ago on the differences between the Churchard and the later Collet motion brackets but the pictures from the thread (now archived) are no longer available 😔

    Hornby 42XX/52XX and 72XX any recent upgrades

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    34 minutes ago, DCB said:

    The first 20 of the 72XX     7200 to 7219  were the final locomotives of the 42XX class altered before entering traffic to a 2-8-2T which had Raised foot plating,outside steam pipes, short thick motion bracket and pretty much stayed unaltered until withdrawal. The rest were a hotch potch of earlier locomotives and evolved towards the 7200 spec over time. Use a dated photo if modelling 7220 on.    Some 42XX and probably some of the 7220 on series had later cylinders but non raised foot plating having the running plate edge cut away to clear the more bulbous cylinders.    The 42XX at  "Steam" Swindon is one of those .

    Sure.. Have I  been getting my "raised (curved) footplate" vs raised base plate confused?

    I am referring to the part of the baseplate under the boiler directly above the cylinders.

     

    7200 and 7202 are definitely "raised" in recent pictures of the locomotives

    7229 is flat

    According to wikipedia *all* these engines started out as 5205's, though they were originally all 42XX's

    Though all this is a moot point as I'm just after a model that looks like the current 72XX locomotives now..

    Cheers 

     

    Hornby 42XX/52XX and 72XX any recent upgrades

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    So the Hornby models (2013 tooling) or thereabouts  have the basics of plate correct (in principle) 

    The model of 7202 is raised

    The model of 7229 is flat 

    They botched the manufacturer of the model of 7202 thats all.. bending the plastic "to try make it fit" to "look raised". This can be corrected but involves pulling the model apart and shaving bits/cutting cyclinder steam pipes as in this thread : 

     

     

     

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    Hornby 42XX/52XX and 72XX any recent upgrades

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    ^ yep...Further research and after reading the  thread by StationM.. It appears there remain 3 of the 72XX class left "Preserved"

    All seem to be (slowly) being restored 😀

    All of these 3 "preserved" 7200 class originally came (were rebuilt) from 5205’s (these started out as 42XX) during 1930's ie pre war.

    First two from a previous converted Curved baseplate (ie raised over the cylinders) 5205 and the last (7229) from a Straight plated (unraised) over the cylinders 5205

    ie 

    42XX>5205>5275 > 7200 finally converted in August 1934 Curved plate

    42XX>5205>5277> 7202 converted in similar time Curved plate 

    42XX>5205> 5264>7229 in 1936 Straight plate 

     

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    On 23/10/2023 at 21:37, The Stationmaster said:

    Don't forget there were very notocable differences between the original batches of 72XX further confused by later front end rebuilds of some engines.

     

    Although the photos have gone this might be helpful -

     

     

    Wonderful thread - alas archived 

    @The Stationmaster Now 10 years on.. 1/ How do you think this Horby model has played out.. ie fared? 2/ Do you think they will ever do a re-tool (that sorts out the obvious issues? thanks 

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