Heydon18

when I want lessons in internet etiquette I’ll let you know , people will form their opinions no matter what such is the nature of human nature

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Are you offering your time and money as well ? Is that your best contribution ? There should be some clause about anyone feeling they can do anything they like with any steam engine in preservation merely because they own them , they should be protected , they are all special , the north yourkshire moors railway is running out of locomotives . Also right now the Union of South Africa is going to replace Tornado on it’s scheduled railtours as it broke down in April . Soon they won’t be any steam locomotives left to run railtours maybe it’s due partly to European Union regulations , that these locomotives have to pass . If union of South Africa were broken beyond all repair and it wasn’t possible to save her to return to the tracks then yes by all means keep it in a museum, but the attitude here is “ I cannot return her to steam and no one else is going to either “ , that is selfish attitude , why not have an arrangement like Flying Scotsman partly on display at NRM , and then brought out for rail tours . I do not think every avenue has been explored , why not start an appeal to the public like the company that made Tornado asked for donations to help fund parts for the P2 locomotive ? It worked for them , I’m sure it would work for any steam engine should they go cap in hand if necessary ? But no it comes across as shear stuborness on Mr Cameron’s part , and will not explore these avenues to keep 60009 on the rails . ( but I’m sure alll my suggestions like others I have put down here will have scorn poured over them )

I have a problem with anyone who thinks that these lcocs should be treated in this fashion regardless of how much time has been spent and money as though that gives them the right , they are not owners merely custodians of these locos nd people can have a problem with me saying that until their blue in the face . If mr Cameron cannot maintain theses locos then there should be a clause that prevents them being returned forever into static show and therefore deteriorate into such a condition that makes it impossible to return to steam in the future

Besides peple can cricitise me all they want but the fact remains ....years later the Union of South africa could very likely be forgotten about in a railway she somewhere ...i have no personal grudge , and yes i havent contributed like Mr Cameron has have you ? i think not also! I do have a problem with what he is doing with "his " locomotive

I have no personal grudge and didn't realise there was Grammar police on board here

Yes be thankful for the Owner for keeper this loco running , but to allow it to be stuffed in an engine shed is a crime and I don't care what anyone says that "he's free to do as he pleases " anyone remember the state they found Flying Scotsman in before it was brought back to the tracks ? a neglected state . It s a pompous attitude he has for the "Cameron Legacy" a better legacy would be to sell it on so that it can be better preserved not rusting in a museum or a private monument to "his legacy " which quite frankly is narcissistic to say the least . Pete waterman whose LNWR workshop helped to out fit Union of South Africa and went under a massive overhaul in 2010 didn't feel he "owned " Flying Scotsman . If Mr Cameron "does as he pleases " then this loco is doomed to be in a static state for years and to rust . I hope for one that Mr Cameron sees sense before its too late and be allowed for this engine to rust away in museum

I think that this is a very selfish act by Mr Cameron , why doesn't he sell Union of South Africa to someone like the National Railway Museum? since Mallard ( as I understand it correct me if I'm wrong), can no longer grace the tracks and is permanently In static display , they surely have connections with other organisations who could organise rail tours with the proceeds going toward the locomotive's upkeep . As to whether or not Mr Cameron "owns" these locomotives , Wasn't it Pete Waterman on "owning" the Flying Scotsman who said "were not owners of these locomotives , merely custodians of them ". It IS a selfish act depriving further generations of our English heritage , there are always ways , doubtless we have all seen the documentary following the North Yorkshire Moors railway and their difficulties , but they have turned things around and visitors still flock to their railway . I'm sure that Heritage railways such as this in the future will be able to pull resources and have locomotives from other heritage railways making guest appearances. If all locomotive owners felt like this there would be no locomotives at all running the lines Flying Scotsman would never have returned to the rails, and Tornado project would never have got off the ground neither would the P2 project because things like this generate cynicism among prospective backers. You see the even bigger picture of this is the effect it will have to the rest of the heritage community , when they sit around the board meeting table with potential backers , they will see comments that Mr Cameron has made about the up keep of these locos and it could put them off endangering the future of other Heritage railways. We as a Enthusiast community need to keep as many of these fantastic Locomotives "alive" to be proud of them . I sincerely hope that someone comes forward and makes Mr Cameron an offer for these locomotives , and he sees sense and accepts , therefore surely the selling to an organisation that can keep Union of South Africa running while it still is in boiler certificate, and then run it on rail tours to finance the future of not only this fantastic engine but ensure that other locomotives do not suffer a similar fate !