RLWP

2 hours ago, Northroader said:

Help, I read page 16 at breakfast, go out for the day, think I’ll see what’s happening, and Im looking at page 24, in the words of the pub landlord “ain’t you ***** got homes to go to?” I do hope everyone’s taking breaks for sustenance and to lavish some love and attention on your nearest and dearest.

I say, steady on - I went to the pub instead

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2 minutes ago, phil gollin said:

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So, what happens if they produce a 30ft 1" design, but when it is delivered it scales out at 30ft ?

 

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It would be 0.27% too short?

4 minutes ago, RLWP said:

 

The LNWR built both 30' and 30' 1" carriages - they are different (there's a reason and I can't remember what it is)

Here:

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Some authors have omitted the ‘1in’ when describing these carriages, referring to them as simply ‘30ft’. This can be very misleading for two reasons.

 

One is that standard compartment sizes were used and, when adding these together, plus the partitions and ends, they come to 30ft 1in, not 30ft. For modelers (for example) to adjust dimensions in order to arrive at 30ft is making matters more complicated, not easier! The same standard compartment sizes etc. were used in the contemporary eight-wheeled carriages and in that case worked out to exactly 42ft.

 

The second reason for including the 1in in our descriptions is that there was an earlier standard length of 30ft 0in. These carriages which were built in the early to mid-1870s were totally different in design and details, but were still extant a decade or more after the 30ft 1in types were built.

 

There was also a new 30ft 0in underframe used for post-1908 Covered Carriage Trucks and other NPCS as well as the 11-coach Birmingham-Sutton trains of 1911, but this was of a much more modern design made entirely of steel and with bulb-iron solebars.

http://www.lnwrs.org.uk/Sales/portfolio15.php

Mind you, paint them in LCDR livery and I doubt most modellers would tell the difference

Richard

2 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said:

Which rather begs the question as to whether the prototypes were built to that level of consistency.....

 

 

You are assuming the measurement only refers to the length. These are different carriages

If it helps, I can't identify different classes of GWR pannier, they all look the same to me

Richard

2 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

 

So you'll be wanting LNWR style panelling too...

 

 

Yes, because the 30'1" carriage would have LNWR style panelling whilst the 30'0" carriage would have the panelling style of some other company!

The LNWR built both 30' and 30' 1" carriages - they are different (there's a reason and I can't remember what it is)

And no, I'm not bothered about the panelling. A 30' 1" chassis could take all sorts of etched bodies or carriage sides on a flatted down carcase

Richard

Just now, Dunsignalling said:

So everything you own will be imaginary in at least one respect unless you model the Talyllyn.

Would you like to see my Campbeltown and Machrihanish brake van?

Richard

5 minutes ago, The Black Hat said:

If you think pretend carriages are not fun, then you won't like the fictitious engines I have as part of my fleet and they get an overwhelmingly positive reaction too!

Somewhere along the line you missed that I'm also an 009 modeller

Richard

3 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said:

Could you make one two reliably to +/- one scale inch? By eye, not some fancy CAD job.

 

More to the point if one of 30' and one of 30' 1" was standing on a layout, could you tell them apart?

 

John

Oh yes. a 30' carriage looks quite different to a 30' 1"

Completely different class and era

Richard

10 minutes ago, cctransuk said:

 

not least because it will be impossible to produce an accurate item that will fit a donor that never existed.

 

Regards,

John Isherwood.

2 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said:

Just because the donors never existed, it doesn't mean that the models won't be the right size to accommodate etched sides of some that did.

 

John

So, I want these carriages to be a scale 30' 1" long

Richard

4 minutes ago, richarddavies said:

Hi 

 

Disclaimer: I'm MD of Hatton's

 

I am really enjoying this thread. I think the reaction has been incredibly positive. I had expected it to cause a bit of shock - we realise this project is not to everyone's usual taste

 

Some absolutely brilliant feedback on the designs arriving - very proud of the way our team are responding to it too

 

We are huge fans of the "Prototypically literate" term coined by (I think) @Edwardian

 

Looking forward to talking about this with some of you at GETS this weekend - I will be on the stand Saturday & Sunday

 

Thanks to everyone for all their views. I think it's been received rather well 

 

Richard

Hi Richard,

take the horizontal beading off the middle of the end panels, please. That makes them far more valuable for conversion

Otherwise, well done on doing something different. 

Richard

6 minutes ago, HonestTom said:

 

I don't think it's so much that they're for railways people don't know about, but that they're for railways that don't have anything at all, and that are unlikely to get anything ready-to-run in the near future.

But 'anything' does not equal RTR . There is plenty of stuff for even pretty obscure railways, if that's what floats your boat. You're not going to take it out of a box and run it straight away though. And to be fair, I rarely take any modelling item out of a box and use it as is, which I guess confirms I'm not the target market for these

And I'm now remembering (I think) Tebay, a 00 model on the LNWR featured in Railway Modeller in probably the early 70s. ISTR it had a slightly modified LNER B12 to represent an Experiment...

Richard

1 hour ago, wombatofludham said:

Which frankly is why I cannot understand why so many are sneering at this announcement.

I think you are missing the point - I'm not sneering at anything. Good luck to Hattons, these look like they will sell very well

I'm just bemused by the amount of positivity for them being posted on this forum. If they were not-really-BR-standards but painted in BR livery, the'd be torn to pieces here. As they are for railways people don't know much about, they seem to be great

I'm just finding that a bit odd

And as I'm not the target market, it doesn't matter a damn*

Richard

*Actually, it's worse than that - I model in 009 so have no credibility left anyway

1 hour ago, Compound2632 said:

 

... such as painting it red?

I've been sitting on my hands trying not to point that one out...

10 minutes ago, BackRoomBoffin said:

 

As I pointed out, there are stunning railways on the exhibition circuit with region- and railway-specific buildings repainted into other companies' liveries. I just don't see the difference. No one thinks it's 'perfect' or the ultimate goal. Loads of people think it's acceptable and good enough, to get started until eternal tinkering completes the picture with something more accurate.

That's because you have a different approach to modelling to most pre-grouping modellers. That's absolutely fine, this is a hobby, it's supposed to be relaxing and fun

To me, six wheeled pretend carriages are not fun, they aren't for me or I suspect for most modellers of pre-grouping companies. I/they are really, really interested in detail differences between items 

Richard

3 minutes ago, t-b-g said:

 

That is the thing with us pre-grouping modellers. We are either uber anal or we just don't care. there is nothing in between!

 

Plus we only do it because the trains are pretty colours.

 

Sorry chaps, we have been rumbled!

To hell with your pretty colours. All locomotives will be black!

4 minutes ago, woodenhead said:

I really cannot believe that there are people on this site who are very capable of building accurate models of their chosen specific prototype are up in arms because Hattons have chosen to design a range of affordable 4 and 6 wheel coaches.

Not up in arms exactly, just a bit bemused by the reaction.

Richard

2 minutes ago, HonestTom said:

 

The BR market is well-supplied and considerably larger than for any individual pre-Grouping company. For pre-Grouping modellers, there is virtually nothing by way of RTR coaching stock, and for many companies there's nothing at all. I like steak, but if I'm starving I'll settle for mince.

Then you are in luck! I have several Triang clerestories I can sell you

Richard

Just now, PaulRhB said:

It’s just one set of coaches it doesn’t mean they’ve abandoned the normal ranges  

Think of it as their Railroad range  

I'm still finding the reaction here rather odd. Put out a Genesis BR carriage because they all look the same and they'd be torn to pieces

Put out a Genesis 'Pre-Grouping' carriage - yes that's OK. They all look the same apart from the colours. Those 'pre-grouping' guys* will be happy to have anything

And on this forum Tri-ang Clerestory carriages get short shrift, the Hornby S&D carriage is unacceptable and there is a thread running on what is exactly the right chassis to put under an RTR H&BR refrigerated van!

We are a funny lot, railway modellers. Good luck with this Hattons, it looks like they will sell well. As a L&NWR enthusiast I'd only buy them to cut about

Richard

*Whatever they are

10 minutes ago, Bucoops said:

 

I would absolutely LOVE to see accurate late GER 6 wheelers produced by someone.

I wonder if there is an opportunity to get Worsley Works to make GER bodies to fit reworked Hatton's chassis?

Richard

8 minutes ago, timbowilts said:

Have you googled Springside?

Tim T

DA39:

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DA39           GWR metro, 14xx, chimney                  £9.25

http://www.springsidemodels.com/id17.htm

Richard

How do you find working with Vacform, Darius?  I've never tried it but have been curious - it looks like scratchbuilding with some of the difficult shapes done for you

Richard

This is what's giving me a break from railway modelling at the moment:

She's a 1/32 scratchbuilt Neiuport X seaplane that I've been working at on and off for ages. I've already done the floats

It's slowly nearing completion

Richard

27 minutes ago, Darius43 said:

Nice work.  

 

What do you use for the rigging?  I have used Aerovlub stretchy rigging thread in the past but have noticed that it degrades over time, possibly due to UV.

 

Cheers

 

Darius

That's invisible thread with Bob's Buckles eyelets and tubes. I'm just starting to make my own eyelets and experimenting with what size tool to use

The exceptions are bits of copper wire between the ailerons and the horns, and a couple of pieces of flat etch to link the ailerons together from RB Productions. I'm afraid I don't have the rigging diagram for N500, so I used the first size that came to hand...

Richard

Ahh, I'm not the only aero modeller here then!

I just finished this:

It's a Roden kit modified to represent N500

Some bits modified, and a new empennage made:

The Roden kit has a major problem, the fuselage is too short for the production Tripes, there is an aftermarket kit to fix that. The alternative is to make the parts to match the fuselage. I rarely go for the easy option 

Richard

Only @RedgateModels can answer this

Richard