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1 hour ago, GEOEng03 said:

Some of the XC coaches are showing as being in stock on the Hornby website... Can't be long now!

Cheers

Hope so. Rails of Sheffield has updated the photos for the Cross Country Mk3's on the website today with the final samples from Hornby.

On 09/04/2020 at 03:12, saxokid said:

Looks great start to me!!

Im following now

Thank you very much! Hopefully I will have something to share with you soon.

In the meantime here is 43185 waiting to depart on a morning service towards London.

On 09/04/2020 at 15:56, gary_lner said:

For all those Intrested in the XC mk3sd Hornby have released a bumper edition of the engine shed blog with some useful information on it. Running numbers and product codes etc

 

https://www.Hornby.com/uk-en/news/the-engine-shed/easter-egg-cross-country-trains-coaches

 

Regards Gary 

They look lovely. Thank you for sharing. 

On 09/04/2020 at 20:05, Class 158 productions said:

Looking at the images on the engine shed, the previous power cars do not match. They have the wrong cowling anyway but I was hoping to use my old pair in the time the new ones have not been released.

If you look at the real life picture of the TGS with the power car to the left they look a little different as well. Certainly the roof and ends are different shades.

4 hours ago, TomScrut said:

 

At this rate the HSTs are going to outlast the Voyagers!

It certainly heading that way. With two more power cars going to XC it looks like the HST operation is increasing soon.

3 hours ago, JackB95 said:

 

;-) Doesn't take much haha

It really doesn't a 2+3 does come really close.

43 minutes ago, Shaun66 said:

 

Many thanks, I've been trying to get my head around them all to get the correct ones, Hornby don't appear to have much info on them on the website. Wish they had done a formations guide for the various liveries. 

 

Shaun

I tried to put something together on page end 4 using the Hornby website and catalogue for the formations but these don't have the R numbers as such.

14 hours ago, sc2016 said:

 

@43055 Looking at the list of products that are incoming from Hornby on the Rails of Sheffield list it appears that:

1. Only 7 of the 8 GWRs ones are incoming in the next two weeks. The one that's missing is a TGS. 
2. And only 12 of the 18 CrossCountry ones are incoming in the next two weeks. The ones that are missing include a TSD, 2xTS, a TCC & 2xTGS. 

The differences are between what is on the Rails of Sheffield List and the list of coaches from the MK3 SD Announcement.

 

Samuel.

 

Ah ok. I just looked at what I needed to get a full 2+7 set. Hopefully they are not to far behind.

2 hours ago, JackB95 said:

 

Ahhh didn't realise not everything was due in. So for those like myself and a couple of others on here who are modelling XC03 (the first set to come out with the door mods), we'll only be sent a TSD, a TS, and a TFD. The TGS/TS/TS/TCC are all due later... Oh well. 2+3 sets anyone?

Probably still got more seats than a 220.

21 hours ago, JackB95 said:

Rails saying GWR and XC due in the next couple of weeks... Hmmm... 

We will see but it is a nice surprise to see them almost here now if it is this month. Just need to order my XC set now. 

57 minutes ago, Ian Hargrave said:

Rarher confusingly,the latest Hornby newsletter received now advertises the arrival of the earlier,non sliding door version Mk3 in the R47XX range in GWR green.No mention yet of the late 48xX/49XX which the Rails newsletter announced yesterday.These are the ones I imagine most of us will be in the market for and not the ones in the current newsletter.

So caution here I think.

The latest slam door GWR coaches are showing as in stock at Rails of Sheffield.

Edit:

When selecting the coaches for my XC set i have just noticed the TGS is not shown for the Cross Country set. It is showing for the GWR set though.

Here is my current (and first) project that i have very slowly been doing over the last year and a half. Currently unnamed it is a modern image 4 platform terminus along with some carriage sidings and a small shed for light maintenance for the local units. The inspiration came from the idea to start fresh from my old small layout and the aim to run longer trains such as HST's and now 2x4 car 800's. Most of the track and station buildings and shed came from the old layout and have been reused for this layout after some minor changes such as the platforms and station building.

Eventually I hope to have 3 main TOCs which are:

GWR - Long distance London services operated by 800's and the odd 2+6 HST and the sleeper service

XC - Extensions to the core service bring Cross Country service up to 3 times a day (220 or 221)

EMT - Local services provided by 15x's, 170's and 2+4/5 HST.

I have also got a tanker train to bring the fuel which is operated by a GBRF 66 and a pair of 68's for other work like charter trains.

The images below show the station area along with the small shed as well as the lines coming into the station. I am currently working on the wall which will run alongside the staff footpath which goes to the carriage sidings before adding more scenery on both sides. This is seen at the bottom of the first picture and the left of the second picture.

4 hours ago, Legend said:

Have to admit the whole train does look nice . I wonder if anyone can tell us how it runs over uneven trackwork as that was an issue with the first GWR batch which I recall required plastic shims installed . All sorted now? 

I have both the original GWR and the Paddington one and while I had a few problems with the original to begin with I have never had any problems with the Paddington GWR set.

On 23/02/2020 at 10:59, Eddie R v2.0 said:

Not talk, it’s fact. All 26 sets delivered with 4 coaches then any fifth coach will get added later. HA14 was delivered last week which means we now have half the sets now done and delivered. 
 

The sets are being delivered in reverse number order HA26 was first. Sets 1-13 were classics and we still have 4 of those plus the extra sets HA31-33 but these are not getting done. 
 
There are murmurs that the 5th coach will actually now be a TGS as it’s one less door to convert plus space for 6 additional bikes instead of the current 2. This is still to be confirmed so watch this space! 

Thank you for your reply and the information. Wabtec have really stepped up now with 3 sets being delivered this year but that is probably helped by GWR and XC sets coming to an end.

In regards to the LNER packs I have noticed the first one shows a full first class coach on the website. Does this mean the pack is based off a 9 car set and not a 5 car? I know the 'Celebrating Scotland' pack is based off a 9 car set and by the vehicles are given in the catalogue (811104, 813104, 815104, 818104 and 819104) are the same as the first pack (no composite or buffet) but on the website it shows a buffet and composite vehicles on the image. 

Does anyone know what each pack will contain as I would of thought the standard pack would be based off a 5 car set and the 'Celebrating Scotland' have the motor vehicles to save tooling.

There is also talk of all the sets being delivered at 2+4 and then the fifth coach comes later.

12 hours ago, MRDBLUE17 said:

Hi Mick,

 

Its not completely clear from the Catalogue but it’s listed as R4941/A then has the coach description then 45001/45003 so looks like 45001 is R4941 and A is 45003 if it’s printed correctly. 
 

I was trying to work out the Scotrail coaches too as the images so A C and D but not sure where B comes in. Might just have to wait til they come out.

 

hope that helps 

Mark

 

Coach B is the TSD. This is not shown in the catalogue for some reason.

12 hours ago, newbryford said:

 

Hi Mark,

Thanks - It does logically follow from the other XC01/XC03 coach and Hornby R numbers, that R4941A will be 45003, but we are talking about the big H here.................

If I have time I will go and visit JDM and place my order tomorrow.

From looking website the other day were in order of the R numbers.

3 hours ago, Connor43002 said:

Brilliant! Was hoping someone would list the coach numbers  just written down the numbers for XC03 so I know what to order. Gonna be getting two GWR rakes anyways so don't have to worry about the numbers for them, just buy one of each.

Thank you. I couldn't find much up to date info on the GWR sets and the catalogue only showed the four numbers.  

The 2020 Hornby catalogue has vehicle numbers for each model except the Scotrail TSD's:

GWR:

TGS: 49104

TS: 48110, 48131

TSD: 48111

Formation being: 48110, 48111, 48131, 49104 (TS, TSD, TS, TGS) Set GW04?

Scotrail:

TS: 42561, 42562

TSL: 42046, 42045, 42343, 42184

TSD: No numbers on website, Not shown in catalogue.

TGFB: 40601, 40602

From this you can have two sets and two spare TSL's which could possibly be used to make a 5 car set:

TGFB, TSD, TS, TSL, (TSL)

HA25: 40602, 42292, 42562, 42045

HA26: 40601, 42004, 42561, 42046

Cross Country:

TGS: 44021, 44052

TCC: 45001, 45003

TFD: 41193, 41195

TSD: 42366, 42376, 42380, 42371

TS: 42342, 42097, 42377, 42370, 42378, 42036, 42051, 42369

From this you can make two sets and have a few spare vehicles:

TFD, TCC, TS, TS, TS, TSD, TGS

XC01: 41193, 45001, 42342, 42097, 42377, 42366, 44021

XC03: 41195, 45003, 42370, 42378, 42036, 42376, 44052

1 hour ago, 60800 said:

Not seen it noted on here, but the LNER MK3's are slowly being delivered; these have modified bogies with NEM pockets and come fitted with continental style close couplings (regular ones are in the box). I thought it was only the new tool sliding door stock that was recieving this treatment, but a nice surprise regardless. 

 

Cheers,

  60800

The GWR mk3s that came out about a year ago have the same couplings. 

3 hours ago, adb968008 said:

The absence of any ScR liveried mk3’s makes me wonder if they are running yet or if I was just unlucky on 3 occasions (Oct 22nd/23rd/24th and Nov 14th).

ScotRail do post the upgraded sets diagrams on twitter. It is normally around 3-5 out per day.

On 27/09/2019 at 16:58, Connor43002 said:

Now some of the XC ones are showing spring 2020 

Just looked and certainly the XC power cars and coaches now say Summer 2020.

EMT 158773 has joined the club at DEMU showcase this weekend.

On 03/05/2019 at 00:29, adb968008 said:

 

Thats a bit of a piece of string question, as 66’s have been everywhere and done everything, and not just in the UK.. Poland, Holland, France, Germany, Belgium, Sweden, Egypt... They are like grey squirrels.. invaded and took over.

 

It all depends on which 66 you have though, and where & when you want to represent. GBRF tends to be greater in the south, DRS in the north, Freightliner along ports and mainline routes, and EWS everywhere. 

 

Back in the 90’s they ran with whatever they inherited from BR. Increasingly in privatisation their wagons are more reflective of their owners. Thats not to say they dont operate others’s wagons... I was recently at Carlilse watching an engineers train arrive... that being a DRS 66 pulling 2xFreightliner 66’s and a NR track laying train.

 

you probably wont go far wrong with a container train, they seem to run everywhere with every 66 operator, bar Colas, and the containers themselves are usually as mis-match of any transport company you can imagine, so you can get creative. Much of their work is trainload (ie a whole train of near identical stock, often the same colour), for a tank train Just recently Revolution trains made TEA tankers but they've flown out of the doors already.

 

engineers trains are safe bets too.. again anything anywhere, no fixed length of train. Finally and for fun, every 66 operator has put a 66 on a train of BR maroon mk1’s for a railtour !

 

if you want to be exact, then where, when and which 66 would apply,

For more specific, and if you want ideas, google the word “class 66” and the specific class 66’s number, every 66 in the UK has been photographed hundreds of times, or google the location you want and enter “class 66”... if that inspires drop another line here with what youve seen and you’ll be directed exactly where you want to go.

 

I would add Royal Mail is least likely, the class 67’s were specifically built for this work in 1999/2000 but mail stopped going by rail in 2003. Today only a very basic mail operation exists as EMUs between Wembley, Warrington and Glasgow... kind of laid the 67’s to waste ever since.

 

Firstly thank you for your explanation and sorry for not getting back sooner. This gives me a lot better understanding of the use of the 66's and will help me in deciding what I would like and suitable wagons that would go with them. Thank you again.

8 hours ago, Legend said:

 

Don't know how I missed this thread, however, I think the Scotrail TGFB  based on the TGS bodyshell is  wrong . It should be based on a FO bodyshell.  Possibly a revision after these coaches were announced by Hornby , but for Scotrail  the First, Buffet and Guards office are accommodated in the former First Coach not TGS.  I think the others are OK though.

 

I think it may be just a early representation of the livery on the coach. Looking at the XC and GWR liveries as well they both have full coaches on the TGS and the 'fade' to the gray on the other coaches. Also if you look closely you can see a first class logo and line on the standard scot rail coaches.

I think these 66's have been are really good idea and I am considering in getting one.  I would like to make a small rake of waggons with the 66 but I am not sure on what is out there or suitable to go with the 66 and is not to expensive. I am possibly thinking about some tankers or royal mail vehicles. Can anyone point me in the right direction in where I need to look?

On 28/04/2019 at 19:26, Legend said:

Thinking of placing an order for the forthcoming ScotRail 7 Cities HST and associated coaches . I saw one at Eastfield today . A little unsure of the formation and i’ve Looked at Hattons formation guide as well as the Hornby catalogue . From observation it looks like first class and buffet coaches are combined .  However looking st the Hornby catalogue it lists R4907/A as TGFB which is based on the old TGS . it looks to me that this is wrong and instead it should be based on a FO , as there is no guards compartment at the end, certainly not the double doors section at the end of the TGS . So I’m confused . Are there different rakes or has Hornby got it wrong ?

I think it is just a very early representation of the designs for the coach. Looking at the catalog the TSD, TSL and TS pictures look the same as the TGFB just with one half without the livery and a very faint first class line on them. The Hattons diagram does look correct from what I can tell.

1 hour ago, Hilux5972 said:

There was someone on YouTube who found a solution to that problem. On both end units, he had one of the older wide NEM coupling loops plugged in. He then got a paper clip that was looped at each end to form a double hook and that gave enough play to keep them coupled and able to go round curves, 3rd Radius being the minimum at a push I think. It’s annoying that they were designed with a fixed nose coupling pocket but there are ways around it. This is the video. 

 

Yeah. I have done something similar but used the couplings that came with the Hornby GWR MK3's which I replaced and also used a paperclip between the two it does work well but the larger coupling would give you more flexibility on the corners.

On 27/03/2019 at 23:27, charliepetty said:

Over 75% of the East Midland Trains orders have now been shipped to customers, anyone out there who wants one OR have pre-ordered one and not heard from us please contact:  charlie@dckits.co.uk  as we have e.mailed or have dropped a line to 'Every' customer but some have not been in touch yet.

 

Stocks are now limited on this version.      Charlie

Thank you for the very quick delivery of the 156 and for producing them in the first place, definitely worth the wait and cost compared with the Hornby 156. 156405 certainly looks at home alongside 153374 and 153379 on my layout.

On 11/03/2019 at 20:02, phil-b259 said:

 

We have been through this before - there are significant physical differences between the 5 car and 9 car versions so a simple renumber (even if combined with a respray where necessary ) simply won't suffice if you want to have anything like the real thing.

 

Simply adding extra vehicles to a 5 car train pack to make a 9 car rake is no different to sticking a couple of of Mk1 suburban loco hauled stick inside your 2 EPB and calling it a 4 EPB - no amount of renumbering will disguise the fact that result beers only a superficial appearance to a 4EPB.

 

Hornby designed their 5 car 800 series models to be a finely detailed and accurate representation of the real thing - why go and make a half baked 9 car version just to satisfy a minority segment of the market?

 

People should also note that making the extra Pendalio vehicles to make up 9 car sets was greatly facilitated by the fact that the real things were ALL 9 cars from the start anyway! As such the basic 'Train pack vehicles' already were of the correct type and had the correct livery details so the extra cars required for a full rake could easily be made and be 100% accurate.

 

To repeat the exercise with the 800s requires Hornby to tool up / undertake a livery redesign so that they can offer a totally non prototypical 4 / 5 car unit - to which the 'extra' vehicles may be inserted. Not impossible by any means - but not necessarily a good use of time / resources at this particular time - particularly as out on the real railway, you do regulalry get two 5 car units running together which can easily be replicated* with the currently offered train packs.

 

* Assuming there is some form of coupling which can be fitted to the nose of the units.

There is a coupling under the nose cone but it is fixed which means it could cause problems on corners if they are tight. 

On 27/03/2019 at 08:30, ruggedpeak said:

Loads of Azumas being tested on ECML yesterday,  saw at least 5 on way to York.

There is about 4-5 test run diagrams a day at the moment some Have even done some testing between Newcastle and Edinburgh over the last two weeks.

On 09/02/2019 at 18:02, Connor43002 said:

What do we think the likelihood is of Hornby doing a Class 802 in GWR livery?

 

Just curious as I model Cornwall and currently have 800003 on pre-order. I would be tempted to cancel my pre-order of 800003 if Hornby were to announce a GWR class 802 as it is more prototypical to my region.

 

Though 802s are designed for the south west the 800's are no stranger to the area as well but it's up to you.

On 11/02/2019 at 20:39, SteveC32 said:

 

Hornby are aware of the demand for a 9 car IET. My money is on it being provided in the same way as the Pendolino’s were, additional carriage packs to make a 5 car a 9 car (for the cost reasons quoted earlier in this topic).

That would probably be the best way to do it if people want to extend there 800s. My layout won't take a full 9 car but a 7 car would be good with a extra first class and standard class coach. (I know the 9 car sets don't have a composite coach). 

3 hours ago, scoobyra said: