CloggyDog

You could get away with it as a later rebodied d 1/108 (new bodies without top flaps), though I recall those date from 1968-ish onwards.

Not sure they were allocated a new diagram number?

Re the tie down shackles.

I collected a set of Wizard "bolster wagon stanchions and shackles" ref ABW from Andrew at the NEC over the weekend to see how they were sizewise for the trestrol, (and other wagons with similar shackles).

These are an etched fret of 8, which regrettably turned out to be too large, but all is not lost, as the conversation I had included the proviso that if they turned out to be incorrect, Andrew would look at manufacturing the correct sized ones if I could provide the details and drawing. So I will be seeing him at Wakefield exhibition this weekend armed with said info, so watch this space.

 

Mike.

Mike/all,

Ambis Engineering also do similar shackles and turnbolts for wagon loads, in 'big' and 'small' sizes for 4mm. Combined with some fine chain, they do add that finishing touch to loaded bolsters, trestrols and the like.

Reading the thread above, my trestrol EC was a simple cut 'n' shut lengthening job. I left the bogies well alone, apart from fitting better buffers (ABS self-contains) and EM gauge 12mm 3-hole discs running in brass bearings. (and we've never had a problem with buffer height when running it on the layout). The trestle was an exercise in plastrut and microstrip!

I also wasn't aware that the important bit of Cyclops had been saved... must plan a trip to the ELR, assuming it's accessible/viewable??

Cheers,

Erm... picked up the Hornby mag today to get the pre-order gen...

Noted as a diag 1/556 tender, 14mm wheels confirmed.

'Liveries planned for the initial batches are:

B964003 (all green)

B964010 (green small panel)

B964019 (green 'large' panel)

B964033 (blue 'large panel')

Which all tally with the 1/556 info and pics a number of people have readily and willingly supplied

However... given the CADs here and in the mag clearly show a short/rounded body on Gresley 8'6" bogies.... anyone else spot the fatal flaw??

*headdesk*

2 questions:

1. will the correct 14mm coach disc wheels be fitted? (thinking of the faff required to get them in the Stove)

2. have the bogies been designed with EM/P4 modellers in mind?

I stretched a Triang one some years back and added the trestle from Plastrut and microstrip (based on the drawing in the 1958 RM), plus plate load.

It gets a regular outing on Shirebeck (East Midlands 1970s in EM gauge), even though (from the info earlier in the thread) it had likely been hacked about by the layout's timeframe. 

I've always had great service from Andreas Nothaft - direct ordering for the UK is easy!

http://www.andreas-nothaft.de/

I have 4 BR diagrams:

1/555 Short/Gresley - 32'6" over buffers, Gresley 8'6" bogies at 15'3" centres, Lot 3446 (which would be valid only for DE320922/B964036 Cowlairs 1961) but 1/555 also covers B964038-105/112-121 which is bourne out by photographic evidence. The lower bodyside has a tumblehome.

1/556 Long/Stanier - 35'6" over buffers, Stanier 9' bogies at 15'3" centres. Lot 3442 B964000-4, Lot 3443 B964005-19, Part Lot 3444 B964020-028, part lot 3445 B964031-34, all bourne out by photos. Lower bodyside is flat.

1/557 Short/Stanier? - 32'6" over buffers, Stanier 9' bogies at 15'3" centres. Part Lot 3444 B964029, Part Lot 3445 B964030. However... I've seen at least 3 references which report that these were actually on 8'6" BR1 bogies (the BR Mk1 coach bogie) but this is unproven by photographic evidence.

1/558 - the 6 angular tenders built by Stratford works, 31'9" over buffers, 8' Gresley bogies at 15' centres. Lot 3449 B964106-111

Basically you should not use the same body for Gresley and Stanier bogies, there's a 3' difference in length as well as the tumblehome/flat side issue.

I can't see the new CAD drawings (that's TfL's wonderful internet filters for you), so will comment further when I see them at home this evening.

On the face of it, simply substituting Stanier bogies would produce Diagrams 1/556 and 1/557.

 

Let the barrage commence !!

 

Regards,

John Isherwood.

Sorry John, but the Stanier-bogied ones were some 2ft longer to accommodate the longer bogies.

And the 2 1/557s (B964029/030) have long been alleged to ride on BR1 bogies (mentioned in various sources), though the BR diagram for 1/557 shows 9' wheelbase bogies. But under the shorter body, the outer ends of the LMS bogies would protrude almost ahead of the buffer faces?? I think the BR diagram is wrong A photo would solve the riddle, but neither '029 or '030 have appeared thus far. If anyone knows different...

I've also just PM'd DD and MW the latest version of the Brake Tender piece I did for DEMU (which also appeared as an EMGS sheet, IIRC) as I'd like an accurate RTR model or three (especially if I could just drop EM wheels in! *he hinted*)