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Strange names - one appears to be named after a South African president (but carries the mark of Zorro), the other for the lowest unoccupied molecular orbital, at least none after its companion the highest occupied molecular orbital!

As to date, the caption / file name suggests 1964.

Are these the ones you are seeking?

The grass mat in the adjacent field looks a bit unrealistic?

Ah, I hadn't thought of that. Thank you.

I'm interested to know what the device to the right of the loco is, it appears to be electrically powered. Can anyone enlighten me please? (Looks like a useful stand for oil cans if nothing else, or are they paraffin, and cotton waste on the end box, for loco cleaning?).

Having looked at the film, I wouldn't have wanted to be the bloke leaning across the haulage cables, lubricating them where they passed over the top of the frame - if a cable broke he'd be a goner.

OT but yes, I remember that, the recovery was reported in one of the magazines. The loco ran off the end of the up goods loop I think nearer London, just before a major road underbridge and ended up partly on its side propped up by trees. The recovery required one or two 47s to pull it back onto a sleeper base extended beyond the sand drag, two or three 47s to ballast the tracks on the mainline to which an additional tow cable was attached to prevent the 31 rolling further down the slope. The recovery gear was Kelbus if I remember rightly. Quick search came up with this -

If my family is anything to go by it is Nana, my grandmother on my mother's side was Nana, on Dad's it was always Granny (Gran when I was older). Great stuff all of this, I never had 0, nor Hornby Dublo, Grandad (mother's side) bought me my first trainset when I was not quite 4, a Tri-ang clockwork 0-6-0 saddle tank and 2 coaches. A friend had Hornby 0, I remember the three rail and a lamp in the front (didn't know it was the smokebox door at that age). A later school friend had Hornby 00 three rail, I used to feel a bit second class as his trains were metal and mine were plastic. Such was life aged about 6!

J195, there's a lot of interesting and useful detail in the backdrop to this photo; the mixed building materials in the same building, street lamp (electric or gas, that box on the post - anyone know?) behind the boundary wall, shrubbery along the cutting side and the signal with subsidiary arm tucked into the bank above the retaining wall, super. And J1609, took me a while to detect the culvert, hiding among the trees, it's great your Dad thought to catch such scenes, the minor details that contribute to the whole.

J3119, the bridge at Walberswick - this was originially a swing bridge iirc, and was blown up in the war as it was in an area vulnerable to invasion.

Maybe because the patron saint of miners is St Barbara? (Also patron saint of engineers in the original sense of military engineers).

Would a diesel hybrid be allowed through the long tunnels of HS2? I understood that a proposal to use hybrids on HS1 to provide St Pancras to Hastings via Ashford services was a no-go as diesel fuel was prohibited through the Thames and London tunnels?

That looks good, what paint did you use please? I'd like to try something similar on my new OO layout (currently thinking of using double sided tape and dyed sawdust / fine ballast as I did with N gauge nearly 40 years ago). Your crane - Dinky? I have had a 6 wheel lorry mounted Coles crane by Dinky since I was about 5 (was always mad on cranes), bought for me at the end of a week's holiday in Broadstairs from a shop near the beach. M&D thought I had been pointing to a much smaller and cheaper model as we passed each day and promised I could have it at the end of the holiday. They did buy the expensive one after all, it must have been a great strain on their finances I later realised. You never think about the sacrifices your parents make when you are young.

41611 seems to have a very shapely, Maunsell inspired, chimney - off a D1 perhaps? I like your approach to ballast.

One for the 'when the real thing looks like a model' thread - the scenery on the left looks contrived, to hide the fiddle yard behind the industrial sidings on the viewing side. A wonderful prototype for anything photo! Did the expanding quarry remove an exisiting hill continuing to the right of the main line, or were the lines built by competing companies. I'm afraid this is an area of England I don't know much about, nor its railway history.

There's been a few million years of erosion since the Cretaceous to thank for that.

Nice photo C5034, the train is crossing the Luton Arches. 2EPB in the lead as you say, the second unit looks like a 2HAP - you can see the water pipes along the roof to the toilet tanks.

Two sets of plates, lower ones are under the road deck forming the main load bearing structure, the upper ones form the road parapets but also contribute to the strength of the girders?

Interesting that the use of the cantrail stripes was a UIC invention. I had always - erroneously - thought that in the UK it was a development from the GER 'jazz' stock colours. I had read somewhere years ago that at the beginning of the blackout in ww2 the Southern painted some 1st class doors on suburban EMUs yellow, it was not perpetuated when all suburban EMUs were made 2nd class only. I'm aware that from early times many European railway administrations painted carriages different colours according to class, leading to some odd half and half schemes for e.g. KPEV composites. Post war DB painted 1sts blue, 2nds green and restaurant cars red (as in the old Mitropa colour), leading to vehicles with catering and 2nd class seating being 1/2 red, 1/2 green. When was the UIC scheme introduced? Presumably those with red / green colourblindness would not have benefitted from some combinations?

Agreed, I confess to looking at pictures more readily than reading text!

OT as it is earlier than the period in question, but intrigued by this question I found that for a few years in the 1880s the PS Carrier "floating railway", originally built for the Tay crossing was used to convey wagons from Langstone Harbour to St Helens wharf. Some fish traffic was still carried in the Southern Railway period as A. B. MacLeod had several LBSCR 10T vans lettered for fish traffic, previously fish had been carried in the luggage compartments of passenger carriages, leading to complaints from passengers of their luggage smelling of fish. (Rails in the Isle of Wight, P.C. Allen and A. B. MacLeod).

J2804, I was puzzled by the odd looking car on the right, strange back end, then realised it is pulling a trailer! The snow scenes made me want to turn my collar up! They've caught the atmosphere well.

I have looked again at Paul's web page, he does state the slope sided wagons were for coal not ore. I missed that at first viewing so between you and him I've learned something new, thanks. Also found that Bachmann did a model of this wagon type (as well as the more common side door ones). This thread of Dave's, and the comments thereon, are proving to be a mine of information.

They look like the Charles Roberts slope sided ones made for the MoS in the war, Paul Bartlett has photos on his website: https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/bscotippler