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5 hours ago, Ruston said:

Probably to restrict the flow of air over the radiator. The radiator would probably over-cool in cold weather, especially if the loco was only working intermittently, so restricting the amount of air passing through it would get the engine up to temperature faster.

Ah that makes sense thanks 😊 

On 17/06/2016 at 20:05, Ruston said:

There does appear to be quite some interest in the 48DS so here's a rivet-counter's guide to the type.

 

All photos are from my collection and are Ruston & Hornsby official photos, taken by their photographer in Lincoln works and on site at customers' premises.

 

Before locos were given the classification of DS (diesel shunter - standard gauge) and DL (diesel locomotive - narrow gauge), all Ruston locos were classified by horsepower. The progenitor of the 48DS was the 44/48HP type.

 

The first was w/n 177530, built in 1936 and supplied to H.J. Heinz  for their Willesden works. How many millions of baked beans would have been hauled by this loco?

The frames, running gear and brake gear were the same as subsequent locos but the engine covers and fuel tank were based on narrow gauge practice.

 

 

The first production 44/48HP loco was w/n 182148, built in 1937 and supplied to H. Newsum, Sons & Co. Ltd, joinery and moulding manfrs. of Lincoln. It is seen here in the Boultham works yard before final finishing and delivery.

The cab is similar to the previous loco but the new engine covers are an all-new design. Note how thin the buffer shanks and their tapered housings are when compared to later locos with their parallel buffers.

 

Another 44/48HP loco, w/n 186309, built in 1937 and delivered to British Electro-Metalurgical Co. Ltd. for their Wincobank (Sheffield) works.

Seen here at Wincobank.

 

in 1941 the new classification system was introduced and these locos became 48DS. The engines were Rustons' own 4VRO unit and the cab was redesigned. The wheel diameter was previously 2ft. 3in. although 2ft. 6in. could be specified but from now on 2ft. 6in. would be the standard. Here we have w/n 235514, built in 1945 and delivered to The Anderston Foundry at Port Clarence.

The block buffers were a special fitting and most had sprung buffers. Note the lining of black and cream.

 

In 1946 the VRO engine was replaced by the VRH, which had redesigned cylinder heads, aluminium alloy pistons and a higher running speed. Externally the cab was redesigned to be enclosed. The lining was also changed to cream and light green. Here we have an unidentified 48DS of the late 1940s, pictured in the works yard at Lincoln. Note that the sign-written RUSTON on the front has been replaced by a cast aluminium plate.

 

w/n 402808, built 1956 and delivered to Harrison Bros. Atlas Foundry in Middlesborough.

Slight visual changes are the replacement of the Ruston crests (transfers) on the cabsides by cast RH plates. Also, the windows fore and aft have a rubber beading to hold them in instead of a metal frame. The cab side windows are now of the drop variety. Note the deeper buffer beam and how the pattern of lining has changed.

 

w/n 411318, built in 1957 for Middlesborough Estates Ltd. Cargofleet timber yard.  Internally, the VRH engines had been replaced by the all-new 4YCL units.

The buffers are a special fitting.

 

If people are interested I could do something similar for the 88Ds type...

Does anyone know why the radiator appears to be half obscured at the bottom?

I am guessing to stop timber dust settling in there but would like to know for sure, if anyone can shed any light?

Thanks

Tim

Incredible stuff, the bogie/frame weathering is superb

Looks great! The sugar beat load came out really well, I am following with interest.
I’m still planning my layout in a similar concept to this so lots of food for thought 👍

Depending on how Bearman does there will be even more worried drivers than when Lawson landed!

Lawson’s Landing sounds like an On30 micro layout 🤣

Thanks all, I think I am back to largely box vans. 
 

My layout is era 4 with a 48DS (lined green) for motive power, so I could maybe get away with a coal wagon for a boiler house?

I am planning to do some shunting (inglenook style) so would like some variety if possible.

But of course rule 1 does apply :)

@sirbud thanks for the video, I am planning a covered unloading platform which I believe they had

Thanks

Tim

Hi all hopefully this is the right place for this, I am planning a layout depicting a biscuit factory in the early BR period.

I don’t have much rolling stock and I am making deliberate appropriate purchases. With this in mind, would a factory get their milk in a 6 wheel tanker or in churns in an open wagon etc?

I am not sure a biscuit factory would have a method of extracting the milk from the 6 wheeled tanker but I am happy to be enlightened 

Thanks in advance 

Tim

Thanks all, I think I have enough to make a start now 

I have a Fleischmann 7000 0-4-0 chassis and an optional pony truck if I go for 0-4-2 which I likely will

Thanks again

Tim

Hi all, hopefully this is the right place to ask this,

I have looked everywhere online for scale drawings of a little 0-4-0 / 0-4-2 Porter for me to scratch build in 009/hon30

this style

unfortunately I have drawn a blank, can anyone shed any light on dimensions or a source for a scale drawing anywhere please?

Thanks in advance! 

Tim

That is very interesting thank you, I did manage to get another lined green 48DS

but that is a very interesting photo thanks, I think I recognise the clock tower in the background!

Thanks again everyone these responses are really useful. 
I think I will proceed as planned with the brickworks, but be mindful of what to include. The beauty of it is, as @Nearholmer has said, there was a huge range of works, and so I can create a backstory to suit my layout. 
I am trying to keep my costs low at the moment too and seeing Cherry Orchard Lane as a real example, its not un-prototypical to have the loco pulling 3 or 4 wagons only.

Thanks again

Tim

6 hours ago, Nearholmer said:

True where the pit was a “hole in the ground” style pit, but not so if the excavation was into rising ground, or on a flat field.

 

There was also at least one, Napton-on-the-Hill, where the “pit” was at the top of a hill, and the brickworks way down below, so there was an incline down from the pit to the works.

 

Sites where the pit/field was remote from the works I think make for more interesting reality and models, because  there is a bit of “route” between the two. That was what made Cherry Orchard Lane so nice, the fact that the track crossed the road, then rambled along behind a hedgerow for some distance to get to where clay was dug.

 

 

This is what drew me to that site, a nice short, but interesting journey from field to workshop.

I need to learn more about what happened at the site too. The brick earth is transported from the field to the tipping shed and then what?

I have seen some people model trains if bricks leaving but at Cherry Orchard Lane it seemed as though the brick earth arrived by train but bricks would have left by road?

Thanks again

Tim

Thanks all some really good informative responses. I think I will proceed with a small brickworks. 
I am planning a small layout in 0-16.5 as my first foray so it will likely depict the loco bringing the clay/brick earth to the sheds (though I need to figure out what that will look like) and the brick field and excavator will be off scene.

I had considered a Fluorspar mine but I have no idea how to model it.

42 minutes ago, sir douglas said:

There was a 2ft quarry line that ran North from Newbridge on the NYMR, you could imagine it as clay instead of sand

https://www.irsociety.co.uk/Archives/11/sandstone_from_saintoft.htm

Thats a brilliant prototype I had never known existed!

 I’m off to investigate 

Thanks very much 👍

Tim

Thanks both very useful to know, I am planning on it being modern enough to have a steam/electric/diesel powered shovel so should be good for all year round production?

@Nearholmer yes please any other information would be greatly appreciated regarding the common practices in brickworks and the use of steam shovels etc.

My layout will be ‘inspired by’ rather than a specific prototype, possibly based in North Yorkshire!

Thanks

Tim

Hi all hope you’re all doing well

I am trying my hand at 0-16.5 and have a Ransomes and Rapier 80 kit which I intend to pair with a few V skips and make a small brick works in the mid to late 90s in a very similar vein to this prototype 

http://www.ingr.co.uk/rly_cherry.html

however whilst doing some research I came across multiple references to brickworks being very seasonal. It seems this was certainly the case in the mid Victorian period but does anyone know if brickworks became all year round?

ideally I would like to be able to run the layout anywhere between the 50s to the 90s. 
 

as the loco is from 1937 and the skips are not timebound I should be able to but I am a bit put off if it would only part of the year etc

any info would be greatly appreciated 

or if someone can suggest another interesting prototype to use the aforementioned stock and loco I’d be happy to consider it - I am currently staring down the barrel of a brickworks in 0-16.5 and another in 009 🤣

Thanks

Tim

On 08/12/2023 at 09:26, 009 micro modeller said:

If you did still want to do 09 some of the skips might be suitable, depending on the size.

Thanks, I have seen some very small tubs/skips in the past. Mine are Dundas/Nigel Brooks 3d printed ones (which are superior to the Dundas ones IMO) they’re the Hudson ‘V’ tippers.

On 08/12/2023 at 09:18, ColinK said:

Looking forward to seeing your brickworks, or pipeworks or ….

Thanks, I am also working on a 00 biscuit factory shelf layout, 3-2-2 shelves inglenook track plan

Thanks again for all the replies, I have decided to go for a 009 brickworks. I already have 009 skips and track and a track plan, which I will at some point get around to making.
The track plan will use 5 of the 6 009 turn outs I have and 3 out of the 4 yards of flexi track.

so thats an end of it…

or is it?

I have found out about the 

John Knowle's Mount Pleasant Pipe-works at Woodville in Derbyshire

this firm had its own internal 18” gauge railway, so a potential 09 micro layout with one turnout could be on the horizon!

Thanks again

Tim

16 hours ago, Mike Bellamy said:

There has been a local layout based on the Pipeworks but I can't find photos at the moment. However some other links below may help

 

7mmNGA picture galley of O-9 layouts  https://7mmnga.org.uk/galleryO-9.php

 

The Brickworks which I think is O-14   https://7mmnga.org.uk/view_gallery.php?gallery=9

 

Mynydd Mawr brick works Standard 7mm and O-16.5 by Don Mason (known as Member Number One as he founded the 7mmNGA with an advert in Railway Modeller in 1979)

https://7mmnga.org.uk/view_gallery.php?gallery=43

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Great thanks 🙏 

15 hours ago, Nearholmer said:

If, as seems the case, you are prepared to encompass 18” gauge, the field becomes very fertile, certainly compared with 15” for genuine “industrial” use. If you are prepared/able to splash out a bit, Mark Smither’s book on locomotive worked 18” steam railways is the best single source, almost certainly definitive given the work he put into it. Coming down progressively to lines that were worked by horses, internal combustion locos, battery locos, and by hand, there is a lot of inspiration to choose from, so many that it’s difficult to know where to start. Anyway, a random list from SE England ‘off the top of my head’;

 

- a wide range of military and military production and construction uses;

 

- coal from river barges or standard gauge siding to water pumping station;

 

- clay pit to brick, tile, pottery, or pipe works;

 

- poultry farming;

 

- market gardening;

 

- watercress farming;

 

- gypsum mining;

 

- hearthstone and whiting-stone mining;

 

- fuller’s earth mining;

 

- storage of museum artifacts in old stone mines during wartime;

 

- storage of ‘bonded goods’ (alcohol and tobacco) in old stone mines during peacetime;

 

- mushroom growing in old stone mines;

 

- a very mysterious WW2 line into caves (probably former stone mines), which is suspected to have been used to store royal archive material, but may have had something to do with the SE Battle Group command centre;

 

- “alley and archway” systems in urban areas to serve factories and warehouses;

 

- internal transport of materials at major railway works (Wolverton, which I admit is pushing the SE England boundary a bit).

 

18” was never anything like as widely used as 24”, but it did have a niche, especially where space was very cramped.

 

 

That is very interesting thanks, must have been a lot of mushrooms!

Apologies for reviving an older thread but does anyone know if the Meridian Ruston Hornsby 27/32HP kit is produced by Mosskito or anyone else? 
 

Thanks

Tim

1 hour ago, john new said:

Something I forgot earlier. When originally built the N G/miniature tracks at the lavender farm just off the A64 east of Malton ran tourist trains but also used the line for bringing the crop in to the processing plant (distillery?). I am not 100% certain of the name and there is more than one probably Wolds Way Lavender.

Thanks, a distillery railway would definitely be of interest, I will look in to that 👍

1 hour ago, 009 micro modeller said:

My local one (2’ gauge) which I mentioned is here, and my 009 model of it here (photo and blog courtesy of @Phil Parker but I still have my own photos somewhere). The more well-known watercress operation in the UK, which also continued until fairly recently (it might still operate in a limited way) was the Sylvasprings/Vitacress one at Bere Regis in Dorset, which in contrast to the smaller watercress lines such as those in Hertfordshire was loco-worked (they also had a smaller operation elsewhere in Dorset with powered trolleys, which I think could be set in motion to run driverless along the line until knocked out of gear by a ramp in the track). Possibly of particular interest given your 09 idea, since Sylvasprings is 18” gauge.

 

Other industries worth looking at in general are peat (now virtually all gone for environmental reasons, but still using railways up until the end) and the Forest of Dean free mines (though these were always hand and cable-hauled, not loco). I’ve had a go at something loosely inspired by these in 009 but might have a more serious attempt in future, and possibly in 09 where the small wagons can be modelled more easily. They have used various gauges including 2’, 18” and I think 20” or 21”. This gives a rough idea but there are more photos online or in books: http://www.ingr.co.uk/vids_dig31.html 

 

Anything involving specialist mining or tunnel construction is potentially still of interest (Northern line Battersea extension and Crossrail construction involved a narrow gauge railway, for instance*). I don’t think Honister slate mine railway is in use any more but it did continue into the 21st century. Finally and perhaps a bit more randomly I really like Littlethorpe Pottery, but I’m not sure whether the railway is still used partly to illustrate the history of the site and the ceramics process rather than as a purely industrial operation. Littlethorpe again is 18” gauge.

 

 

*as if we needed another narrow gauge railway from Paddington to Whitechapel…

Thanks that is really interesting, especially the watercress lines, I had heard of nurseries using lines but not specifically watercress, another one for my research list - beats watching the telly 🙂

1 hour ago, john new said:

Plenty of military narrow gauge of around the 18” gauge, albeit a lot was for hand pushed trolleys for ammo etc., from store to gun. 
My sketch plan of the tracks at High Angle Battery on Portland - plenty about it on line with photos. Also two others locally for carrying torpedoes out for test firing. One along the Breakwater the other on a pier.

 
This is the one on the Breakwater still in situ in 2011, from memory though it was 2ft gauge. My image/copyright.

Thats really interesting thank you