ForeverAutumn

I'm still trying to find a more hill type landscape at the moment, for now where I'm at might suffice

Right, so I think I found the general location for the line, I'd say it would stem off south of Wolverhampton, maybe just between there and Dudley. Then it would head west along its line connecting to the mainlines of the GWR and LNWR. Of course I will change it based on the logic of where its at, I may begin the lines rough sketches soon.

Of course, of course, I got to be honest I'm having lots of fun making the lore of this railway compared to building it so far!

As for location I am currently split between the suggestion of Tuffley Junction or going for something possibly between Birmingham and Wolverhampton. Not quite sure how long I would imagine a railway like this being but if its meant to go to Wales it's probably a decent length.

I think I should start making a basic timeline of this place. If this were to end up in Welsh land like my original idea then it would have to cross an already existing joint railway which I doubt makes any sense.

I sincerely hope this makes sense and I doubt sound like a fool.

Intriguing, I should definitely find some use in it!

16 minutes ago, lezz01 said:

Look for the 1920 track plan. If you have access to "An Historical Survey of the Midland In Gloucestershire" by Peter Smith published by OPC ISBN 0-86093-301-6. Tuffley Junction is on page 28. Also you can find it on this site.

 https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=18&lat=51.84104&lon=-2.24473&layers=206&b=1

Enjoy!

Regards Lez. 

That design looks way more appealing! Now I can see where you were coming from.

5 hours ago, lezz01 said:

If you have room and don't need to have a station then Tuffley Junction on the Midland line in Gloucestershire would be a good choice. It's where the line from Gloucester docks via Hempstead joins the main line on the midland side and has the GWR running parallel to it. It even has a road over bridge running across at an angle on the left hand side for an exit. No station but if you just want to watch the trains go by it would make a good layout. There's even a couple of sidings for a spot of shunting, a loop for the docks branch and the main lines give you the scope for running large LMS and GWR engines. If I had the room I would be tempted myself.

Regards Lez.   

It's definitely tempting! I'll consider it.

3 hours ago, Nick Holliday said:

I've no axe to grind about my suggestion, but, just out of interest, what do you mean by "a direct connection to the larger companies"?

I should've been more clear on that, by that I meant a junction to the joint companies that built it.

4 minutes ago, Harlequin said:

The danger is that working out the lore might be wasted if you haven’t got enough space to then represent the place(s) you’ve invented...

You might need a space at least the size of a double garage to hold what you’ve described at 4mm scale.

Oh don't worry, I'm not doing everything I'm describing, I'm putting forth ideas currently.

besides it's quite fun coming up with this sort of lore.

5 minutes ago, Harlequin said:

How big can the layout be, @ForeverAutumn? And what scale will it be?

 

Not sure of space yet, all I know it'll probably be 4mm so I can have my mate run his stock on it.

This is only the very early planning stages, just trying to figure out the lore before I get building.

I think I definitely have enough inspiration for the starts of the line, now where should something like the collieries go? or the harbor and mill.

13 hours ago, Nick Holliday said:

There were at least two LNWR and GWR joint railways - Shrewsbury & Hereford and the Birkenhead Railways. They almost meet your criteria, but if you want a fictitious line, you could assume that there the section connecting the ends of these two was built jointly too.

Another good idea, however i was thinking more a direct connection to the larger companies, 

11 hours ago, Aire Head said:

The GWR and LMS both operated into Market Drayton. The GWR used the route to gain access to Crewe so perhaps somewhere around that area?

Seems like a decent spot! ill remember it for later.

one thing worth mentioning; this line should be fairly north, it has a deal with a line (created by a friend who has been helping me with this) outside of Crewe, so should at least been in a close proximity to that.

@KeithMacdonald I had no idea a site like that even existed! that'll definitely be helpful!

Cheers,

Definitely will be! I couldn't dream of doing the entire thing, was thinking of just the terminus, mill, and some countryside.

I am aware of some existing joint companies, very basic knowledge of course but they will definitely make good inspiration.

So I have a few GWR and LMS engines in my collection and I want to make a layout for both to be able to run on them at some point, so a friend of mine suggested a joint railway of sorts, problem is I don't know much when it comes to joint railways or where to even put this thing. May extend the history of this back into the LNWR/GWR period for this to have more to it.

The basic idea is it has a harbor, steel mill, a few more industrial facilities nearby, and two collieries, the first opening early on and running dry requiring coal import to its mills, and the second being found later on, about later grouping era. I wanted to go for something that would go through a very hilly landscape, perhaps this would start in England then as it climbs would head into Wales. (One thing I need to make sure of is that I don't collide with other lines where I shouldn't be, Apart from its links to its jointed companies of course.)

At the moment however I am struggling to find a suitable location for this line, as well as a realistic history. This is my first time with this sort of thing, and will take any tips/knowledge I can get.

(Forgive if the topic this is in isn't quite suitable, I didn't really know where else to put this.)

On 26/11/2020 at 13:02, Going Spare said:

If you need a fall-back for the boiler steam pipe, check out part L7358 from the UK-made A1/A3 at Peters Spares. 

Sorry! got caught with work and forgot update this thread. happy new year.

unfortunately Peter's Spares isn't an option, the international shipping price is beyond what I would call reasonable.
Patrick

Splendid idea, should make some good practice as well.

Very good to know then, that'll save some work.

Now I recall it being said that the long pipe needed to be moved to the left side, I doubt I'll be able to move a tiny plastic line from one end to the other, are there any spares of the boiler pipe or any manufactured ones someone could point me to? 

30 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said:

 

People think it's a mould line, it's not, it should be there.

 

Obviously not on the smokebox and chimney/dome/etc. But it's the gap in the plates that make up the cladding. 

 

It's difficult to see properly as you are normally ground level. But clearly visible here.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/19/flying-scotsman-restoration-nearing-completion

 

 

 

Jason

 

Interesting, I never knew that,

I should have been more clear just to double check we're referring to the same line have this poorly lit photo:

Now did FS have a different livery in this time period? At the moment I am looking for a good colour to use, 

Also a good time to ask but is there any way to get rid of the nasty seam line on Scotsman?

48 minutes ago, doilum said:

A great photo, but is it my imagination or has the cab door area been restored to the 1928 shape? 

It is not exactly the 1967 version of him it was the closest I could find of his water tender roof.

1 hour ago, doilum said:

" box things" are the A3 superheaters ( try Precision Paints for castings). The loco is now left hand drive so the pipe on the right side moves to the left as does the reversing lever. It will also need a banjo dome and modifications to the cab door area. I have not seen one but perhaps someone can point you to a photo of the top of the water tender. The ancient Triang Scotsman had the corridor tender and this might be a good starting point. The important thing is to enjoy the learning journey!

It'll definitely be a learning experience! thank you for the helpful information. as for the water tender I found the closest picture I coul get and it doesn't seem too hard all that it will need is some card to cover the top then then to make a wall around the existing water cap.

Hullo,

I've had this Railroad Flying Scotsman for almost a year now, it was my first step into the world of British modelling, now I want to modify and detail it, the version of Scotsman I always liked the most was his 1967 condition (see second image) and I wanted to know what I should do to make him accurate to that era (apart from adding maybe the odd box things on his smokebox which I assume is for the smoke deflectors), I know he had the water tender around this time, would love tips on how to make one of them, as well as making a corridor in his tender (I've already dremeled out the coal load and intend on adding one) other things that could to be done to make him run/look better would also help (not counting DCC or weathering I was already intending on doing that.)

Cheers, 

Patrick