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2 hours ago, Nearholmer said:
Compound - good photo! Never seen that one before.
Mid you, GDR's description of it as a "terrier welded to a coach" both insults Terriers (badly) and overestimates the power of technology, in that welding to timber isn't really something you'd want to try, unless attempting to start a bonfire.
Ok my apology for "welded" remark. But any other ideas of an autotrain welcome.
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I'm 0-0 looking for ideas on any autotrain/pull/push/pull other than that GWR thing that everyone sells.
Modelling a 30s independent line who'd buy anything from anyone, so pics of weird things appreciated!
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The very pic I failed to send!! That'll be from the Fratton end (or nearest scrapyard?).
Moved to Pompey a while back and thought it might be a good BLT to model, as in "what COULD it have been". Then saw the size of the NotreDame-style church involved in the background, although there's possibly a bloke somewhere in PO5 been making it in matchsticks for the last 30 yrs?
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1 hour ago, Compound2632 said:
Here's the mortal remains. Nice view of a couple of Open As, along with one, probably two, Midland 8 ton 5-plank opens, diagram D299.
There's a book: K. Robertson, The Southsea Railway (Kingfisher Railway Productions, 1985). There are some very reasonably-priced second-hand copies around. I would imagine that has pretty much every pre-grouping era photo going.
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East Southsea branch, Fratton to the seaside. A disaster-line (as in "Why did we ever think this'd be a good idea?") but they did come up with a Terrier welded onto a coach. Hoping the pic loads (iffy laptop) but if not has anyone got any other pics?
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Having measured up, bought baseboard, track & more, then finding landlord is selling the flat. Grrrr bloody grrr.
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On 19/04/2018 at 13:14, Steamport Southport said:
War weekends and Sixties weekends are very popular on heritage railways. How about model railway exhibitions with similar themes?
Themed layouts with appropriate music, maybe a band and people dressing up. That way people know what they are getting. It might even attract a few that wouldn't normally attend a model railway exhibition.
Jason
Noooo.. You're in the land of fantasy here Jones.
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On 25/08/2018 at 14:51, cypherman said:
Hi all,
I would at least do something with that awful valvegear. I do like the idea of adding a small coal truck for use as a tender. You could also remove the steam chests and valve gear, add skirts and make it a tram engine.
I have read that they managed with a sack/bucket of coal in the cab when just working in a yard.
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On 13/12/2018 at 09:20, The Johnster said:
Poor Old Bruce is right, piece of string.
A typical goods yard consisted of two roads, one of which served a goods facility of some sort, (shed, provender store, loading platform). The other, set 18 feet away because that was the turning circle of a horse drawn cart, is for the coal staithes/drops and 'mileage'. Now, we get in to how goods traffic was dealt with according to the rates paid. The basic service is 'mileage', the charge for which is set by government and not the railway. The customer is charged per mile and loads or unloads the van or wagon himself, or provides staff to do so, on to his own lorry or van direct off the railway vehicle. Next stage up and a bit more expensive is To Be Called For, TBCF, what it says on the label. Railway staff unload the wagon and the customer turns up to pick the stuff up. Then you can pay a higher rate for delivery, which means that the railway unloads the goods and delivers it wherever you want in ta railway lorry or van.
Extra charges, which the railway would be keen to promote, were brought in to play for traffic needing specific vehicles, such as shocvans or lowfits, and in addition to this there would be container traffic. It is not impossible for containers on conflats to be used as ordinary vans if nothing else is handy and they can be spared. In the case of a BLT, nearly all traffic is incoming, with any outgoing originating from a specific local industry if there is one; a creamery or dairy is typical, and will have it's own siding.
Mineral traffic connected with a mine or quarry also has it's own sidings, and usually runs in block trains rather than being included in the pickup.
In modelling terms, this means that the pick should consist mostly of 5 plank opens and 12 ton vans, to be shunted into the shed or mileage road as the operator sees fit, and nearly always a raft of loaded coal for the staithes, Opens should have loads or at least tarpaulins pretending to cover loads on the inward run, and be empty when they leave except for the tarp folded up in the bottom, and the same goes for coal. Some vehicles have been collected on the way up the branch by the pickup or are to be delivered on the way back because of the way that siding faces, so a portion of the train simply arrives behind the loco, is not shunted to anywhere on the layout, and then departs along with the wagons collected at the terminus.
Livestock, if your layout has facilities, usually comes in special trains but the odd cattle wagon may be a part of the pickup. Note that I said 'mostly' 5 plankers and 12ton vans for the pickup; the odd lowfit with a tractor or bogie bolster with pipes for a drainage job up the road is acceptable, so long as it doesn't dominate the daily operation. For a 1950s layout I'd suggest about half of your general merchandise traffic in opens and half in vans, but vans tended to dominate as time progressed, and the figure should perhaps be a third and two thirds respectively for the 60s.
All useful stuff ^^^^ but [equine digression - I've posted re this before but can't find it!] I spent an age looking up "turning circle of horse n cart" then went to a Heavy Horse show and realised the CAN reverse. A kind of 3point turn. Lots of human shouting and a p'd of horse but it does work.
What I have seen on one layout was a yard accessed from an overbridge involving a 1 in 5 gradient. This Dobbin cannot do.
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On 18/12/2012 at 14:34, mikeg said:
I have used some 3mm thick adveryising board that I was give by a bank manager that has printed sealed surfaces and if you can get some of this I think it will last quite a long time. My use was for scenic areas that were not loadbearing but had a good weight of latice structure and plaster bandage, after about ten years there is still no sag and and the base size was 600x400 and has no supports other than being stapled round the edge to the bottom of the ply baseboard frame.
Another type of advertising sign is the corex plastic that comes in 5mm thick and 10mm that is fairly ridgid but I have only seen it used for backscenes as it is light and paper can be stuct to it with any liquid solvent or simalar glues, but I think it could be used for the framework of a baseboard as the 10mm on edge, ie the core vertical and say 100mm deep would be very strong and it can be screwed together by inserting timber in the core.
And the advantage of both is that you can find it in a lot of shops and once the promotion is over they through it in the skip, just ask the manager and they will usually give it to you.
hope this give you some extra ideas for modelling on a small budget, I thought the £100 layout superb but if starting from scratch it would be a lot more than £100, about £175-200 I would think but still within a lot of peoples budgets I would think.
regards
mike g
Corrox [aka estate agent signs] is easy to collect, cuts & glues well. V.handy for scenics.
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On 12/10/2018 at 17:13, rovex said:
Never mind all the issues regarding leaks etc.
When you see models and water in films, assuming its not all computer generated, the film is invariably slowed down to make it more realistic
Edit. Actually I think it's shot faster and then the resulting film slowed down.
Yes. That's how they launched Thunderbird 4.
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On 17/10/2020 at 17:54, doilum said:
Ferrero Rocher. The usual size make great drawers for sorting out your store of components and spares. The large flat presentation boxes are ideal for dismantling a loco in order to avoid losing tiny springs, screws and washers. This also helps if you need to clear the work bench quickly for another task, like feeding the child.
Expensive? Look in the £shop just after Christmas!
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Airfix military figures are easily scalpel'd to reshape caps, remove rucksacks etc. Limbs can be manipulated into pose with a hot nail and tweezers. All you need is something to drop the nail onto while you grab the tweezers. Oh and some Elastoplast.
WWI Brit infantry good for guard/s'master. US Civil War Union/Jap WW2 infantry for loco crew.
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Old style correction tape (Tippex I think make a modern version). Write with a needle.
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On 03/07/2020 at 10:10, PhilJ W said:
This has been stolen from another forum.
IDIOT SIGHTING No.1
My daughter and I went to the McDonald's checkout to pay our bill and I gave the clerk a £5 note. Our total bill was £4.20, so I also handed her a 20 pence piece.
She said, 'You gave me too much money.'
I said, 'Yes I know, but this way you can just give me £1 back.'
She sighed and went to get the Manager who asked me to repeat my request.
I did so, and he handed me back the 20 pence and said 'We're sorry but we do not do that kind of thing.'
The clerk then proceeded to give me back 80 pence in change.
Do not confuse the clerks at MacDonald's in St Albans , Hertfordshire.!!
IDIOT SIGHTING No2
We had to have the garage door repaired. The repairman told us that one of our problems was that we did not have a 'large' enough motor on the opener.I thought for a moment, and said that we had the largest one (Company name deleted) made at that time, a 1/2 horsepower.
He shook his head and said, 'Lady, you need a 1/4 horsepower.'
I responded that 1/2 was larger than 1/4 and he said, 'NOOO, it's not. Four is larger than two.'
We haven't used (Company name deleted) repair since.
Happened in Moor Park, near Watford .
IDIOT SIGHTING No3
I live in a semi-rural area. We recently had a new neighbour call the Highways Department to request the removal of the 'DEER CROSSING' sign from our road.The reason: 'Too many deer are being hit by cars on this stretch of road! I don't think this is a good place for them to be crossing, anymore.'
Story from Potters Bar, Hertfordshire.
IDIOT SIGHTING No 4
My daughter went to a local Kentucky Fried Chicken and ordered a Taco. She asked the person behind the counter for 'minimal lettuce.' He said he was sorry, but they only had Iceberg Lettuce.
From South Oxhey , Hertfordshire.
IDIOT SIGHTING No 5I was at the airport, checking in at the gate when an airport employee asked, 'Has anyone put anything in your baggage without your knowledge?'
To which I replied, 'If it was without my knowledge, how would I know?'
He smiled knowingly and nodded, 'That's why we ask.'
Happened at Luton Airport
IDIOT SIGHTING No 6
The traffic light on the corner buzzes when the lights turn red and it is safe to cross the road. I was crossing with an intellectually challenged friend of mine.She asked if I knew what the buzzer was for. I explained that it signals blind people when the light is red.
Appalled, she responded, 'What on earth are blind people doing driving?!'
She is a Local County Council employee in St Albans ,
Hertfordshire. (And she's NOT blonde)
IDIOT SIGHTING No7
When my husband and I arrived at our local Ford dealer to pick up our car, we were told the keys had been locked in it. We went to the Service Department and found a mechanic working feverishly to unlock the Driver's door. As I watched from the passenger side, I instinctively tried the door-handle and discovered that it was unlocked. 'Hey,' I announced to the Fitter/Mechanic, 'it's open!'
His reply: 'I know. I already did that side.'
This was at the Ford dealership in St Albans , Hertfordshire.
Stay alert .... they walk among us - and they breed!
Enjoy!!
More alarming - they can vote !!! (well, yeah, already have done).
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Great stuff all! Wonder if there are brewery/garage fanatics' sites that get side-tracked into train talk? A learning curve here & no mistake, with bonus that I learn loads about railways too!
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10 hours ago, PatB said:
I've definitely seen photos of drays with barrels horizontal. Or, rather, propped up on the raised edge of the wagon so that two barrels abreast form a shallow V. Maybe it was a regional or individual brewery thing.
Possibly to do with size of barrel. I can(could!!) lift a 9 gallon & place on top of another, but the things that Nearholmer pictured could only be rolled (unless it's pics of empties!). Would hate to be a drayman back then.
Er..Hogsheads? Firkins? Tuns? Should know all this!
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23 hours ago, steve W said:
Going off course slightly, I was with friends in Spain a few years ago when we ran out of petrol. A nearby filling station sold us a disposable 'can' for about 3 litres . Simply a strong plastic bag with a screw cap and spout rather like a wine in a box bag. A result.
A Fistful Of Travellers Cheques ??? Had a bit of similar in Germany when young. 3 of us pushing car up a hill to some bloke's place where he poured us petrol out of a (yep!) Jerrycan. Yes, why didn't we walk it up there and walk back with the can. Maybe his revenge for Hamburg. Dunno.
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43 minutes ago, Nearholmer said:
The railways seem to have done it differently. Here is the relevant page from the GWR document - they clearly shared pictures with the experts serving Burton on Trent, the MR.
Lordy so they did!! Thanks. God knows what those barrels must've held. I love to stand corrected!
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On 30/06/2020 at 16:53, Nearholmer said:
The GWR General Appendix of 1936 makes mention of cans (these would be the standard two gallon ones), steel drums, and casks (which i take to be wooden) for less than tank-wagon sized consignments of petrol and other mineral oils. The instructions require that casks and barrels of petrol and oil be "loaded as for beer", which means loaded horizontally in open wagons. Some of the detail is about making sure that they didn't cause taint to other goods, by ensuring that sensitive things aren't loaded into wagons stained by oil leakage.
Steel drums were quite unusual pre-WW2, and the wooden casks seem to have been associated with the Scottish Shale Oil industry (in huge numbers!), so my money would be on two gallon cans, forwarded from the nearest location where tank wagons were unloaded if the local consumption was small. If consumption was large, then a tank wagon, syphoned into two gallon cans, but it might have come in steel drums, which can easily be pumped-out using a hand-pump that fits into the hole at the end, or put on a stand and run-off through a tap.
Reminds me of working part-time in a petrol station in the 1970s: there were still a few old guys living in isolated farms who would come in once a week to get petrol, one in particular who had a truly ancient van. He would get out, rub his chin thoughtfully, consider the whole matter for many seconds and then say, very slowly "I think I'll have a gallon boy.". How he eked-out the gallon I could never understand, but he did, always one gallon each week!
re "Loaded as for beer".. I've had the ill luck to work in the pub trade for a while and barrels (kegs now) are/were kept upright in transit, max stacking 2. When the boozers reopen look at the dray when it comes, ditto the old pictures of horse drawn drays round the walls.
I've got a (offstage) small brewery on the layout. Just an excuse to have a bit of extra goods yard traffic. Looked at the ins n outs elsewhere on here & found that beer barrels often went in vent-vans or even old cattle wagons. Seemed a good idea as I don't then have to swap full>empty open wagons each cycle of working, if that makes sense.
Ps- Loved your "Have a gallon" man. Same in the pubs. "Ooooo I thinkk I'll have a.. no,just a minute,what's that new one?Nooo I'll have a half of [beer he's been drinking for 80yrs]. Oh, then complain about it. :o)
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Modelling a 30s BLT. Small town/large village, middle of nowhere up north. I'm wondering how petrol would have been brought in. Research so far tells me that the place is too small to justify a garage with new fangled pumps. Probably only 4-5 car owners in the whole place plus maybe a couple of lorry owners. I've read that petrol was commonly sold at hardware shops (&chemists!) in 2 gallon cans. So....
i) does the above sound about right? If so..
ii) how was said petrol delivered to the goods yard? Already in cans on wagon?
iii) what regs about where in a stopping goods said wagon would be marshalled?
All info welcome!
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On 27/06/2020 at 17:34, Hroth said:
All I have to say about Welsh cultural appropriation
Rygbi
Snewcer
Mind you, many years ago my father was putting some petrol in the car at a garage in mid-Wales (Summer hols, thirsty car) and you could hear the welsh mechanics talking about a problem vehicle in the workshop. Lots of welsh with pure english technical terms!
Camper van holiday - went into a butchers in a place called Lladdyrwddblblbl or similar. Prize Welsh Lamb certificates all over the place. "Pound of diced lamb please". "Yes, what are you doing with it?" "We're making a curry". Butcher goes out back. Loud rant to someone else in Welsh but including "..f**kin curry".
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Excellent song! Knew a sheepdog (re-homed) who'd been sacked. Got the sheep into the pen ok every time but followed them in & stood in the middle grinning. Having a laugh with his wooly mates.
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Who makes the best 0-0 animals? I'm after:
-Cat at rest
-Dog ditto*
-Sheep (suitable for cattle dock tenants)
They all look great in the pics online but which products disappoint/amaze when received?
*Once saw an ad for "risque" figures in the back of a mag. Any ideas? I'd love a cameo of dog licking the bits that dogs do while observed by distainful cat atop wall.
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(7 yrs pass....) Isopropanol/IPA is excellent, also good for guitar strings btw. And now we've all got access to disposable gloves no more finger-freeze! However you can use this stuff for solder burns or scalpel nicks.