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Thanks, Tony and Darryl, I knew this would be the thread to post  the question on!  The A2/1 roof being the same as the V2 is just what I needed to know.  Some excellent models there!

The lubricators on my Nu-cast model are in line on the right hand side, but that is how Nu-cast moulded the holes for them!!

I can now press on, having got back into this one after a long time.

Got the Hornby A2/2 and A2/3 models which you mentioned, which I think are very good. (Plus the usual A3s A4s etc.) and a early  Bachmann V2 I'll measure the roof from, and a Jameson V2 I built in er, 1978...

This one kept getting put back in the box because of it being 2 steps forward one back all the time (or seemed like the other way round!) For example  I had great difficulty in getting the smokebox castings round, so made a smokebox out of brass tube which was nearly the right diameter...etc etc. 

Thanks again.

Thanks for that, looks same roof design as V2.

Thanks for info, Tony.  This kit has been going on for a very long time....

While it came with parts for the 6 wheel tender, I'm doing it in later condition (with lipped chimney) and I have a current Hornby 8 wheel tender chassis, plus a number of  8 wheel tender bodies to choose from...60507 had a tender from an A4 but the others were new ones (according to the RCTS book) so a bit more research there...snap headed rivets?

I do think I've got the right number of lubricators on it though!

 **Just noticed you'd already mentioned the streamlined non-corridor tender for 60507!  And thanks for the other detail differences between the 4 locos.

Bit of advice requested. I've recently dug out a partly finished Nu-Cast kit of an A2/1.  When (if?) this is finished I'll have every type of LNER  pacific available for the layout.  My problem is the cab roof has disappeared.  Now as the A2/1 was a sort of lengthened pacific version of  the V2, the cab is the same (according to the RCTS 2A book).  I can use one of my V2s to trace a template from the roof to make a new roof for the A2/1 etc.  However, I can't find any photos  of an A2/1 looking down and showing the top of the roof.  Normal lineside pics don't show this.  And I haven't got any drawings (have for the other classes).

So my query is, does the A2/1 roof have the same ventilator layout as the V2, is it completely the same? 

I used to go the Alexandra Palace exhibitions, both model railway and model engineering (now gone)  regularly pre Covid.  I'm now going back to a few exhibitions again. I can get to AP both by car or public transport because of its location.  When I went on my own I used both ways at different times (might depend on how much I thought I might buy there!).  It's usually quicker by car (I would still have to drive to local station to get train to London, now £7 a day to park).  When my wife accompanied me to the AP railway one,  a show she really liked, it was cheaper by car for the 2 of us, AP having free parking.  OK, a 46 mile journey according to Google maps,  92 miles so say 1 1/2 gallons of diesel for my elderly small hatchback. At present diesel around £7 a gallon so that's £10.50.  Call it £12.  That would be my marginal cost to get there by car. 

A one day travel card is now around £20 so for 2 people that's around £40 (with railcards).  And it takes longer. 

A further hassle is that one day travel cards are likely to be withdrawn next year, making public travel in London more complex (we have got Oyster cards).

Another point is that driving a 15 year old diesel car, despite doing 64 mpg (measured over a year) is that I would now have to pay ULEZ charges to get to Ally Pally.  My friend with a petrol SUV doing 33 mpg isn't affected buy ULEZ.... although his car produces nearly twice the Co2.

I used to go to some small and medium exhibitions within say a 30-40 mile radius that I couldn't have reached by public transport so had to drive.  Most of those have gone and not returned post-covid. 

I do use the local bus when I can, plus the train being an enthusast for them, but local bus routes are being increasingly cut back.

This was on BBC 4 on Tues 10 Oct at 9pm.  Looks like it was made in 2014. It covers the BR Modernisation Plan and some of its results. Lots of clips from British Transport Films, Blue Pullman, prototype HST and APT, production APT,  50s/60s steam and so on. 

Also some interviews with people involved in developing the APT (recruited from the motor and aviation industries) and the HST (experienced railway engineers)  and a journalist who had to experience the APTs initial passenger runs, which did not last long of course. The HST on the other hand was rather more sucessful....  

Whether you think the Modernisation Plan really did lead to a golden age or if it was a excuse by road lobby pressured Governments to shut down a third of the railway network, there's some interesting train footage here! 

Inside K166. Ply bulkheads and hardwood beams to strengthen the hull. The hull comes in 4 pieces and the seams are reinforced with epoxy resin inside.  MFA 385 motor (others have used a bigger motor but this has more than enough power for a scale-looking speed).  Standard 7.2 volt battery pack which I just happened to have but hull has plenty of room for say a lead acid battery and needs ballast anyway.  The steel decks were sprayed with Peugeot steel grey (Halfords), the camo colours are airbrushed Revell acrylic (with matt varnish over them which has lasted well) and the wooden decks are planked with very thin wooden strip I got from a dolls house shop (run by a lady who has a unit in a local craft centre).

Lots of other fittings painted and kept in plastic bags but there is a danger of them falling  off while transporting/operating the ship so for the moment...

On 11/09/2023 at 23:22, johnofwessex said:

I would have thought that there was market for a 'stand off scale' ready to run Radio Control boats other than speedboats, the Flower class Corvette or perhaps a Clyde Puffer being the obvious choices

Indeed there have been some, found a Howes catalogue which is about 2015 which has some Graupner RTR models including a 1:48th Corvette. Not exactly cheap, these are "ring for price" but Graupner did a square rigged R/C sail training ship that was around £1000 I think.  there are some much cheaper but more "toy like" models around. Pre-covid there were more.

At one point there was a range of R-T-R  R/C models of fishing boats etc that seemed to be based on Billings kits designs (nothing to do with Billings though) but they've come and gone. Still plenty of kits around from Deans Marine etc.

Again from old Howes catalogue, Revell did the corvette with better detail.  There's also a 1:144th scale kit, which could be a better proposition if not wanting a possible working model.

36 minutes ago, JZ said:

Years ago, I built a 1:72 Heller Gloster Gladiator in Finnish winter camo, I fully rigged that using cotton, but it didn't half attract dust. I have, in the to do pile, A Heller DH 89 Dragon Rapid. I made a start by painting it in a fictional airline livery, with the notion of filling a corner of a layout with a corner of an airfield. Just looked at it now, with a view to finally getting it finished. For rigging on this, I will use fine nylon line.

Ah, dust!  The idea of just a corner of an airfield (which could also be an aircraft museum ) is great, only needs a bit of grass and a fence and no other detail! Then easy to change  aircraft around.  I've been using EZ-line (this all started during lockdown) which is fine with longer lengths like Shacketon aerials  but a real fiddle with 1:72nd Tiger Moth rigging.

11 hours ago, PhilH said:

Here's a question for the plastic kit modellers amongst us. There seems to be a huge amount of interior detail featured on most modern kits especially in the larger scales. Sadly a large percentage of it will not  be seen again as the kit progresses. My question is a)do you include it and b) if you do include it do you bother painting it with all the detail it deserves?

A while back I was building a 1:48th Bristol Fighter which had a very  detailed instrument panel. When on a visit to Duxford, one of the guides there very kindly let me go right up to the one they've got there to take pictures.  You can't see into the cockpit from the ground (which is perhaps a clue) so I held my compact camera above me at arm's length to take pics of the cockpit(s).  

After a long modelling time painting wood effect on the instrument panel, detailing instruments, "glazing" them, adding various details like throttle, rudder bar, etc. etc. I found having fitted them in the fuselage and joined it up  that I couldn't see  any of this. The panel is set low and forward ahead of the pilot in the Bristol,  holding my camera almost in the cockpit of the full size was fine but it wasn't possible to get that angle with  the model.

So now unless you can see it I wouldn't put it in (also some of my builds are old kits that didn't have much interior detail anyway, such as Airfix DH88), so it's more a question of what to make and add rather than leave out.

I saw at an exhibition a very nice airliner model that was clear on one side   to reveal the fully fitted interior, rather like the large aircraft models that travel agents used to have in their windows years ago.

As an aside, anyone who makes biplanes, do you always rig them, and what scale becomes too small to do this?

3 hours ago, JZ said:

Yes, I  used it for years, it is also the colour for RGS & D&RGW red before they went to Pullman green (Land Rover Coniston Green). Unfortunately Halford have discontinued Damask Red.

Halfords Vauxhall Burgundy Red is also a good match for BR maroon, did get a new can several years ago so it might still be available. (Halfords will mix up a particular paint colour at a price).

Recently on another thread here I was advised to use Halfords Volkswagen Mars red (I actually wanted a DSB red for a Danish loco, which is a  mid red).  Mars red is very close to Tamiya XF-7 red imho which is a paint colour  I use a lot so useful for all sorts of things (civil Tiger Moth wings etc. perhaps, also buffer beams...).

Well, answer is "other" mainly, I'm just in-filling different groups of stock now. Space (and running it all) is the problem.  I'm concerned that I've found locos that I didn't know I had and can't find locos I think I've got...so more sidings could be the answer - or not buying too much new stuff!  For instance, an LSWR cross country set would be just great, but then there's all those Maunsell  coaches I've already got.

This issue applies to second hand stuff as well, if something you want is up for sale how much do you bid or pay?

Martin Lewis the money guru has a mantra,

If you're skint,

Do I need it?

Can I afford it?

Have I checked prices elsewhere?

If not, don't buy it.

If you're not skint,

Will I use it?

Is it worth it?

Have I checked prices elsewhere?

If not, don't buy it.

But...if a T3 came along, or indeed a T3,  (see what I did there) out would come the credit card.  And that's the truth.

Bill

Before they go... I managed to travel on an XC back in March from Exeter to Plymouth. Certainly a comfortable train to travel on as a passenger.  Here it  is at Plymouth. (13/3/23).

This looks like one of the final runs for the XCs.  Sort of farewell party.

https://www.modernrailways.com/railtour

Just spotted this, apart from the castle and stations with the ever popular hats and raincoats being worn, the docks were interesting with paddle steamer and steam tugs, plus the "clean modern" coal mine.  The end with the great Richard Dimbleby flying off in a DH Dove of Cambrian Airways was another good bit.  Both new and old are long gone.

Thanks for posting about this, it was an interesting bit of history.

As an aside to this, when Scotrail HSTs were going to be left in a terminus platform for some time before working their next train,  one power car was shut down and the other left running. Noticed this several times - could Brinkly or others say if it's necessary to leave one engine running  (perhaps it keeps a/c or heating going?) with all HSTs or is it just a Scotrai! thing?

Just come across this very interesting thread. 

This is a Scotrail HST at Perth on 10/6/23, taken recently while I was using a 4 day "Spirit of Scotland" rover ticket.  A lot of miles for your money.  A major purpose of the trip was to travel on HSTs while they are still running, although I hope from both a "railfan" and passenger point of view that they do continue to at least 2030.

From a passenger perspective, (regardless of how difficult it may be to operated stock that is getting pretty vintage, although having had various mods over the years), the great advantage is it's comfortable, quiet, lots of luggage space and imho has best seats in current trains. You are in a hauled coach, not sitting over a diesel engine.   Azuma seats make you feel like you are sitting on an ironing board by comparison. :-)

On some routes, such as Perth-Inverness, a lot of cyclists used the train, and were able to store their bikes ok, but that wouldn't be at all easy with say an Azuma or equivalent, or indeed 170. So HSTs good for tourist areas of Scotland, the railways seemed well used there. 

We had some good chats with Scotrail staff who were all very friendly and helpful.

So- I hope Scotrail can keep these running at least until the end of the contract, I'd like to have another trip!

Also just found this thread, and like Peter I've got a Panasonic compact camera, a TZ80 which is almost the same - good zoom range and excellent for 4K videos. I've also got a Panasonic bridge camera, a FZ200 and the results are indistinguishable between the two. But the TZ goes in your pocket and is ready for that rare train you see coming...

Better results than my clunky old Nikon dslr really.

2 hours ago, GoingUnderground said:

IMHO, you've misunderstood repairable.

 

It is the absence of large permanently assembled expensive sub-assemblies that makes it repairable. The whole thing is easy to take apart into its individual parts or sub-assemblies and then reassemble without any expensive dedicated or unique tools. All the parts were available as low price spare parts from Triang.

 

If something broke or wore out you ordered the spare and replaced the worn or broken part yourself.

 

Fir instance, take the carbon brushes, X67. They're standard components used across all the motor bogies and X.04 motor. If those wore out you replaced them yourself as they are only held in with a spring and easy to remove and put back with your fingers. Fiddly, but very doable on a kitchen table without any tools. Compare that to a modern can motor, where you can't take it apart because it's not designed to be taken apart. Even if you did get into it, and probably had to break the fixings to get in, none of the parts in it are available as spares. Hence your only option if the brushes wear out is to replace the entire motor, always assuming that the motor is available as a spare.

But the list of parts shows all the components that made up the motor bogie each with its own reference so they must have been available from triang at least to a dealer who could carry out repairs. If an armature had  a broken wire, let's say, a replacement one was available - so the item could be repaired rather than needing to be replaced.

Also that mechanism had quite a good sales life then.

Hey, look what I found tucked away!  Power bogie still going strong in 1968 apparently. And yes the lead from the pick ups does go on the insulated sleeve on the right hand side of the brush spring looking forwards...

It has more parts than I'd expected, from an era when things were expected to be repairable...

Interesting topic about standards being originally set for 2 rail model railways.

Back to my double cab TC diesel...Well I just swapped the insulating sleeve over to the other arm of the brush tensioning spring and moved the wire from the pickups over to that side. The bogie now runs in the same direction as every other loco... also since I'd unscrewed bogie from the body I oiled the motor bearings and gears, runs a little smoother than before. Having put the loco back together, it looked quite impressive running round the layout, but it does need to run fast to avoid stalling. 

I can only find the trailer on youtube but the opening title sequence has a very good "steam train leaving the terminus" shot which has stuck in my mind. The rest of the trailer just goes through most of the plot, really. 

Fonda and Redgrave were good and Meryl Streep's first film.  There was later some controversy about it because the original story by Lillian Hellman was claimed to be a true story but that was shown to be not totally the case.

And this one

Murder on the Orient Express - train departs.  This is the 1974 film with Albert Finney as Poirot - and great  cast.  Better than later ones imho. 

Well, it was a sunny day for photos...   collectable, vintage and Triang.

Lower left, original Triang Minic ships, cruiser HMS Superb, frigates are Torquay and Vigilant, minesweepers are 2x Repton and 2x Picton. In front of those, tug Turmoil, 2 harbour tugs, Isle of Sark (Channel Islands ferry) and Verne lightship.

Battleship Vanguard and carrier Bulwark are second series Hong Kong made.  At the top back, the carded ones are lightships and pilot boats, plus customs and rescue launches  from the revived Triang range that Oxford sold.

The original liners would probably be the best to have, I've got several of the second series ones. I had an original SS Nieuw Amsterdam liner which disintegrated in a very bad case of mazak rot, but the rest have survived ok.

Well, here's my "running backwards" motor bogie. The insulated wheels are to the right and the brown lead from their pickups  goes to the left hand, (looking forwards), brush with the insulated sleeve.

Not sure about the red wires, they go to lights but the soldering looks more of an afterthought.