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    Early Risers.

    in Wheeltappers

    Posted

    Morning all,

     

    The current view from the 'office' window is not looking promising for unbroken working in the garden today.

     

     

    Not to worry as there's other entertainment inside the house with a new addition to the 4630 family allocation.  Buttons arrived yesterday and is now the centre of Mrs 4630's affection.  A position that, until now, was permanently mine.  Somehow I thinking buying flowers for Mrs 4630 today would be a wasted effort, such is the attraction of a small bundle of feline fur!

     

     

    Have a good day one and all.

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    Lines in the Landscape

    in Photography

    Posted · Edited by 4630

    66713 lost amongst the big scenery along the Settle - Carlisle line approaching Dent station on 1st July 2005. 

     

     

    Green 3 Cig 1498 amongst the gorse and heather of the New Forest approaching the former Lymington Junction on 31st July 2005.

     

     

    Edited to add second photo.

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    Metropolitan Bo-Bo EP sample

    in Heljan

    Posted

    Sarah Siddons did a number of railtours on the SR.  Can't find any photos though.

     

    Here are a few shots of L12 with an NSE VEP.

     

    http://www.networksoutheast.net/other-photos.html

     

    Sarah Siddons was used on at least a couple of occasions;

     

    10th December 1989:   Staines - Windsor & Eton Riverside in connection with a NSE Gala Day.

     

    21st September 1985:  London Victoria - Folkestone West.   Dover Western Docks - Clapham Junction via London Bridge.  A couple of photos from that rail tour here;

     

    http://www.sixbellsjunction.co.uk/80s/850921lt.htm

    4 SUB Unit 4377, Bulleid 2 HAP upgrade - plus all matters third rail.

    in Kitbuilding & Scratchbuilding

    Posted

    Re. transfers, It seems certain that at around the beginning of the 70's the TSO was 'non-smoking' so that is easy. The tricky bit is that the pseudo composite would have been non-smoking to a great extent: Judging by comments in 'The 4 SUB Story' (Brown/Rayner 1983) that the 10-compartment trailers had two 'smoking' compartments, it would seem that the 9-compartment pseudo composite might have also had two compartments designated for smokers - or was it just the one?!

     

    The only good colour photo which sheds any light on this is of a 'standard SUB in green livery in 1967. While it doesn't show the whole of both trailer coaches, there is enough to deduce that the smoking compartments were next to the motor coach end. Hmm. Decisions, decisions.

     

     

    Hi Colin,

     

    My copy of the Appendix to Carriage Working Notices is dated 1974 which I know is just a little later than your period for 4377, but I've scanned it in case it helps inform your decision making. 

     

     

    BR(S) Appendix to Carriage Working Notices, 6th May 1974

     

     

    Absolutely amazing work Colin, which is nothing less than inspirational.

    Lymington Branch

    in UK Prototype Questions

    Posted

    All the 456's are going over to SWT, many already off the Southern with the new 477's being put to use, soi maybe they might use a 456 on the branch in the future.

     

    It's an interesting suggestion and one that seems to have been picked up by Porterbrook (who own the 456s) as they make reference to their possible future use on lightly used SWT services in their brochure.  See;

     

    http://www.porterbrook.com/downloads/brochures/456%20Brochure.pdf

     

    The one possible issue is that the 'well heeled' of Lymington and Brockenhurst would have to do without first class as the 456s will be standard class only when they're refurbished for SWT.

    Lymington Branch

    in UK Prototype Questions

    Posted · Edited by 4630

    I wonder how this line has survived as every time I use the ferry to Yarmouth the train when it arrives does not have many passengers on board.Maybe they get off at the Town station as the amount of foot passengers on the ferry does not seem high,hopefully the line will continue in the future.

     

    Annual passenger usage statistics for recent years are here;

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lymington_Town_railway_station

     

    I hesitate to use Wikipedia but the statistics originate from an official source so should be reliable enough.  Well as reliable as any statistics are ! 

     

    In my experience of living locally the service is well supported albeit with a significant increase during the summer months.  From an accounting point of view though I would doubt if the line more than barely covers its direct running costs.

     

     

     

    Edited for typo.

    Lymington Branch

    in UK Prototype Questions

    Posted

     

    The branch was normally worked by a 2Hap unit once an hour which was more than adequate for the traffic offering at most times.  On summer Saturdays an 8Cig formation worked for some years as a up Lymington Pier - Waterloo train mostly for holiday traffic coming off the Isle of Wight ferry.  The extra load on the power supply meant this train could only timetabled when nothing else should have been drawing current near Brockenhurst otherwise it would have difficulty starting.  I believe it was also limited to series operation on the branch.  There was no down through train - the stock worked down empties from Eastleigh.

     

     

    Just to add a correction here and to also provide a little additional detail. there has been a regular timetabled down through services from Waterloo to Lymington on Summer Saturdays.

     

    My copies of the Working Timetable for 1977/78 and 1980/81 show this as a 10:00 departure from Waterloo with reporting number of 1B93 and headcode 97.  Arrival at Lymington Pier was scheduled for 11:53.  This working also effectively covered the normal hourly service from Brockenhurst as departure from there was timed at 11:41.  My copy of the Carriage Working Notice shows that the 4 Vep diagrammed for the full Saturday on the branch was berthed in the siding at Brockenhurst, while the service from Waterloo was on the branch, until the next scheduled departure.  At that time there was an electrified siding at Brockenhurst on the down side adjacent to platform 4.

     

     

     

    Following the withdrawal of Hap units the branch went over to 4Vep operation and in more recent years has seen a half-hourly service.  It is just possible to achieve this with one unit.  Only one crew is required and apart from them sittlng idle at Brockenhurst for half of every hour on the previous service the significnat increase in use of the main line means there is no platform available for the unit to lay over.  

     

     

     

    There is an additional consideration here too concerning the track layout at Brockenhurst and the former Lymington Junction.

     

    Prior to 17th October 1978 the service from Lymington terminated at platform 1 at Brockenhurst, generally at xx:09 each hour as this provided a connection with the hourly XX:20 Up semi-fast service to Waterloo.

     

    Following departure of the Up semi-fast, the unit working the Lymington branch had to shunt from platform 1 to platform 4 to form the next xx:41 hourly departure to Lymington Pier.

     

    From 17th October 1978 the single reversible line adjacent to the down mainline was opened from the former Lymington Junction to Brockenhurst.  This allowed the Lymington service to operate direct to and from platform 4 and independent of the main line, avoiding the need to block the mainline with a regular shunt each hour.

     

    I hope the above helps.

    2 BIL to Blue BIL

    in Modifying & Detailing RTR stock

    Posted

    It looks like 4377 would have been re-painted before the 70's, so I might go for 4630 instead - unless a 70's picture of a 4 SUB (with a TC) still running in green turns up.I shall get around to starting a topic soon!All the best,ColinColin

    A very good choice of number Colin IMHO!

     

    It was the last unit I needed to 'clear' the Subs in the early 1970s when I collected numbers and as I always had a soft spot for the Subs it was a natural choice when selecting a name to use on this forum.

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