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As mentioned at last night’s Zoom meeting I’m working on a new print. This is a NER (ex S&D) Shildon or Bouch brake van, built from1860. The drawing was taken from an excellent book “North Eastern Railway Brake Vans” by Ian G Saddler. I decided to design/print in separate parts (the symmetrical sides, roof, buffer beams, end panels (not printed yet)), so it would be easier to fit round a brass floor and also aid painting, as can be seen in photo Im not neatest painter Ive got white over top windows. The cabin walls and other finishing parts will be made in plasticard. S Scale Society W irons, wheels and buffers will be fitted. The parts are blue tacked together for photo. I am now pondering on body colour, it needs to be early livery which could be dark brown, Indian red or red oxide depending on what you read.

Dont know if its on website but drawing reference 060 1866 ss527E. Yes its in CRA collection

If it helps estimation, the tender tank sides are 5' 6" wide

Regarding width of footplate. There is a 1866 GA drawing of original engines. I cannot see a specific dimension but it look like 4' 1 1/2" between frames and 2 x 1' 6 3/4" footplate (which appear flush with inside frame) = 7' 3" . The weight diagram for one of the later rebuilds states 7' 3". I assume those 4 wheel tenders were standard and there is a GA drawing showing width as 7' 3". I don't have a width dimension for rebuilt cabs but original side sheets were inset ~3 1/4" from footplate edge if that helps. Aidan

Neil, Thanks for the reply. Hopefully you can track original, you probably already checked with CRA its not part of their collection/property. The second wagon is probably not a container maybe a pantechnicon. I agree it could be R in the end curve above SPENCER. On the side the top line partially visible seems to end BROS. Aidan

Thanks for the information. I had assumed the partially visible “Brown” was part of the company name not the address. So the 3 lines of marking on end must be something like: SPENCER [BROS.]? [BROWNLOW ST(REET)]? LIVERPOOL On the sides (2 lines): SPENCER BROS LIVERPOOL You are correct my date was assumed from Mr Rush’s book. Aidan

Regarding the Liverpool connection, in “The Coniston Railway” (Andrews and Holme published by the Cumbrian Railways Association ) There is a photo of 2 containers belonging to what looks like “Spencer & Brown Liverpool”. Based on the loco hauling them, it must date after 1911 but probably before grouping.

Excellent, thanks for access to stl file, those are going to come in very useful for future projects. Out of interest is it easy for you to produce stl for a plain wheel without any crank for 5ft 6in wheel? Another future project.

Very nice etching of plates. You mentioned making them a finer tolerance than PPD recommended. If I am reading their recommendations correctly, it should be 0.18mm minimum. Do you know what you managed on the plates? Eg the width of the legs of the “L” for instance. On a similar subject do you know what minimum width of detail you could etch (not necessarily as a full half etch) to show an engraved line. As an example to produce a line to define “gaps” between leaf springs.

CKPR There are drawings of Penruddock station buildings in CRA journal Vol 6 Oct 97 p55. The roofline slopes down over end of building similar to Embleton. Just noticed Bassenthwaite has gable front.

For comparison this is Bassenthwaite station very similar, although a post office was added at the back later. This is one of many many half finished projects.

I have always liked this design with the arched tops, but like you, I’ve have always puzzled over this drawing. It does appear that the top bead layer and the bottom are a complete panel with the waist panels inset. I always assumed the normal beading patterns were necessary to cover gaps of smaller individual panels. Did mid-Victorians have technology to laminate large panels? The wider angled gap around lower door coincides with where panel (tumblehome?) curves. If the bottom panel was thicker (eg stuck out further) would you need a bigger gap to open/close door? Sorry not much help but I’m equally confused. Aidan

Well done Im impressed. It's my masterplan to get rich building a WCER loco kit in S scale😜. Actually, its a nice subject with a little license you could have many variations of original with and without outside frames plus various cabs including an enclosed American style cab, then there are the Furness rebuilds. Unfortunately its on my ever increasing "to do list"

Thank Rob, I will give that a try I when I get back to some work in progress. Perhaps this one. Care to guess? Aidan

Its one of the things I haven't managed to do successfully in Freecad yet. No doubt there is a way.

Yes I put some 1mm thick brass floor in it adds weight and is good fixing for the W irons. Originally I had a 2 piece floor as I had a central beam as a precaution against solebars splaying. With new version I may cut the beam out (after printing) before fitting 1 piece floor.

Very nice Rob. What are you planning for roof? Every time I've tried to print a separate curved roof for wagons and FR 2-4-2T they warp (tending to turn inside out ) despite adding extra thickness and bracing. That is why I designed the LNWR van with integral roof and access from below. I spent a lot of time adding that compound chamfer on frame edges but it didn't show when printed , hopefully you will have better luck Aidan

Paul I made the bevel gearbox in nickel silver sheet building it up on N20 gearbox for "accuracy" . I had some motor and bevel gears lying around but as regularity says there are lots of different types of N20 now. There is a shorter version now which would have been ideal I could have fitted between drivers, but only available in 3v and 6v I believe.

Seeing your photos again is tempting me to print a new body ( later revision) in the green resin, the detail is so much improved.

These 3d prints were shown at the recent Zoom meeting, I thought others may be interested in what we are doing in S scale. The 2 wagons are my first printed in Elegoo water washable translucent green resin and I'm very pleased with results. On the left is a LNWR dumb buffered hopper wagon. On the right, a Furness Rly Gunpowder van. They are as printed, you can still see some supports left on wagon. They have been given a light spray of primer to show detail. After 9 versions, starting from new at least 3 times, I have at last produced a body for the FR 2-4-2T engine that I am satisfied with. The body fits Timbers etched chassis from his Sharp Stewart 2-4-0 tender design. it is fitted with Timbers resin wheel centres on S scale society tyres. It is fitted with N20 motor/gearbox (300rpm) driving through a 1:1 bevel gearbox. The brake van is LNWR D16, which if finished less couplings. It is fitted with society rocking W irons plus wheels and buffer shanks. I'm not happy with my diamond painting so I will repaint and possibly use 4mm HMRS transfers. Actually I might build another as new prototype information came to light after I finished. I have have updated the design accordingly.

As I told you I'm honoured that parts I designed and printed have passed the strictest quality control on this website😉. Aidan

No problem. Send me a personnel message with your address.

I don't know how desperate you are for a handwheel, however I have built a 3D printed D16 in S scale, I can resize and print you one next time I'm printing. Its a representation of the wheel rather than exact copy, you cannot really see it on my model its hidden in the dark, but It would be more prominent with your opening door.

The Furness Changed to blue/white c1896. Coaches had been brown I think, however according to "The Coniston Railway" (by Michael Andrews and Geoff Holme) panelled coaches had previously been Cream and crimson lake in 1870s

I forgot to mention I will probably make the step board from brass as attempts print it integral with body and separately produce some seriously deformed results